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Post#41 » by Crunch 99 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:33 pm

We are past the half way point of the season now, and my stretch forward target, Marcus Morris, has moved in to the top five in NBA for three point shooting percentage.

I know you should never judge a player on one game, but I first became interested in Marcus Morris after this Feb. 2015 game against the Jazz where he was unstoppable. He is the second Morris in the stats:
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The other reason I've been pushing Morris is that I thought he was a third tier free agent that was more obtainable and affordable than the first and second tier free agents we've been mentioning, but with the way he has been playing this season, his price keeps going up.
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Post#42 » by Crunch 99 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:37 pm

By the way, Morris was acquitted of all charges related to someone getting beat up outside the Suns' stadium, so we have to go with the court's decision that he is innocent. Seems to me that the other criticism had to do with some insubordination to Coach Hornacek. I am not sure that was all on Morris either. Young Coach Hornacek had problems with more than one player and may have needed to evolve and adjust his coaching style a bit. Regardless, the Boston fans have been posting that 29 year old Morris is a good teammate and locker room guy.
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Post#43 » by KqWIN » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:25 pm

Morris is playing well, but it’s also completely unlike anything he’s ever done before. I wouldn’t pay him with the expectation that he’s going to be this good again.
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Post#44 » by zero24gravity » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:31 pm

Crunch 99 wrote:By the way, Morris was acquitted of all charges related to someone getting beat up outside the Suns' stadium, so we have to go with the court's decision that he is innocent. Seems to me that the other criticism had to do with some insubordination to Coach Hornacek. I am not sure that was all on Morris either. Young Coach Hornacek had problems with more than one player and may have needed to evolve and adjust his coaching style a bit. Regardless, the Boston fans have been posting that 29 year old Morris is a good teammate and locker room guy.


And OJ was innocent too. :lol:

... just sayin'
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Post#45 » by Crunch 99 » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:13 pm

KqWIN wrote:Morris is playing well, but it’s also completely unlike anything he’s ever done before. I wouldn’t pay him with the expectation that he’s going to be this good again.


Yes, we already have one stretch forward who had an outlier season in Boston. I'd rather have a real star like Griffin, but would take a flyer on Morris at $12M/year? if we can't get a real star or a budding star like Tobias Harris.
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Post#46 » by KqWIN » Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:01 pm

Crunch 99 wrote:
KqWIN wrote:Morris is playing well, but it’s also completely unlike anything he’s ever done before. I wouldn’t pay him with the expectation that he’s going to be this good again.


Yes, we already have one stretch forward who had an outlier season at Boston. I'd rather have a real star like Griffin, but would take a flyer on Morris at $12M/year? if we can't get a real star or a budding star like Tobias Harris.


Sure, but I think he goes for much higher than $12M. Everybody has cap space, and we all saw what happened the last time this happened.

Years are also important. I’d take a flyer on just about anyone for two seasons. But you have to be very careful with money beyond that.
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Post#47 » by Crunch 99 » Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:06 pm

KqWIN wrote:
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KqWIN wrote:Morris is playing well, but it’s also completely unlike anything he’s ever done before. I wouldn’t pay him with the expectation that he’s going to be this good again.


Yes, we already have one stretch forward who had an outlier season at Boston. I'd rather have a real star like Griffin, but would take a flyer on Morris at $12M/year? if we can't get a real star or a budding star like Tobias Harris.


Sure, but I think he goes for much higher than $12M. Everybody has cap space, and we all saw what happened the last time this happened.

Years are also important. I’d take a flyer on just about anyone for two seasons. But you have to be very careful with money beyond that.


How much do you think Morris goes for if he continues to have a strong season?
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Post#48 » by KqWIN » Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:17 pm

Crunch 99 wrote:
KqWIN wrote:
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Yes, we already have one stretch forward who had an outlier season at Boston. I'd rather have a real star like Griffin, but would take a flyer on Morris at $12M/year? if we can't get a real star or a budding star like Tobias Harris.


Sure, but I think he goes for much higher than $12M. Everybody has cap space, and we all saw what happened the last time this happened.

Years are also important. I’d take a flyer on just about anyone for two seasons. But you have to be very careful with money beyond that.


How much do you Morris goes for if he continues to have a strong season?


Well, I think there’s a good chance Morris doesn’t hit the market at all. He’s found a home there, and it wouldn’t surprise me if he doesn’t even consider leaving. At the very least, you’d have to pay much more than Boston to get him to leave. Ainge is also very unlikely to want to lose him for nothing, and resigning Morris doesn’t have much immediate opportunity cost.

It’s tough to peg a number because, as I said before, years are very important. I think he resigns in Boston for 3 years at ~$18M annually. For someone to steal him, they’d have to go for more. And if you want him on a shorter deal even more.

