Mavericks Discussing Dennis Smith Jr. Trade With Suns, Magic

[Captain_Obvious]

Before anything happens this will probably be a 100+ page thread

Pssshh, the Orlando thread covering this is already 18 pages. Dallas is only at 3!

As a Dallas (Plano) resident, an Orlando native and a lifelong Magic fan I am extremely interested in this move.

I love Johnathan Isaac. He hasn’t put it all together offensively yet but holy hell this kid is going to be a first team defender if he stays healthy. Yes, that is a question mark. But DSjr also has question marks to pair with his exciting potential.

Isaac for DSjr in a straight up swap makes a lot of sense for both sides.

Luka needs a Robin not a ball dominant wannabe star.

Orlando needs a dominant PG.

Just makes too much sense.

You guys have a great board

WeHam unchained...

[MagicFan101]

Before anything happens this will probably be a 100+ page thread

Pssshh, the Orlando thread covering this is already 18 pages. Dallas is only at 3!

As a Dallas (Plano) resident, an Orlando native and a lifelong Magic fan I am extremely interested in this move.

I love Johnathan Isaac. He hasn’t put it all together offensively yet but holy hell this kid is going to be a first team defender if he stays healthy. Yes, that is a question mark. But DSjr also has question marks to pair with his exciting potential.

Isaac for DSjr in a straight up swap makes a lot of sense for both sides.

Luka needs a Robin not a ball dominant wannabe star.

Orlando needs a dominant PG.

Just makes too much sense.

You guys have a great board

WeHam unchained...

We have a very active board which is good. But this is the internet and you can’t escape short sighted, simple minded fools here.

WeHam inherited a horrible roster (which is why the previous GM was fired!) A lot of bad multi-year contracts came with that. But this summer we have a lot of cash coming off the books. We have contracts to move for teams looking for space at the deadline or cap space in the summer. The writing was on the wall. The 2019 trade deadline and / or free agency was really their only option for making major changes ... some fans just expect to turn crap into gold.

[Captain_Obvious]

Pssshh, the Orlando thread covering this is already 18 pages. Dallas is only at 3!

As a Dallas (Plano) resident, an Orlando native and a lifelong Magic fan I am extremely interested in this move.

I love Johnathan Isaac. He hasn’t put it all together offensively yet but holy hell this kid is going to be a first team defender if he stays healthy. Yes, that is a question mark. But DSjr also has question marks to pair with his exciting potential.

Isaac for DSjr in a straight up swap makes a lot of sense for both sides.

Luka needs a Robin not a ball dominant wannabe star.

Orlando needs a dominant PG.

Just makes too much sense.

You guys have a great board

WeHam unchained...

We have a very active board which is good. But this is the internet and you can’t escape short sighted, simple minded fools here.

WeHam inherited a horrible roster (which is why the previous GM was fired!) A lot of bad multi-year contracts came with that. But this summer we have a lot of cash coming off the books. We have contracts to move for teams looking for space at the deadline or cap space in the summer. The writing was on the wall. The 2019 trade deadline and / or free agency was really their only option for making major changes ... some fans just expect to turn crap into gold.

Fans are going to have diverse opinions and that is fine. I really like what WeHam is doing after taking over. It is similar to what we are doing here (a bit more advanced actually), we just got fortunate with Luka.

Dennis has been a very polarizing player so far. Shows flashes and then terrible mistakes. I'm certainly not going to pretend he is gold or a sure thing. Isaac's ballhandling surprised me in the summer league, he is very intriguing all around. To be honest, trading for Dennis is a huge risk. Will his IQ improve? I feel Isaac has more value than Dennis.

[MagicFan101]

You guys have a great board

WeHam unchained...

We have a very active board which is good. But this is the internet and you can’t escape short sighted, simple minded fools here.

WeHam inherited a horrible roster (which is why the previous GM was fired!) A lot of bad multi-year contracts came with that. But this summer we have a lot of cash coming off the books. We have contracts to move for teams looking for space at the deadline or cap space in the summer. The writing was on the wall. The 2019 trade deadline and / or free agency was really their only option for making major changes ... some fans just expect to turn crap into gold.

Fans are going to have diverse opinions and that is fine. I really like what WeHam is doing after taking over. It is similar to what we are doing here (a bit more advanced actually), we just got fortunate with Luka.

Dennis has been a very polarizing player so far. Shows flashes and then terrible mistakes. I'm certainly not going to pretend he is gold or a sure thing. Isaac's ballhandling surprised me in the summer league, he is very intriguing all around. To be honest, trading for Dennis is a huge risk. Will his IQ improve? I feel Isaac has more value than Dennis.

While I agree on DSjr vs. Isaac in a vacuum, and clearly the GM did taking Isaac over DSjr in that draft ... it is never that simple.

