Trade Thread: Armchair GMs welcomed

[sco]

Any subtle clues here for a trade?

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900050398/disgruntled-jabari-parker-says-hes-thought-about-playing-for-the-jazz.html

[GimmeDat]

I have a feeling Thon Maker might be available for little to no value soon enough. He's actually picked it up this season and is playing pretty well, and had a bit of a breakout game last week, but he's on the outside of the Bucks rotation and not really getting a look in.

I don't know what I necessarily think of his prospects at this point, but I do think he has potential, and I've seen glimpses of it coming together this season. He can hit the 3, finish above the rim with space, has great effort and a combination of rim protection and solid switchability.

Just would rather be running someone with some upside/youth at backup C than RoLo or Felicio. RoLo's still useful at times but for us, we shouldn't have this old-school C that we're throwing it inside to, we need to have a more athletic, running C with more range.

Really, both teams would benefit from a RoLo/Maker swap, but the contracts don't really match up, and I can't really see any tweaks to get anything that makes sense.

[sco]

I have a feeling Thon Maker might be available for little to no value soon enough. He's actually picked it up this season and is playing pretty well, and had a bit of a breakout game last week, but he's on the outside of the Bucks rotation and not really getting a look in.

I don't know what I necessarily think of his prospects at this point, but I do think he has potential, and I've seen glimpses of it coming together this season. He can hit the 3, finish above the rim with space, has great effort and a combination of rim protection and solid switchability.

Just would rather be running someone with some upside/youth at backup C than RoLo or Felicio. RoLo's still useful at times but for us, we shouldn't have this old-school C that we're throwing it inside to, we need to have a more athletic, running C with more range.

Really, both teams would benefit from a RoLo/Maker swap, but the contracts don't really match up, and I can't really see any tweaks to get anything that makes sense.

Portis, RoLo, Blakeney for Maker, Snell, Jason Smith.

[GimmeDat]

I have a feeling Thon Maker might be available for little to no value soon enough. He's actually picked it up this season and is playing pretty well, and had a bit of a breakout game last week, but he's on the outside of the Bucks rotation and not really getting a look in.

I don't know what I necessarily think of his prospects at this point, but I do think he has potential, and I've seen glimpses of it coming together this season. He can hit the 3, finish above the rim with space, has great effort and a combination of rim protection and solid switchability.

Just would rather be running someone with some upside/youth at backup C than RoLo or Felicio. RoLo's still useful at times but for us, we shouldn't have this old-school C that we're throwing it inside to, we need to have a more athletic, running C with more range.

Really, both teams would benefit from a RoLo/Maker swap, but the contracts don't really match up, and I can't really see any tweaks to get anything that makes sense.

Portis, RoLo, Blakeney for Maker, Snell, Jason Smith.

Not interested in that one. Snell's on 12m up to 2021. That's a negative value contract. Smith is filler, and Maker is a marginal asset at best.

We not only give up neutral value pieces in RoLo/Blakeney but lose Portis in the process.

I saw Snell's deal and figured the only thing that would make sense is swapping Felicio's deal for Snell. Shaves money for them but they'd have to feel like Felicio fills that backup C spot well for them. Snell's actually serviceable and a part of their rotation.

Maker's too marginal an asset to be really doing any sizeable deal around him.

[sco]

I have a feeling Thon Maker might be available for little to no value soon enough. He's actually picked it up this season and is playing pretty well, and had a bit of a breakout game last week, but he's on the outside of the Bucks rotation and not really getting a look in.

I don't know what I necessarily think of his prospects at this point, but I do think he has potential, and I've seen glimpses of it coming together this season. He can hit the 3, finish above the rim with space, has great effort and a combination of rim protection and solid switchability.

Just would rather be running someone with some upside/youth at backup C than RoLo or Felicio. RoLo's still useful at times but for us, we shouldn't have this old-school C that we're throwing it inside to, we need to have a more athletic, running C with more range.

Really, both teams would benefit from a RoLo/Maker swap, but the contracts don't really match up, and I can't really see any tweaks to get anything that makes sense.

Portis, RoLo, Blakeney for Maker, Snell, Jason Smith.

Not interested in that one. Snell's on 12m up to 2021. That's a negative value contract. Smith is filler, and Maker is a marginal asset at best.

We not only give up neutral value pieces in RoLo/Blakeney but lose Portis in the process.

