The Knicks Scenario

Post #61 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:14 pm

reload141 wrote:If the Knicks are holding out KP for a whole year not sure that’s really enticing for FA’s.

7”3 coming off an ACL with a decent injury history (72, 66, 48) I mean, I know ACL’s are a lot easier to come back from nowadays but still.... if I was FA I’d want to see that he’s recovered and playing again first.

Hint: its not. If FAs go to NY, its to be in NY— they couldnt give two **** about playing with KP relative to any other star.

Post #62 » by **Parliament10** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:15 pm

What's with this Enes Kanter deal?

Post #63 » by **djFan71** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:50 pm

Parliament10 wrote:What's with this Enes Kanter deal?

I don't get this one either. Kanter's expiring, Parker isn't worth his team option next year, so what's the point? If Kanter's all of a sudden persona non grata, buy him out after the deadline.

mbsnmisc · Post #64 » by **mbsnmisc** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:06 pm

Parliament10 wrote:What's with this Enes Kanter deal?

You know how these teams operate. A young guy, great pedigree, #2 pick, short money, they probably just want to see if the lights come on playing in NYC for a good coach. They don't care about winning, I think it is a smart move.

Post #65 » by **djFan71** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:20 pm

mbsnmisc wrote:
Parliament10 wrote:What's with this Enes Kanter deal?

You know how these teams operate. A young guy, great pedigree, #2 pick, short money, they probably just want to see if the lights come on playing in NYC for a good coach. They don't care about winning, I think it is a smart move.

Problem is, if the light does come on, then what? Can't imagine he comes close to making them pick up his option. So, best case you like him, decline the option and hope he comes back for less after you pursue other guys?

thelarrybirdx · Post #66 » by **thelarrybirdx** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:47 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:Kyrie kind of boxed himself in following his public comments. Leaving after saying that and filming commercials talking about retiring his number is absolutely a nightmare from a PR perspective.

Most players dont give a **** about how the media sees them or what fans think of them. Kyrie definitely doesnt seem like one to care.

Captain_Caveman · Post #67 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:54 pm

reload141 wrote:If the Knicks are holding out KP for a whole year not sure that’s really enticing for FA’s.

7”3 coming off an ACL with a decent injury history (72, 66, 48) I mean, I know ACL’s are a lot easier to come back from nowadays but still.... if I was FA I’d want to see that he’s recovered and playing again first.

Top 5 pick likely incoming, and quite possibly Durant. Porzingis not even the heart of it, IMO.

Captain_Caveman · Post #68 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:01 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
reload141 wrote:If the Knicks are holding out KP for a whole year not sure that’s really enticing for FA’s.

7”3 coming off an ACL with a decent injury history (72, 66, 48) I mean, I know ACL’s are a lot easier to come back from nowadays but still.... if I was FA I’d want to see that he’s recovered and playing again first.

Hint: its not. If FAs go to NY, its to be in NY— they couldnt give two **** about playing with KP relative to any other star.

We've seen stars try to team up on several occasions, and IMO, this scenario might be no different wrt to KD and Kyrie.

reload141 · Post #69 » by **reload141** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:04 pm

Captain_Caveman wrote:
reload141 wrote:If the Knicks are holding out KP for a whole year not sure that’s really enticing for FA’s.

7”3 coming off an ACL with a decent injury history (72, 66, 48) I mean, I know ACL’s are a lot easier to come back from nowadays but still.... if I was FA I’d want to see that he’s recovered and playing again first.

Top 5 pick likely incoming, and quite possibly Durant. Porzingis not even the heart of it, IMO.

Let’s just scurry their plans and do a S&T for Durant here instead.

Done and done. Haha

StojkoVrankovic · RIP texas celtic, 12/10/14 - 12/10/14

Give me a scenario in which they can free up enough money to max them both out.

Post #71 » by **djFan71** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:09 pm

Captain_Caveman wrote:
reload141 wrote:If the Knicks are holding out KP for a whole year not sure that’s really enticing for FA’s.

7”3 coming off an ACL with a decent injury history (72, 66, 48) I mean, I know ACL’s are a lot easier to come back from nowadays but still.... if I was FA I’d want to see that he’s recovered and playing again first.

Top 5 pick likely incoming, and quite possibly Durant. Porzingis not even the heart of it, IMO.

Do you think Porzingis, Knox, Hardaway Jr, 2019 & 2021 firsts beats a BOS 2 Jays and picks offer?

If so, they can renounce everyone they need to, do that trade. I think they could have 2 maxes left for Kyrie & KD.

Kyrie, Lee, KD, AD, Mitchell
Frank, Dotson, MLE, vet mins

Maybe be able to hang on to Trier & Vonleh if the money works.

ETA: I think they'd have to dump Lee by the deadline when taking cap holds into consideration.

Post #72 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:15 pm

Captain_Caveman wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
reload141 wrote:If the Knicks are holding out KP for a whole year not sure that’s really enticing for FA’s.

7”3 coming off an ACL with a decent injury history (72, 66, 48) I mean, I know ACL’s are a lot easier to come back from nowadays but still.... if I was FA I’d want to see that he’s recovered and playing again first.

Hint: its not. If FAs go to NY, its to be in NY— they couldnt give two **** about playing with KP relative to any other star.

We've seen stars try to team up on several occasions, and IMO, this scenario might be no different wrt to KD and Kyrie.

Agreed, fully. But to me, this is would be more of a ‘KD and Kyrie want to play in NY’ than ‘KP was a draw for them to join NY.’

mbsnmisc · Post #73 » by **mbsnmisc** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:28 pm

djFan71 wrote:
mbsnmisc wrote:
Parliament10 wrote:What's with this Enes Kanter deal?

