Game Thread: Budenholzer's Return -- 1/13

[benhillboy]

Didn’t see the game. I see 80% from the line (much better lately) and 18 offensive boards and am quite pleased. Then I see the 24 turns and lower my head in shame. Bembry with 6 and no assists. He’ll have to make huge strides just to become a net 0 offensive player. But I look at Terrance Ross finally becoming a decent player after 17 years so I have hope.

Omari has to work with John on challenging shots. John has as many blocks as Trae. That ain’t gonna cut it. He reminds me of Blake earlier in his career, not knowing how to account for shorter arms. Took him some time to learn defensive positioning and timing that seemed so natural on the offensive end.

Trae is encouraging me every night. I’ll never expect him to post 10 boards and 13 FTAs, just half of that is more than sufficient for me. Brogdon and Bledsoe didn’t have explosive +/- so I’m guessing Trae had a decent floor game when matched. Kinda good and bad that the media has all but forgotten about the Doncic connection: Trae doesn’t feel the extra pressure to “compete” with him right now because it’s pretty futile when Doncic is getting heavy AS consideration. Huerter’s development really softened the blow for me.

When the Bucks started fleshing out their roster in the Summer I had them walking to the Finals. Way too many styles they can play. They say contenders usually fall in the Top 10 in both efficiencies, Bud got them boys grinding for Top 5 in both. Anyone looking for Kawhi to be a leader is kidding themselves and Boston is gonna have a team brawl in a few days acting like divas who can’t accept a loss to team with a worse record. Indy is a great story but a -6 points per dog in a 6 game series with Milwaukee. Philly’s depth is depressing, Embiid controversy coming up this summer.

[Yungsta404]

Larry Drew can kiss my a$$

Ferry will always be the worst GM in Hawks history simply due to Giannis for me. He mishandled that in every way. We should have traded up with Minny. Gave them a top 10 protected pick in next year's draft or something but us not doing that trade really screwed up everything. Instead of going from Carroll to Giannis, we went Carroll to Bazemore which just wasn't a good fit for how we played at the time. We would be contenders right now. It has always irked me and the main reason why Ferry is just a crap GM.

To be fair, nobody, including Ferry or Milwaukee knew how good he was going to be, otherwise he would not have fallen #15. But he does criticism for sharing draft info with a coach he was about to fire.

Regardless, to willing let a key personnel share draft intel to an outside organization that has a draft slot before you without having any foresight that this could happen is a fireable offense itself.

That is King/Knicks level of stupidity. If i’m ownership and I found out that this happened I would lose all trust in him making any high stakes decisions for my organization and he would be out the door. I have no tolerance for that if I’m trying to be a top tier organization.

[graymule]

Hawks missed Dedmon. Len got in foul trouble. He and second year man JC and three rookies made up the
starting five. They stayed close against a top eastern team until late. How about that!

Losses continue but we're gaining valuable experience. Starting five looked great together!

GO ATL HAWKS !!

[hawkmanreturns]

Ferry will always be the worst GM in Hawks history simply due to Giannis for me. He mishandled that in every way. We should have traded up with Minny. Gave them a top 10 protected pick in next year's draft or something but us not doing that trade really screwed up everything. Instead of going from Carroll to Giannis, we went Carroll to Bazemore which just wasn't a good fit for how we played at the time. We would be contenders right now. It has always irked me and the main reason why Ferry is just a crap GM.

To be fair, nobody, including Ferry or Milwaukee knew how good he was going to be, otherwise he would not have fallen #15. But he does criticism for sharing draft info with a coach he was about to fire.

Regardless, to willing let a key personnel share draft intel to an outside organization that has a draft slot before you without having any foresight that this could happen is a fireable offense itself.

That is King/Knicks level of stupidity. If i’m ownership and I found out that this happened I would lose all trust in him making any high stakes decisions for my organization and he would be out the door. I have no tolerance for that if I’m trying to be a top tier organization.

I agree with this 100% and have said the same thing ever since that blunder occurred. Ferry should've been fired on the spot. Throwing Lou Williams in as "filler" along with Bebe in that trade with Toronto was another blunder. Lou was just coming off an injury and his value was at an all time low. Those blunders and his draft record are probably the reason he's not a GM right now.

[King Ken]

To be fair, nobody, including Ferry or Milwaukee knew how good he was going to be, otherwise he would not have fallen #15. But he does criticism for sharing draft info with a coach he was about to fire.

Regardless, to willing let a key personnel share draft intel to an outside organization that has a draft slot before you without having any foresight that this could happen is a fireable offense itself.

That is King/Knicks level of stupidity. If i’m ownership and I found out that this happened I would lose all trust in him making any high stakes decisions for my organization and he would be out the door. I have no tolerance for that if I’m trying to be a top tier organization.

I agree with this 100% and have said the same thing ever since that blunder occurred. Ferry should've been fired on the spot. Throwing Lou Williams in as "filler" along with Bebe in that trade with Toronto was another blunder. Lou was just coming off an injury and his value was at an all time low. Those blunders and his draft record are probably the reason he's not a GM right now.

The Hawks made the perfect move when they were willing to trade up the #30 for Kevin, Woj announcement blew that trade up but if Ferry wanted Giannis that bad, he would have trade up to #14. We had two mid 1st that year which we completed flopped on. This is the difference between a great GM and a crap one like Ferry.