I saw Snell's deal and figured the only thing that would make sense is swapping Felicio's deal for Snell. Shaves money for them but they'd have to feel like Felicio fills that backup C spot well for them. Snell's actually serviceable and a part of their rotation.

Maker's too marginal an asset to be really doing any sizeable deal around him.

Fair point. While not "worth" $12M per year, Snell may be better than anybody else we can land as a FA SF. He's still just 27. If you average Snell and Maker out, you get a fair deal for both. What about RoLo for Snell/Maker - that works in trade checker.

[GimmeDat]

Portis, RoLo, Blakeney for Maker, Snell, Jason Smith.

Not interested in that one. Snell's on 12m up to 2021. That's a negative value contract. Smith is filler, and Maker is a marginal asset at best.

We not only give up neutral value pieces in RoLo/Blakeney but lose Portis in the process.

I saw Snell's deal and figured the only thing that would make sense is swapping Felicio's deal for Snell. Shaves money for them but they'd have to feel like Felicio fills that backup C spot well for them. Snell's actually serviceable and a part of their rotation.

Maker's too marginal an asset to be really doing any sizeable deal around him.

Fair point. While not "worth" $12M per year, Snell may be better than anybody else we can land as a FA SF. He's still just 27. If you average Snell and Maker out, you get a fair deal for both. What about RoLo for Snell/Maker - that works in trade checker.

Personally, I wouldn't want to take Snell even in that deal. I think he's an average backup at most and having those sort of deals on the books is really stifling.

If we can't get a player better than Snell in FA we shouldn't spend any long term money imo.

[Davell]

Middleton and Barnes seem to be the best of the e find tier 3's. And in this climate, with half the league having max ability, they're going to get overpaid.

I truly hope we're looking into taking back an extra year on a contract for Parker and Lopez. We need assets and we're not about to land any FA worth big money currently.

Kanter for Jabari seems like this FO- expiring for expiring. Ugh.

[sco]

Kanter for Jabari seems like this FO- expiring for expiring. Ugh.

Yeah, I don't get that one from Bulls POV. Kanter wants to start and get a new big contract. No value to Bulls. I'd rather try to get Hezonja in a Parker deal.

[NecessaryEvil]

Bari and Robin for Otto Porter. We could use more assets for a consolidation trade later (AD) if we go that route

They get out of his deal, we pick up a young wing and former #3 pick that can fit the long term plan if retained.

He's set to make 27 mill next season and 28 in 2021

[sco]

Bari and Robin for Otto Porter. We could use more assets for a consolidation trade later (AD) if we go that route

They get out of his deal, we pick up a young wing and former #3 pick that can fit the long term plan if retained.

He's set to make 27 mill next season and 28 in 2021

I'd do that all day long, but Wash just traded away Oubre. They'd need to fill a hole with a guy likely making the same money.

[KirkHinrich]

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/nba-trade-rumors-latest-news-on-pelicans-forward-search-celtics-deadline-strategy/xpqz0rcw5wyi1d185cyjyugai

Blazers and Sixers are rumored to be interested in giving up FRP's. Both have a need for a stretch four, Portis would look great on both teams, the Sixers more so.

[ThreeMileAllan]

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/nba-trade-rumors-latest-news-on-pelicans-forward-search-celtics-deadline-strategy/xpqz0rcw5wyi1d185cyjyugai

Blazers and Sixers are rumored to be interested in giving up FRP's. Both have a need for a stretch four, Portis would look great on both teams, the Sixers more so.

I mean, if we trade Portis to the Pels and Niko and Portis are their frontcourt... that might be one of the most savagw things we have ever done

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[Grodoboldo]

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/nba-trade-rumors-latest-news-on-pelicans-forward-search-celtics-deadline-strategy/xpqz0rcw5wyi1d185cyjyugai

Blazers and Sixers are rumored to be interested in giving up FRP's. Both have a need for a stretch four, Portis would look great on both teams, the Sixers more so.

I originally thought we could do Portis + Holiday for the 76ers first, but that's gone out the window.
Not sure if Portis alone is able to fetch a first.

[Hugi Mancura]

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/nba-trade-rumors-latest-news-on-pelicans-forward-search-celtics-deadline-strategy/xpqz0rcw5wyi1d185cyjyugai

Blazers and Sixers are rumored to be interested in giving up FRP's. Both have a need for a stretch four, Portis would look great on both teams, the Sixers more so.

