Mavericks Discussing Dennis Smith Jr. Trade With Suns, Magic

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[agentofatlas]

Seems like DSJ or his camp wants out while the Mavs were a little hesitant. Too bad. I still believe he could grow to become a good player for us.

That said I hope they trade him for a young wing. Gordon is the ideal but it's a pipe dream atm. Also any of the Sun's wings would be great. Jackson seems like the most possible. Might check the Sun's board on how they view him.

The pessimist in me thinks we'll just get like a Terrence Ross and like a 2nd or maybe just Vuc straight up.

[BlueSan]

Personally this is how I see it.

1. Dennis out from Dallas in this moment is hastey and not smart, kid has a long cheap contract ahead of him and will develop

2. If he himself wants out, thats too bad but I would actually not grant him that and be selling him, instead would wait for really good offers to come my way rather.

So in any case I do not think it would be smart to move/trade DSJ and if either Dallas or DSJ himself are pushing for it that is not a smart move, rather a jump to conclusion and hastey one. My thoughts...

[Dirk]

Out of those sources, only Woj is credible. The other two frequently just make stuff up as they go along.

This is unfortunate. While the fit with Luka will always be in question and no one challenges the notion that Luka is the guy you want handling things when it matters, DSJ did show development in key areas (outside shooting + defense).

It would make sense to actually try to see how they would work and how they best could maximise both by changing rotations and making sure one of them was always on the floor. DSJ has been made an easy scapegoat this year, for some reason he is painted as being far far worse than he actually is --- he is not bad, flashed potential that should make you want to invest in him and seeing if you can mold him. It's crazy how much he has been thrown under the bus this year.

While a defensive minded guard is seen as best next to Luka, you don't really want Luka to be James Harden for the Mavs, he'd be gassed all the time. DSJ has shown enough and is young enough to think that the wise investment would be to try and develop him and if it doesn't work out, you probably will increase his value --- because he has actually been showing steady improvement.

It's hard to comment on these things because I just never know if the team leaked this, if they are actually trying to trade him away or if it's actually DSJ who wants out. Plus, what is the return? Everyone is up for being traded, depends on the return. But I assume it's trades straight up for failed projects (thus far) like Jackson and Isaac.

From all we've seen, DSJ has handled himself well and there was no signs that he had any issues with Luka, he was actually the one who always passed him the ball when "envy" was being brought up early in the season. From a basketball perspective, there is some logic in thinking that long term maybe his camp believe he can have a bigger role elsewhere and who knows maybe they're upset with all the unfair critics coming his way, a miss or a slip up is heavily scrutinized now - like that mistake at the end of the game in NO.

[Archx]

I don't know how i feel about this. Like i mentioned in the other thread. DSJ could potentially be a superb 6th man for this team but i have the feeling DSJ doesn't want that. He wants to start and dominate the ball.
What can Mavs get in return is a breaking point in my opinion and will either stall or propel this franchise forward. They certainly don't need another PG but instead a good SG or stretch PF to go along with Maxi.

I like that they are trying to move Wesley as well but looks like no one wants him lol...

[DJ_3_Ball]

I am just now realizing this was a legitimate NBA rumor and not some hypothetical discussion.

First, I'm pissed off.

#1 - If DSJ wants out of Dallas, pardon my French here, but tough ****. It's called a contract... I would literally do what the kid manager does in that movie Little Big League. Star pitcher comes to him and says he's going to pitch poorly if they don't trade him. Manager says, go ahead, but we're going to keep sending you out there on that mound. This offseason you're a free agent. Turns to his assistant and says "What's the going rate for a starting pitcher who can't get anyone out?"

It's really more important than value for DSJ at this point. It's about what type of organization we are. If you want to become the Kings or the Bulls or some jackwagon organization then let players pull this kind of bs. Otherwise, hold their feet to the fire & if they want to make any money at all in free agency, they'll start to sing a different tune.

#2 - What do we have Rick Carlisle for, this master coach, if he can't make things work? I'm totally lost on that. I've never heard of a player getting run out of New England because Belicheck couldn't figure how to coach them. It's either for contract reasons or the guy is a bad apple. But, usually New England runs a tight ship & they don't have guys act like bad apples while they're there. That's the type of organization the Mavs need to be.

#3 - If this is how we're going to treat our future top 10 draft picks, then why draft them at all?... Hell, why did they draft DSJ??? Did they do their homework? I thought Carlisle was on Facetime with DSJ & they were laughing it up like old college buddies... I mean, how do they not know this kid is going to require more time to develop ESPECIALLY now that a monkey wrench has been thrown into the works & the Mavs have a new superstar emerging.

No one said professional sports management and coaching were easy, but you get paid the big bucks to figure it out. This is weak sauce. VERY WEAK SAUCE. The Mavs just throwing up their hands & giving up.