You know how these teams operate. A young guy, great pedigree, #2 pick, short money, they probably just want to see if the lights come on playing in NYC for a good coach. They don't care about winning, I think it is a smart move.

Problem is, if the light does come on, then what? Can't imagine he comes close to making them pick up his option. So, best case you like him, decline the option and hope he comes back for less after you pursue other guys?

I don't know. If he plays like Carmelo-lite, and his knees pass the medicals I guess you have a decision to make. Fiz reminds me of the type of coach that will be on your side if you play/practice hard, but will sit you with no qualms if you are just running up and down, shooting 20'er's and playing no defense.
I am not a huge Jabari fan, but he has had a less than optimal path to where he is now. I don't know if he ever becomes a good NBA player, but I have seen "flashes" of an offensive horse.

Captain_Caveman · Post #74 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:40 pm

StojkoVrankovic wrote:Give me a scenario in which they can free up enough money to max them both out.

I already did.

Dump Hardaway Jr and Lee, let everyone else walk, wait to resign KP. It's close, but doable.

Captain_Caveman · Post #75 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:41 pm

djFan71 wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
reload141 wrote:If the Knicks are holding out KP for a whole year not sure that’s really enticing for FA’s.

7”3 coming off an ACL with a decent injury history (72, 66, 48) I mean, I know ACL’s are a lot easier to come back from nowadays but still.... if I was FA I’d want to see that he’s recovered and playing again first.

Top 5 pick likely incoming, and quite possibly Durant. Porzingis not even the heart of it, IMO.

Do you think Porzingis, Knox, Hardaway Jr, 2019 & 2021 firsts beats a BOS 2 Jays and picks offer?

If so, they can renounce everyone they need to, do that trade. I think they could have 2 maxes left for Kyrie & KD.

Kyrie, Lee, KD, AD, Mitchell
Frank, Dotson, MLE, vet mins

Maybe be able to hang on to Trier & Vonleh if the money works.

ETA: I think they'd have to dump Lee by the deadline when taking cap holds into consideration.

AD?

You just had to go there, huh?

Celtics_History_Lesson · Post #76 » by **Celtics_History_Lesson** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:50 pm

Parliament10 wrote:What's with this Enes Kanter deal?

As well as the usual no defense and no passing and makes his team worse and nobody wants to be on a team with him, he is now fighting a foreign government and bad things could happen if you are sitting next to Kanter.

The numbers say that if Irving joins Durant in New York, or has a similar situation anywhere, he will revert to being the nobody who is second in command but overlooked like he was behind LeBron.

Irving would take a pay cut to be a sidekick on a team that loses more.

To move Hardaway or Lee, if they send a first rounder that means less chance to get better.

They waive/renounce Porzingis, Mudiay, Vonleh, Burke and Kornet to find money, they get worse too.

Irving would join a team that has Durant, no real center, some Knox chucker at the other forward spot, and Tim Hardaway's son.

The 14% chance at Zion might tip things, but that isn't a very big number.

As a Celtic, Irving is 5th in the league for NBA Real Plus-Minus - 2018-19.

When he was just a sidekick, 53rd.

He would throw away all the money, winning, fun, playoffs, having his own team just to play for that crazy Knicks owner and watch as Durant takes the spotlight?

On the 14% chance he does want out, sign and trade for Zinger and Mudiay.

Post #77 » by **djFan71** » Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:29 am

Captain_Caveman wrote:
djFan71 wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
Top 5 pick likely incoming, and quite possibly Durant. Porzingis not even the heart of it, IMO.

Do you think Porzingis, Knox, Hardaway Jr, 2019 & 2021 firsts beats a BOS 2 Jays and picks offer?

If so, they can renounce everyone they need to, do that trade. I think they could have 2 maxes left for Kyrie & KD.

Kyrie, Lee, KD, AD, Mitchell
Frank, Dotson, MLE, vet mins

Maybe be able to hang on to Trier & Vonleh if the money works.

ETA: I think they'd have to dump Lee by the deadline when taking cap holds into consideration.

AD?

You just had to go there, huh?

You started it...

I'm guessing the math doesn't quite work, and/or they'd have literally nobody else but vet mins.

Captain_Caveman · Post #78 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:40 am

djFan71 wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
djFan71 wrote:Do you think Porzingis, Knox, Hardaway Jr, 2019 & 2021 firsts beats a BOS 2 Jays and picks offer?

If so, they can renounce everyone they need to, do that trade. I think they could have 2 maxes left for Kyrie & KD.

Kyrie, Lee, KD, AD, Mitchell
Frank, Dotson, MLE, vet mins

Maybe be able to hang on to Trier & Vonleh if the money works.

ETA: I think they'd have to dump Lee by the deadline when taking cap holds into consideration.

AD?

You just had to go there, huh?

You started it... I'm guessing the math doesn't quite work, and/or they'd have literally nobody else but vet mins.

32.4m each for KD and Kyrie, 27m for AD, 16m to fill out the roster. Lee would have to go. Knox could probably stay, given that they would already be giving up KP and a top 5 pick.

Yeah, that's not cool at all, lol.

StojkoVrankovic · RIP texas celtic, 12/10/14 - 12/10/14

Captain_Caveman wrote:
StojkoVrankovic wrote:Give me a scenario in which they can free up enough money to max them both out.

I already did.

Dump Hardaway Jr and Lee, let everyone else walk, wait to resign KP. It's close, but doable.

You seem to be the only person who thinks that is an easy option.

Captain_Caveman · Post #80 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:29 am

Parliament10 wrote:What's with this Enes Kanter deal?

Probably afraid he will actually try to win games this year lol.