That being said, I’m really bad at this stuff. Some players get squeezed out even if they have good seasons, and I can’t be the only one who sees this season as a complete outlier for Morris. FWIW, his impact stats aren’t that amazing.
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Post#49 » by Crunch 99 » Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:22 pm

KqWIN wrote:
Crunch 99 wrote:
KqWIN wrote:
Sure, but I think he goes for much higher than $12M. Everybody has cap space, and we all saw what happened the last time this happened.

Years are also important. I’d take a flyer on just about anyone for two seasons. But you have to be very careful with money beyond that.


How much do you Morris goes for if he continues to have a strong season?


Well, I think there’s a good chance Morris doesn’t hit the market at all. He’s found a home there, and it wouldn’t surprise me if he doesn’t even consider leaving. At the very least, you’d have to pay much more than Boston to get him to leave. Ainge is also very unlikely to want to lose him for nothing, and resigning Morris doesn’t have much immediate opportunity cost.

It’s tough to peg a number because, as I said before, years are very important. I think he resigns in Boston for 3 years at ~$18M annually. For someone to steal him, they’d have to go for more. And if you want him on a shorter deal even more.

That being said, I’m really bad at this stuff. Some players get squeezed out even if they have good seasons, and I can’t be the only one who sees this season as a complete outlier for Morris. FWIW, his impact stats aren’t that amazing.


I've been following one of the Boston Real GM threads on Morris. The posters want to keep him, but doubt Boston is going to be able to pull it off.
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Post#50 » by KqWIN » Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:31 pm

Crunch 99 wrote:
KqWIN wrote:
Crunch 99 wrote:
How much do you Morris goes for if he continues to have a strong season?


Well, I think there’s a good chance Morris doesn’t hit the market at all. He’s found a home there, and it wouldn’t surprise me if he doesn’t even consider leaving. At the very least, you’d have to pay much more than Boston to get him to leave. Ainge is also very unlikely to want to lose him for nothing, and resigning Morris doesn’t have much immediate opportunity cost.

It’s tough to peg a number because, as I said before, years are very important. I think he resigns in Boston for 3 years at ~$18M annually. For someone to steal him, they’d have to go for more. And if you want him on a shorter deal even more.

That being said, I’m really bad at this stuff. Some players get squeezed out even if they have good seasons, and I can’t be the only one who sees this season as a complete outlier for Morris. FWIW, his impact stats aren’t that amazing.


I've been following one of the Boston Real GM thread on Morris off and on. The posters want to keep him, but doubt Boston is going to be able to pull it off.


Hmm...could be the case. I don’t have a good pulse on them, but it looks like there would be a ton of mutual interest from afar. If they aren’t able to pull it off, it probably means a ton of money for Morris. If he’s leaving, you would have to think it’s for the money and a long term deal.

Ainge is cold blooded. I could see him moving Hayward before he lets Morris walk. Especially if Kyrie is going to stay. There seems to be a have/have not situation going on with him and Morris is definitely one of his guys.
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Post#51 » by BarneyGumble » Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:41 pm

Nobody would trade for Hayward. He's an inconsistent bench player at the moment....someone would need to have LOVED Hayward before his injury, and be convinced he's getting back to that level.....

I dont see it happening.
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Post#52 » by Rauxcee » Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:05 pm

BarneyGumble wrote:Nobody would trade for Hayward. He's an inconsistent bench player at the moment....someone would need to have LOVED Hayward before his injury, and be convinced he's getting back to that level.....

I dont see it happening.


Not to mention his contract is heinous for his production.
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Post#53 » by stitches » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:58 am

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Post#54 » by Rauxcee » Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:37 pm

I'd still like to get Harris.
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Post#55 » by Inigo Montoya » Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:33 pm

I like Harris for the Jazz, but not for over 20M per season.
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Post#56 » by pickIBL » Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:21 pm

My 2 cents would be mirotic and rozier. A rozier/donovan back court would be nice. I'd actally steer clear of parker
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Post#57 » by pickIBL » Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:23 pm

Garry Eagle is real! Just saying... ask phoenix. They'll tell you he plays for dallas.
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Post#58 » by Inigo Montoya » Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:44 pm

pickIBL wrote:Garry Eagle is real! Just saying... ask phoenix. They'll tell you he plays for dallas.

I thought he played for the Knicks.
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Post#59 » by pickIBL » Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:00 pm

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pickIBL wrote:Garry Eagle is real! Just saying... ask phoenix. They'll tell you he plays for dallas.

I thought he played for the Knicks.

Garry is the guy you didn't scout and evaluate correctly because he's a euro and all you remember is skita and darko and forget the context that kwame and the candy man should be providing.You being the stupid owners and gms that passed on or traded luka.
Although i'd still like to see what mario could do for the jazz. They'd bring out the best in him.
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Post#60 » by KqWIN » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:58 pm

Mirotic + Lamb is my wish list.

Also, what are people’s thoughts on Mike Conley for the next two years?

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