It'll really piss me off if they trade DSJ on a "let's just get him out of town" type of trade. They better get something worthy of a #9 overall 1st round pick, a guy who if the 2017 NBA draft were redrafted would probably go behind Mitchell, Tatum, Kuzma, Fox, Markkanen, and Isaac. He probably would go 7, and there's an argument to make for him going top 5. They better get that kind of value for him or I will be PISSED.

[jpengland]

Aaron Gordon or Isaac have to be the targets.

Both are ideal fits alongside Luka.

If we could move Barnes and Smith for one of the above and expirings then we would also have room for two near max guys to add to the core this summer.

Imagine a line up of...

Kemba Walker
Middleton
Luka
Aaron Gordon
MLE rim running C

That would be a TON of fun to watch and serious competitive over the next few years.

[burek3]

Voted none of these. It's a tough spot.

Definitely not for Bamba with Kostas and Spalding in the oven. That would be absolute crap trade. Consistent 3&D wing is what this team needs.

[DJ_3_Ball]

DSJ should have a fairly sizeable market.

I could see Chicago, Detroit, Indiana, Miami, Milwaukee, New York, and Utah all having interest in DSJ. All of those teams either are void of a good PG/Guard who can get his own shot or they will be by the end of next season and/or the current player in that role is unlikely to resign with them.

[2011Champs]

I’d rather fire Rick Carlisle than trade Dennis Smith Jr.
DAntoni can make Harden and Paul work together in Houston. Dallas needs to find a creative offensive coach that can run an offense with two ball handlers.
No free agents want to play in Dallas because of Carlisle unless it’s their last resort.

[Archx]

I’d rather fire Rick Carlisle than trade Dennis Smith Jr.
DAntoni can make Harden and Paul work together in Houston. Dallas needs to find a creative offensive coach that can run an offense with two ball handlers.
No free agents want to play in Dallas because of Carlisle unless it’s their last resort.

To be honest, a monkey could coach HOU and it would be the same result. Rick has done some nice adjustments lately and they worked. Just don't understand why Brunson was playing for so long and Harris was on the bench when he was clearly hot in the 4th Q.

[dirkforpres]

I’d rather fire Rick Carlisle than trade Dennis Smith Jr.
DAntoni can make Harden and Paul work together in Houston. Dallas needs to find a creative offensive coach that can run an offense with two ball handlers.
No free agents want to play in Dallas because of Carlisle unless it’s their last resort.

Are you sure it’s Carlisle and not the burden of being the only star other than a 36-41 year old Nowitzki??

[2011Champs]

I’d rather fire Rick Carlisle than trade Dennis Smith Jr.
DAntoni can make Harden and Paul work together in Houston. Dallas needs to find a creative offensive coach that can run an offense with two ball handlers.
No free agents want to play in Dallas because of Carlisle unless it’s their last resort.

Are you sure it’s Carlisle and not the burden of being the only star other than a 36-41 year old Nowitzki??

Maybe, maybe not. But if my coach and my young star can’t co exist I’m going to consider a coaching change also. It’s too soon to give up on Dennis but we’ve had a good sample size to know the positives and negatives of coach Carlisle. At some point the negatives can no longer be overlooked.

[Absinthe]

I don’t get some of you. He may develop. He may not. One thing is a certain—he can’t share the floor with Luka because of spacing. The Mavs are doing the right thing. You build around your best piece and cut or trade other pieces who aren’t on board with it.

DSJ in college was a guy who could fill up the box score by driving or shooting. In the NBA, he’s been injury prone and has shown a very low basketball IQ. He just doesn’t get to the rim like he did in college and his shooting is average at best.

[daoneandonly]

I want to keep him, but if we have to trade him, we should at least see if Miami is interested in a swap for J-Rich. Miami is loaded at the wing spot and DSJ is very close with Bam. J Rich would be a great fit with Luka as a 3&D specialist who can also be a secondary facilitator.

[dirkforpres]

I’d rather fire Rick Carlisle than trade Dennis Smith Jr.
DAntoni can make Harden and Paul work together in Houston. Dallas needs to find a creative offensive coach that can run an offense with two ball handlers.
No free agents want to play in Dallas because of Carlisle unless it’s their last resort.

Are you sure it’s Carlisle and not the burden of being the only star other than a 36-41 year old Nowitzki??

Maybe, maybe not. But if my coach and my young star can’t co exist I’m going to consider a coaching change also. It’s too soon to give up on Dennis but we’ve had a good sample size to know the positives and negatives of coach Carlisle. At some point the negatives can no longer be overlooked.

Carlisle definitely has some bad traits but I think the good by far outweigh the bad and
there aren’t many guys out there I’d rather have coach my team than him. Brunsons game works better alongside Doncic than Smith’s does so it makes sense for Dallas to go with Brunson moving forward and get the best package possible of player(s) for Smith... something tells me DSJ probably wouldn’t be happy about coming off the bench behind a rookie 2nd round pick

[fuller4379]

Explains all the back problems for a 21 year old kid.

