atlantabbq99 wrote:I called Barrett a Justice Winslow version 2.0 before the season even started, and the season has proven me right. The only difference between Justice Winslow and RJ Barrett is FG attempts.
Barrett is not worth a lottery pick. His over hype makes him tradeable which is the only positive i see in taking the guy and trading him on draft night.
1. I hear what you're saying. But I see 22 year old Justise as an above avg starter still years away from his prime.
Spoiler:
Justise Winslow’s new life as a Miami Heat point guard
Heat point guard Justise Winslow is the latest example of a player to emerge following a significant role change.
Winslow is averaging 15.1 points and 5.2 assists and only 2.0 turnovers since December 7, the date of his first 20-point game of the season.
Winslow is still only 22, and he’s defending multiple positions, making plays for others, initiating the offense, and scoring well. He’s also hit 38.4 percent of his past 250 attempts from 3, so he’s not a liability off the ball. With just a tweak to his role, Winslow is finally emerging as the two-way player that many analysts anticipated.
2. RJ Barrett is an elite scorer with terrible shot selection. He needs to be better coached and have the reigns pulled back a bit. But he is a beast and has the potential to be an elite offensive weapon.
And seriously, watch Justise as the new starting PG for Miami. He's been pretty great of late.
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Point Winslow: How Justise Is Remaking His Reputation by Slowing Down the Heat
By replacing the injured Goran Dragic at the point, Miami’s young defensive stalwart has finally added some offensive spark to his game
Throughout Justise Winslow’s four-year career, he’s carried the same reputation as the young Kawhi: advanced defensively, but underdeveloped on the other end.
What’s different about Winslow this season, other than being on the floor in crunch time at all, is that he shouldered that burden comfortably. In the month of December, the ball (and the Heat’s fate) have been in Winslow’s hands more than ever before.
Winslow’s individual scoring is at a career best. In December, he averaged 14.4 points on 49.2 percent shooting overall and 45.3 percent from the perimeter. His touch is beginning to show refinement; he’s hitting midrange jumpers and taking more 3s, but he’s also sinking floaters and improved his finishing around the rim. As much as Miami has bent toward his pace, he’s also conformed to the team’s original identity: effective drive-and-kick.
2019 NBA Draft Big Board: RJ Barrett Is Still Zion Williamson's Biggest Threat
No. 1 and No. 2 remain the same, but the next tier of prospects is fluid, and a new name has suddenly popped up at No. 3.
No. 3. Jarrett Culver (Texas Tech, SG, Sophomore)
Jarrett Culver's 25-point game against Duke helped validate the breakout play earlier in the season. And he continues to build on it, recently going for 23 points and 13 rebounds on 13 shots against Oklahoma. Culver is solidifying himself as a Tier-2 prospect, even making a case for consideration as the No. 3 player in this draft. His three-ball hasn't fallen the the past four games. Instead of trying to shoot out of the slump, Culver has gone to the free-throw line 27 times in that span, showing off an improved off-the-dribble game that scouts were asking to see before the season.
He's taken a step forward as a creator, using his long strides, change of speed and length to separate.
Culver isn't an explosive athlete, which raises questions about the height of his ceiling. But his floor comes off as one of the highest in the class, given his NBA tools, shooting stroke, passing and defense.
Ranking in the 92nd percentile as a pick-and-roll ball-handler and 89th percentile out of isolation, Culver is clearly a tougher scorer and more threatening playmaker. He's doubled last year's assist rate to 30.4 percent.
His pull-up game is stronger as well, with Culver shooting 42.3 percent on pull-up jumpers off a high release point.
His weaker transition numbers point to that limited explosion that could make teams question how well he'll separate and finish against NBA defenders.
With Reddish struggling and Bol out for the season, RJ Barrett's grip on the No. 2 spot feels secure, especially after his 32-point game against Florida State on Saturday.
Barrett appears to be making more of an effort to find his teammates, and against Wake Forest, he showed off his passing skills with seven assists. There are still instances when he gives into the urges and forces tough finishes in traffic. But in terms of actual ability, Barrett is starting to show his potential to suck in defenses and set up teammates.
On the downside, he's still at 33.3 percent from three and 64.9 percent from the free-throw line. He'll make shots with enough attempts, but his shooting touch isn't right yet.