The best thing about Ferry was his vision on style of play and hiring Bud but even that only went so far. Once it was clear it was time for us to rebuild, Bud was on his San Antonio, I don't want to rebuild. Bud's unwillingness to rebuild is why he signed Dwight and resign Bazemore to that contract. We should have hired LP and Schlenk years ago. Once Horford left, Bud should have been fired on the spot. Sap traded that summer for a future 2018 pick.

Foresight is CRITICAL for a GM. You can't make a move based on one season.

[Spud2nique]

We too weak honestly. Weight room for all

This is expected, they'll get their man strength eventually.

Well that’s pretty sexist...women got crazy strength look at Lisa Leslie and Wonder Woman.

[Yungsta404]

Regardless, to willing let a key personnel share draft intel to an outside organization that has a draft slot before you without having any foresight that this could happen is a fireable offense itself.

That is King/Knicks level of stupidity. If i’m ownership and I found out that this happened I would lose all trust in him making any high stakes decisions for my organization and he would be out the door. I have no tolerance for that if I’m trying to be a top tier organization.

I agree with this 100% and have said the same thing ever since that blunder occurred. Ferry should've been fired on the spot. Throwing Lou Williams in as "filler" along with Bebe in that trade with Toronto was another blunder. Lou was just coming off an injury and his value was at an all time low. Those blunders and his draft record are probably the reason he's not a GM right now.

The Hawks made the perfect move when they were willing to trade up the #30 for Kevin, Woj announcement blew that trade up but if Ferry wanted Giannis that bad, he would have trade up to #14. We had two mid 1st that year which we completed flopped on. This is the difference between a great GM and a crap one like Ferry.

The best thing about Ferry was his vision on style of play and hiring Bud but even that only went so far. Once it was clear it was time for us to rebuild, Bud was on his San Antonio, I don't want to rebuild. Bud's unwillingness to rebuild is why he signed Dwight and resign Bazemore to that contract. We should have hired LP and Schlenk years ago. Once Horford left, Bud should have been fired on the spot. Sap traded that summer for a future 2018 pick.

Foresight is CRITICAL for a GM. You can't make a move based on one season.

Reports leaked that we tried to trade the next two draft picks selected after Giannis with Milwaukee for Giannis but the bucks weren’t having it. So it was obvious that Ferry wanted Giannis badly.

That whole 2013 draft was an epic fail for Ferry.

[Jamaaliver]

^I still get burnt that we wasted a draft pick on Bebe instead of Rudy Gobert (or even Tim Hardaway as a rookie).

Then followed that up by selecting Adreian Payne over Rodney Hood, Clint Capela (or NIkola Jokic)

[Spud2nique]

^I still get burnt that we wasted a draft pick on Bebe instead of Rudy Gobert (or even Tim Hardaway as a rookie).

Then followed that up by selecting Adreian Payne over Rodney Hood, Clint Capela (or NIkola Jokic)

This one is a tough one for me. To be able to differentiate Bebe’s talents at the time vs Rudy was difficult in my opinion. I mean unless we had a Spurs like scouting talent.

[Jamaaliver]

^I still get burnt that we wasted a draft pick on Bebe instead of Rudy Gobert (or even Tim Hardaway as a rookie).

Then followed that up by selecting Adreian Payne over Rodney Hood, Clint Capela (or NIkola Jokic)

This one is a tough one for me. To be able to differentiate Bebe’s talents at the time vs Rudy was difficult in my opinion. I mean unless we had a Spurs like scouting talent.

And by itself, it would be forgivable. But when combined with the Adreian pick and the Jenkins pick, you get a consistent pattern of poor talent evaluation of collegiate/amateur/overseas players.

Jenkins/Adreian/Bebe weren't even rotation players past their rookie contracts. That's terrible talent evaluation across multiple years.

[High 5]

Payne doesn't Huert anymore.

[Spud2nique]

Payne doesn't Huert anymore.

Oh I see you boooooiii!

Git..git up! With this amount of it you need to take ur swag to killer Mike’s swag shop and get u cleaned up.

[Spud2nique]

^I still get burnt that we wasted a draft pick on Bebe instead of Rudy Gobert (or even Tim Hardaway as a rookie).

Then followed that up by selecting Adreian Payne over Rodney Hood, Clint Capela (or NIkola Jokic)

This one is a tough one for me. To be able to differentiate Bebe’s talents at the time vs Rudy was difficult in my opinion. I mean unless we had a Spurs like scouting talent.

And by itself, it would be forgivable. But when combined with the Adreian pick and the Jenkins pick, you get a consistent pattern of poor talent evaluation of collegiate/amateur/overseas players.

Jenkins/Adreian/Bebe weren't even rotation players past their rookie contracts. That's terrible talent evaluation across multiple years.

Look at the glass half full, at least we got John Collins over DJ Wilson... I realize DJ went a pick before John but still.

[Spud2nique]

John Collins absolutely gave it to Brook Lopez early 2nd quarter. Omari has been hanging out with BC a ton. Catch and fire within 0.2 lol. He’s nimble though with the shot fake drive and dump to JC for the flush.

Trae with a nice move in the 2nd behind the back pass fake for a high scoop layup. Love it.

[Spud2nique]

Wow...Did Huerter take another step up...HES A STEP SKIPPER!!!! Wow, he and Trae are building a little thing we like to call..chemistry. Fair warning to the league, we are going to be a different animal in 3 years.

Bucks too much down the stretch. That Giannis pass to Bled in the lane was Magicesque.