I originally thought we could do Portis + Holiday for the 76ers first, but that's gone out the window.
Not sure if Portis alone is able to fetch a first.

Maybe not alone, but if you take some longer bad deal back like Harkless from Blazers, then who knows.

Harkless + Leonard + 1:st for Portis and Rolo? That would weaken Portlands SF spot, so probably not. And they do say Bulls don't want extra salary for year 2019-20 (don't really understand why. They are not getting any Free agents).

[Davell]

I think that especially in this draft, Portis can fetch a first on his own. That said, I really don't see him being a guy the Bulls are looking to trade off.

My idea is Jabari and Harrison to Portland, for Evan Turner, Anfernee Simons, and their 2019 1st.

[Dan Z]

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[Leslie Forman]

I was just about to come here and hope absolutely nobody would suggest Dennis Smith Jr.

I am not convinced by him one bit.

[dougthonus]

I was just about to come here and hope absolutely nobody would suggest Dennis Smith Jr.

I am not convinced by him one bit.

An interesting trade IMO, would be Portis for Dennis Smith Jr. The Bulls, IMO, should not keep Portis after this season as he's clearly the worst of Lauri, Carter, and himself, and no need to spend a ton of money on your back up PF.

The Bulls don't really have an answer at PG, and while I'm not excited about Dennis Smith Jr per se, you have 2 more years on his rookie deal after this, and maybe he still develops into a player down the road or can be swapped for something better later.

Mavs don't really have much at PF after Dirk retires, so getting a look at Bobby and his RFA rights might be more intriguing than anything else they can do with Smith Jr.

[Hangtime84]

I was just about to come here and hope absolutely nobody would suggest Dennis Smith Jr.

I am not convinced by him one bit.

An interesting trade IMO, would be Portis for Dennis Smith Jr. The Bulls, IMO, should not keep Portis after this season as he's clearly the worst of Lauri, Carter, and himself, and no need to spend a ton of money on your back up PF.

The Bulls don't really have an answer at PG, and while I'm not excited about Dennis Smith Jr per se, you have 2 more years on his rookie deal after this, and maybe he still develops into a player down the road or can be swapped for something better later.

Mavs don't really have much at PF after Dirk retires, so getting a look at Bobby and his RFA rights might be more intriguing than anything else they can do with Smith Jr.

Not a smith fan but we are playing musical chairs at pg why keep it going

[GimmeDat]

I was just about to come here and hope absolutely nobody would suggest Dennis Smith Jr.

I am not convinced by him one bit.

An interesting trade IMO, would be Portis for Dennis Smith Jr. The Bulls, IMO, should not keep Portis after this season as he's clearly the worst of Lauri, Carter, and himself, and no need to spend a ton of money on your back up PF.

The Bulls don't really have an answer at PG, and while I'm not excited about Dennis Smith Jr per se, you have 2 more years on his rookie deal after this, and maybe he still develops into a player down the road or can be swapped for something better later.

Mavs don't really have much at PF after Dirk retires, so getting a look at Bobby and his RFA rights might be more intriguing than anything else they can do with Smith Jr.

I would absolutely do Portis for DSJ... I feel like you'd have to sweeten that deal though, Portis with upcoming RFA status doesn't hold much positive value.

Smith Jr. isn't a bad player. Is he the answer at PG? Maybe, maybe not. Last year I thought he seemed like fools gold, but this season he's upped his shooting efficiency significantly and supposedly flashed some good defense.

Dunn is a superior playmaker and defender, and I think those areas are significant in terms of the fit with Lavine and our bigs, but his lack of shooting also causes significant fit and lineup issues (he's on 34.6% so far this season, 9/26, so I won't completely write him off as a non-shooter from 3 just yet but it's unlikely he becomes any more than a low volume threat from deep). I do think DSJ gives you more firepower, shooting, and general upside in comparison.

Of course, it's not an either/or thing. We have nothing notable backing up Dunn at PG, Dunn himself isn't at a 'lock him in' starting PG level, and it would, in this scenario, cost us a upcoming RFA who has his fit issues as well. DSJ is well worth a flier.

Worst case scenario, DSJ is an upgrade on the backup PG position and has longer on his rookie deal compared to Portis.