Averaging 23.4 points, Barrett continues to score in a variety of ways each game. He's still best in transition, but his pull-up game has also been encouraging.
Barrett has struggled to execute off his own creativity, however, totaling just 42 points on 60 possessions combined of pick-and-roll ball-handling and isolation scoring. He's also shooting 49.4 percent at the rim, often showing little finesse.
Seeing us struggle with Simmons and Giannis in the last couple of weeks, I am really enamored with this guy. He's young and raw, but has 2-way potential and could be a steal. His ceiling seems like Lamar Odom or Pascal Siakam. He seems capable of guarding the giant freaks in the East while putting up solid production on the other end.
(Athletic, good defender, strong finisher in transition, solid offensive play.)
Sekou Doumbouya is the name scouts mention when talking about international prospects who can crash 2019's top five.
Off to a slow start this year in France, Doumbouya looks his age (18) against pros. But it's also still easy to see why NBA teams track him closely.
At 6'9", he's impressive physically and athletically, particularly for a face-up forward who's flashed outside shot-making and off-the-dribble maneuvering. However, at this early stage of his development, he's most useful for his transition finishing and defensive versatility.
Without offensive polish or a high-usage role, by draft night, Doumbouya will be all potential with minimal production when analyzed under the NBA's scouting lens.
2019 NBA Draft Big Board: RJ Barrett Is Still Zion Williamson's Biggest Threat
No. 1 and No. 2 remain the same, but the next tier of prospects is fluid, and a new name has suddenly popped up at No. 3.
No. 3. Jarrett Culver (Texas Tech, SG, Sophomore)
Jarrett Culver's 25-point game against Duke helped validate the breakout play earlier in the season. And he continues to build on it, recently going for 23 points and 13 rebounds on 13 shots against Oklahoma. Culver is solidifying himself as a Tier-2 prospect, even making a case for consideration as the No. 3 player in this draft. His three-ball hasn't fallen the the past four games. Instead of trying to shoot out of the slump, Culver has gone to the free-throw line 27 times in that span, showing off an improved off-the-dribble game that scouts were asking to see before the season.
He's taken a step forward as a creator, using his long strides, change of speed and length to separate.
Culver isn't an explosive athlete, which raises questions about the height of his ceiling. But his floor comes off as one of the highest in the class, given his NBA tools, shooting stroke, passing and defense.
Ranking in the 92nd percentile as a pick-and-roll ball-handler and 89th percentile out of isolation, Culver is clearly a tougher scorer and more threatening playmaker. He's doubled last year's assist rate to 30.4 percent.
His pull-up game is stronger as well, with Culver shooting 42.3 percent on pull-up jumpers off a high release point.
His weaker transition numbers point to that limited explosion that could make teams question how well he'll separate and finish against NBA defenders.
atlantabbq99 wrote:I'm a Zion hater, but after the 3 game Canada tour, i'm kind of coming around. I'm still not buying the over hype on Zion just because of the youtube dunks, but his body control has been impressive. I still consider him a weak prospect in a weak draft but he could be worth the pick for the Hawks if nobody better is left on the board.
RJ Barrett on the other hand, came in as #1 prospect of the draft, but after watching the 3 Canada games, I wouldn't waste a lottery pick on the guy, his jump shot and shooting looks so bad, he is Evan Turner or Justice Winslow bust level.
I called Barrett a Justice Winslow version 2.0 before the season even started, and the season has proven me right. The only difference between Justice Winslow and RJ Barrett is FG attempts. Barrett is not worth a lottery pick. His over hype makes him tradeable which is the only positive i see in taking the guy and trading him on draft night.
He does not strike me as a Travis Schlenk type player. Honestly, outside of of Zion I'm not sure about anybody in this draft.
Jaxson Hayes’ superior athleticism could launch him into the top-20
Sometimes a prospect just very obviously is what he is. The translation to the NBA is simple.
Texas freshman center Jaxson Hayes falls into this category. The scouting report on him going into every game is obvious. You know what he brings to the table. It’s a simple job that requires athleticism, hard work, feel for the game and an innate sense of timing.