Just as DSjr and Luka are struggling to co-exist so to are Isaac and AG. Also, Bamba offers some of the same rediculous length and defense potential as Isaac but at a position better suited to compliment Gordon.

What we desperately need is a great PG.

Can DSjr be that? I don’t know. But I love what coach Steve Clifford did for Kemba Walker. He isn’t a sexy coach but his teams get the basics and that starts with turnovers versus assists. I would love to see what he could do with DSjr because if this kid gets his b-ball IQ in shape ...

[Dirk]

Give your scoop on:

- what is the general consensus on the referenced Magic thread/appetite for DSJ
- Isaac
- Bamba
- Fournier
- Vucevic
- do an essay on the history of English literature

Deadline is Friday, 1PM EST. JK.

[dirkforpres]

Now reports are out that state Dennis didn’t require request a trade and that Cuban and Donnie don’t want to trade him.. Only Carlisle does. I seriously think they should consider a coaching change at this point

[2011Champs]

Now reports are out that state Dennis didn’t require request a trade and that Cuban and Donnie don’t want to trade him.. Only Carlisle does. I seriously think they should consider a coaching change at this point

Way past due. I’d love to see an interim coach named today before Carlisle does more damage to this team. Just go ahead and name Stephen Silas interim coach and conduct a coaching search.

[dirkforpres]

Now reports are out that state Dennis didn’t require request a trade and that Cuban and Donnie don’t want to trade him.. Only Carlisle does. I seriously think they should consider a coaching change at this point

Way past due. I’d love to see an interim coach named today before Carlisle does more damage to this team.

I wish we could get David Blatt. I think he would be perfect

[2011Champs]

Now reports are out that state Dennis didn’t require request a trade and that Cuban and Donnie don’t want to trade him.. Only Carlisle does. I seriously think they should consider a coaching change at this point

Way past due. I’d love to see an interim coach named today before Carlisle does more damage to this team.

I wish we could get David Blatt. I think he would be perfect

He would be good, but I’d immediately name Stephen Silas interim coach.

[Archx]

Guys calm down.. I'm probably the biggest RC critic here but finally he started making adjustments that work. Took him only half of the season but still... better than nothing. And i am 100% sure Cuban and Donnie will sneaky ask Luka how he feels about Rick. Unless majority of players turn on him, Rick is not going anywhere. Their nr1 priority is to make Luka happy like they did with Dirk and as long as those two are on the same page i can't see any change happening except DSJ being gone soon.

[2011Champs]

Guys calm down.. I'm probably the biggest RC critic here but finally he started making adjustments that work. Took him only half of the season but still... better than nothing. And i am 100% sure Cuban and Donnie will sneaky ask Luka how he feels about Rick. Unless majority of players turn on him, Rick is not going anywhere. Their nr1 priority is to make Luka happy like they did with Dirk and as long as those two are on the same page i can't see any change happening except DSJ being gone soon.

Red flags have been raised for years and years with Carlisle and he has gotten a free pass. It’s past time to move on for the future of the franchise. We need to keep SmithJr, trade Wes and part ways with Carlisle. Mavs need to start the Luka era on the right foot, not with some sour, unforgiving coach and his pet players that act exactly the way coach thinks they should act.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Give your scoop on:

- what is the general consensus on the referenced Magic thread/appetite for DSJ
- Isaac
- Bamba
- Fournier -
- Vucevic-
- do an essay on the history of English literature

Deadline is Friday, 1PM EST. JK.

I'll give it a crack as a Magic fan that posts on that board a ton...

- Isaac - Board is I'd say 70/30 on not trading Isaac but that premise is on the hope that Isaac improves enough to play the 3 as AG is clear starting 4. Isaac & AG can play together but it's not very pretty. Right now Clifford staggers lineups where Isaac/AFG don't play a ton together and in crunch time AG is on the floor. Fans are saying WeltHam won't trade Isaac because they drafted him and I think that's shortsighted opinion. If a deal comes up where you can strengthen your team in an area of need and not send out a 1st round pick and not take on multi year money then that's a tough option. While Isaac could definitely grow into a great player the jury is definitely out on if he can make necessary steps to improve his game. Yes he's also only played 60 games so the end of this year and summer will be HUGE for JI.

Bamba - too new to figure out what to do, with Vuc being a FA and likely getting 18-20M offer this offseason trading Bamba would mean Magic would match/offer Vuc a hefty deal

- Fournier - This is the one player that most magic fans would be ok with traded. Fournier is forced to do a ton on this team and IMO it's hurting him as a player. Fournier is a spot up shooter/off screen shooter/cutter and that's where his value is and can explode. Fournier as a ball handler/creator is not his strongest aspect but in Orlando with minimal guards he's asked to handle/create more. He had a little slump this year but the guy just is steady eddy and has been the most consistent player on the Magic the last 4 years. I could see him flourish well playing off ball with Luka.