I like his athleticism and would like to give the Luka / Smith experiment one to 1 1/2 seasons to see if it works, but Carlisle and DSJ don't seem to want to work together anymore. I am not opposed to a trade as long as we get a solid player back in return. I will be angry if the Mavs trade him at a discount.

[deb]

I want to keep him, but if we have to trade him, we should at least see if Miami is interested in a swap for J-Rich. Miami is loaded at the wing spot and DSJ is very close with Bam. J Rich would be a great fit with Luka as a 3&D specialist who can also be a secondary facilitator.

Richardson is great. He's the perfect 3&D guy, great defender, can play positions 1-3, doesn't need the ball much to be effective, can do a bit of playmaking, good character guy and on a very team friendly long term contract. Unfortunately, the Heat know all of this and the only way Richardson goes out of Miami is if a star player comes back in exchange. No way in hell would the Heat trade Richardson for a package centered around DSJ. Maybe, if Dallas took Miami's crap back (Whiteside, Waiters, either of the Johnsons).

On second thought. Maybe if the Mavs are willing to eat the terrible Tyler Johnson 2year\38million contract,something can be done here. Give them Wes's expiring contract. That TJ contract is terrible, but TJ's not that bad actually. Right now, I'd say his production is not that far from DSJ's, the difference being DSJ has much more upside (TJ is what he is at this point) and is a lot cheaper. Both are athletic high energy scoring undersized combo guards...

Explains all the back problems for a 21 year old kid.

I like his athleticism and would like to give the Luka / Smith experiment one to 1 1/2 seasons to see if it works, but Carlisle and DSJ don't seem to want to work together anymore. I am not opposed to a trade as long as we get a solid player back in return. I will be angry if the Mavs trade him at a discount.

The way this is being handled is bad imo. It makes it seem like the Mavs are desperate to move DSJ. This way the Mavs will receive only terrible lowball offers.

[dirkforpres]

I want to keep him, but if we have to trade him, we should at least see if Miami is interested in a swap for J-Rich. Miami is loaded at the wing spot and DSJ is very close with Bam. J Rich would be a great fit with Luka as a 3&D specialist who can also be a secondary facilitator.

Richardson is great. He's the perfect 3&D guy, great defender, can play positions 1-3, doesn't need the ball much to be effective, can do a bit of playmaking, good character guy and on a very team friendly long term contract. Unfortunately, the Heat know all of this and the only way Richardson goes out of Miami is if a star player comes back in exchange. No way in hell would the Heat trade Richardson for a package centered around DSJ. Maybe, if Dallas took Miami's crap back (Whiteside, Waiters, either of the Johnsons).

On second thought. Maybe if the Mavs are willing to eat the terrible Tyler Johnson 2year\38million contract,something can be done here. Give them Wes's expiring contract. That TJ contract is terrible, but TJ's not that bad actually. Right now, I'd say his production is not that far from DSJ's, the difference being DSJ has much more upside (TJ is what he is at this point) and is a lot cheaper. Both are athletic high energy scoring undersized combo guards...

Explains all the back problems for a 21 year old kid.

I like his athleticism and would like to give the Luka / Smith experiment one to 1 1/2 seasons to see if it works, but Carlisle and DSJ don't seem to want to work together anymore. I am not opposed to a trade as long as we get a solid player back in return. I will be angry if the Mavs trade him at a discount.

The way this is being handled is bad imo. It makes it seem like the Mavs are desperate to move DSJ. This way the Mavs will receive only terrible lowball offers.

I’d rather go after Isaac or Gordon than Richardson. I don’t think we could get Richardson anyway though FWIW... they wouldn’t even deal him for Jimmy

[daoneandonly]

Are you sure it’s Carlisle and not the burden of being the only star other than a 36-41 year old Nowitzki??

Maybe, maybe not. But if my coach and my young star can’t co exist I’m going to consider a coaching change also. It’s too soon to give up on Dennis but we’ve had a good sample size to know the positives and negatives of coach Carlisle. At some point the negatives can no longer be overlooked.

Carlisle definitely has some bad traits but I think the good by far outweigh the bad and
there aren’t many guys out there I’d rather have coach my team than him. Brunsons game works better alongside Doncic than Smith’s does so it makes sense for Dallas to go with Brunson moving forward and get the best package possible of player(s) for Smith... something tells me DSJ probably wouldn’t be happy about coming off the bench behind a rookie 2nd round pick

Yea I'd balk at it if we had to take back one of their many terirble deals, TJ, Waiters, James Johnson, WHiteside, man they made some stupid deals there. But just figured, with WInslow now showing to eb what they had hoped, maybe they'd be more willing to make a trade for a PG, and they'd still have Magruder, Derrick, Ellington, and stuck with Waiters. I can see them not willign to want to give up Rich for DSJ, but given the age difference and potential upside, I dont know if its very far fetched.

I think a big part of the Jimmy deal was Thibbs being a dick and trying to squeeze more after the deal was already agreed upon, hence Riley got pissed and called it off.