“I’m a shot blocker who plays above the rim,” Hayes told The Athletic. “I clean things up on the defensive end. Kinda like a Clint Capela, DeAndre Jordan, Jarrett Allen type. Like Jarrett Allen with the shot-blocking, DeAndre playing with pick-and-rolls, I do stuff like that.”
Hayes is your patented low-usage, defensive-minded center. He’s still a bit of a project due to his relative inexperience and youth. But while most center prospects should be rightfully devalued in an NBA that has become increasingly perimeter-based, I’m not sure Hayes is the kind of player that should be discounted. The 6-foot-11, 225-pound 19-year-old with a monster 7-4 wingspan and a frame that looks tailor-made for adding strength as he gets older is the kind of big man that every NBA team is looking for.
Nowadays, centers have to be comfortable switching out onto NBA guards and sliding with them for multiple steps. Possessing terrific footwork and great reaction time, Hayes has already showcased a penchant for being able to guard away from the basket.
Jaxson Hayes’ superior athleticism could launch him into the top-20
Sometimes a prospect just very obviously is what he is. The translation to the NBA is simple.
Texas freshman center Jaxson Hayes falls into this category. The scouting report on him going into every game is obvious. You know what he brings to the table. It’s a simple job that requires athleticism, hard work, feel for the game and an innate sense of timing.
“I’m a shot blocker who plays above the rim,” Hayes told The Athletic. “I clean things up on the defensive end. Kinda like a Clint Capela, DeAndre Jordan, Jarrett Allen type. Like Jarrett Allen with the shot-blocking, DeAndre playing with pick-and-rolls, I do stuff like that.”
Hayes is your patented low-usage, defensive-minded center. He’s still a bit of a project due to his relative inexperience and youth. But while most center prospects should be rightfully devalued in an NBA that has become increasingly perimeter-based, I’m not sure Hayes is the kind of player that should be discounted. The 6-foot-11, 225-pound 19-year-old with a monster 7-4 wingspan and a frame that looks tailor-made for adding strength as he gets older is the kind of big man that every NBA team is looking for.
Nowadays, centers have to be comfortable switching out onto NBA guards and sliding with them for multiple steps. Possessing terrific footwork and great reaction time, Hayes has already showcased a penchant for being able to guard away from the basket.
Spud2nique wrote:I’m not in love with this guy’s mechanics..jontay over him for me...Clarke over him for me as well.
He looks like he could be a surefire bust. Lol.
Interesting. And noted. I don't know nearly enough about the kid to have a strong opinion either way.
I'll definitely pay more attention moving forward.
To be honest I don’t either but I didn’t like the lack of hustle, the speed overall, body language seemed like he wasn’t fired up. I dunno, don’t hold it against me if he’s a star, just didn’t love some highlights. I may be dead wrong, prolly am. Lol.
Spud2nique wrote:I’m not in love with this guy’s mechanics..jontay over him for me...Clarke over him for me as well.
He looks like he could be a surefire bust. Lol.
Interesting. And noted. I don't know nearly enough about this kid to have a strong opinion either way.
I'll definitely pay more attention moving forward.
I wouldnt call him a sure fire bust. But if youre looking for a raw long athletic big man in this draft (like a Jarrett Allen), he is your best bet. Daniel Gafford is another one, but I dont like his defensive instincts as much as Hayes. But if youre looking for just a pick and pop rim protector, Konate from WVU could be it. He is smaller but has elite timing when it comes to shot blocking and was showing good touch on his 3pt shot before being out with an injury.
Spud2nique wrote:I’m not in love with this guy’s mechanics..jontay over him for me...Clarke over him for me as well.
He looks like he could be a surefire bust. Lol.
Interesting. And noted. I don't know nearly enough about this kid to have a strong opinion either way.
I'll definitely pay more attention moving forward.
I wouldnt call him a sure fire bust. But if youre looking for a raw long athletic big man in this draft (like a Jarrett Allen), he is your best bet. Daniel Gafford is another one, but I dont like his defensive instincts as much as Hayes. But if youre looking for just a pick and pop rim protector, Konate from WVU could be it. He is smaller but has elite timing when it comes to shot blocking and was showing good touch on his 3pt shot before being out with an injury.