- Vucevic - I don't see Magic trading Vuc unless a C is coming back. Bamba is not ready to start and while Birch has shown he is capable of playing well Magic would really be in trouble without the All Star candidate.


I'd love to see DSJ in Orlando but I'm not sure both teams will be able to come to an agreement.

[Lowtech801]

Guys calm down.. I'm probably the biggest RC critic here but finally he started making adjustments that work. Took him only half of the season but still... better than nothing. And i am 100% sure Cuban and Donnie will sneaky ask Luka how he feels about Rick. Unless majority of players turn on him, Rick is not going anywhere. Their nr1 priority is to make Luka happy like they did with Dirk and as long as those two are on the same page i can't see any change happening except DSJ being gone soon.

Red flags have been raised for years and years with Carlisle and he has gotten a free pass. It’s past time to move on for the future of the franchise. We need to keep SmithJr, trade Wes and part ways with Carlisle. Mavs need to start the Luka era on the right foot, not with some sour, unforgiving coach and his pet players that act exactly the way coach thinks they should act.

What team is gonna offer anything for wes?

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[arkuo]

Deandre Jordan + Dennis Smith Jr

For

Nikola Vucevic + Jonathan Isaac

I think that does it.

[Lowtech801]

Red flags have been raised for years and years with Carlisle and he has gotten a free pass. It’s past time to move on for the future of the franchise. We need to keep SmithJr, trade Wes and part ways with Carlisle. Mavs need to start the Luka era on the right foot, not with some sour, unforgiving coach and his pet players that act exactly the way coach thinks they should act.

What team is gonna offer anything for wes?

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Bad salary plus a small asset

Why does nobody understand that the mavs likely aren't trading an expiring unless we get better now. How does a bad contract plus asset help? Not a yr or two from now but right now?

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[Captain_Obvious]

Really strange timing with the DJ revelation (unlikely to get multi year extension)

You'd think this can only get leaked from one of Cuban / Donnie / Carlisle.

[arkuo]

Really strange timing with the DJ revelation (unlikely to get multi year extension)

You'd think this can only get leaked from one of Cuban / Donnie / Carlisle.

My best guess is leak is coming from Carlisle who maybe feels his job is in trouble and trying to bring the whole ship down with him. But that is just my guess as Cuban and Donnie are really tight.

Regarding coaching changes, I dont see it happening. However guys like Thibs, Blatt, Ty Lue and SVG are unemployed right now. Anyone else think Coach K would like to move to the NBA?

[Captain_Obvious]

Really strange timing with the DJ revelation (unlikely to get multi year extension)

You'd think this can only get leaked from one of Cuban / Donnie / Carlisle.

My best guess is leak is coming from Carlisle who maybe feels his job is in trouble and trying to bring the whole ship down with him. But that is just my guess as Cuban and Donnie are really tight.

Regarding coaching changes, I dont see it happening. However guys like Thibs, Blatt, Ty Lue and SVG are unemployed right now. Anyone else think Coach K would like to move to the NBA?

After reading the linked article this seems really fake without any actual sources

NBA sources said they do not believe the Mavs will offer Jordan a multi-year deal after his contract expires in the offseason, which is what both he and his agent will want.

[arkuo]

Times like these you need a Larry Brown type of coach. If he can work around Allen Iverson and that crazy ego of his, then he can mold DSJ into whatever he wants.

Carlisle strikes me as a hard nose drill sargeant type of motivator who doesnt treat NBA players as kids anymore. Anytime you're old enough to sign a contract for yourself he expects you to show up at work and suck it up. Which is true to a certain extent. It's also no surprise that its the older and more professional players who get that setup and the same ones who get favored with more playing time. Just my two cents.

[jpengland]

Really strange timing with the DJ revelation (unlikely to get multi year extension)

You'd think this can only get leaked from one of Cuban / Donnie / Carlisle.

My best guess is leak is coming from Carlisle who maybe feels his job is in trouble and trying to bring the whole ship down with him. But that is just my guess as Cuban and Donnie are really tight.

Regarding coaching changes, I dont see it happening. However guys like Thibs, Blatt, Ty Lue and SVG are unemployed right now. Anyone else think Coach K would like to move to the NBA?

Why would Rick Carlisle try to bring the ship down?!?

If Carlisle walked, he would have job offers immediately and could pretty much pick his franchise come the offseason. Hes universally regarded as a top 5 coach in the league.

As for replacing him, you think RC is set in his ways but you would advocate Thibs or SVG? Christ...