Konate has some Michael Sweetney going on..both in game and bodytype. Let’s hope it end better for him. He needs that Omari program for sure. Gafford I liked a bit since last year but cooled on him a bit. Some of these guys that can’t adjust are turning into dinosaurs...like Caleb in Portland. How’s he doing?
Interesting. And noted. I don't know nearly enough about this kid to have a strong opinion either way.
I'll definitely pay more attention moving forward.
I wouldnt call him a sure fire bust. But if youre looking for a raw long athletic big man in this draft (like a Jarrett Allen), he is your best bet. Daniel Gafford is another one, but I dont like his defensive instincts as much as Hayes. But if youre looking for just a pick and pop rim protector, Konate from WVU could be it. He is smaller but has elite timing when it comes to shot blocking and was showing good touch on his 3pt shot before being out with an injury.
Konate has some Michael Sweetney going on..both in game and bodytype. Let’s hope it end better for him. He needs that Omari program for sure. Gafford I liked a bit since last year but cooled on him a bit. Some of these guys that can’t adjust are turning into dinosaurs...like Caleb in Portland. How’s he doing?
Ya honestly you got slim pickings in this draft when it comes to bigs. Next year you got Wiseman, but after that you have your old style bigs with Stewart and Carey who dont really seem like ideal bigs in todays game. Last year was the hotbed for bigs, stacked in the top 10 and even had high risk high reward guys like Robert Williams and Mitchell Robinson late. This year really doesnt have that. This is definitely a wing heavy draft through and through. I mean if youre just looking for a versatile big defender.
Brandon Clarke is the best defender in this class. But at 6'8 he isnt going to be the guy you want starting at the 5.
Duke4life831 wrote: I wouldnt call him a sure fire bust. But if youre looking for a raw long athletic big man in this draft (like a Jarrett Allen), he is your best bet. Daniel Gafford is another one, but I dont like his defensive instincts as much as Hayes. But if youre looking for just a pick and pop rim protector, Konate from WVU could be it. He is smaller but has elite timing when it comes to shot blocking and was showing good touch on his 3pt shot before being out with an injury.
Konate has some Michael Sweetney going on..both in game and bodytype. Let’s hope it end better for him. He needs that Omari program for sure. Gafford I liked a bit since last year but cooled on him a bit. Some of these guys that can’t adjust are turning into dinosaurs...like Caleb in Portland. How’s he doing?
Ya honestly you got slim pickings in this draft when it comes to bigs. Next year you got Wiseman, but after that you have your old style bigs with Stewart and Carey who dont really seem like ideal bigs in todays game. Last year was the hotbed for bigs, stacked in the top 10 and even had high risk high reward guys like Robert Williams and Mitchell Robinson late. This year really doesnt have that. This is definitely a wing heavy draft through and through. I mean if youre just looking for a versatile big defender.
Brandon Clarke is the best defender in this class. But at 6'8 he isnt going to be the guy you want starting at the 5.
Konate has some Michael Sweetney going on..both in game and bodytype. Let’s hope it end better for him. He needs that Omari program for sure. Gafford I liked a bit since last year but cooled on him a bit. Some of these guys that can’t adjust are turning into dinosaurs...like Caleb in Portland. How’s he doing?
Ya honestly you got slim pickings in this draft when it comes to bigs. Next year you got Wiseman, but after that you have your old style bigs with Stewart and Carey who dont really seem like ideal bigs in todays game. Last year was the hotbed for bigs, stacked in the top 10 and even had high risk high reward guys like Robert Williams and Mitchell Robinson late. This year really doesnt have that. This is definitely a wing heavy draft through and through. I mean if youre just looking for a versatile big defender.
Brandon Clarke is the best defender in this class. But at 6'8 he isnt going to be the guy you want starting at the 5.
Thoughts on Fernando?
I see a Samaki Walker/Taj Gibson type. A strong ready nba body but moves that can and will most likely be bested in the pros. I’m not loving him for our fit. I still like Clarke and Porter more for us.
LunchBox21 wrote:Watching Iowa Sate @ TT.. Culver is so good. I wish he was unleashed more on this team.
I think we were watching two different games, because I thought that Culver looked horrible and got out played by Shayok. I posted this on the draft board that i'm not a fan of Culver and watching him tonight, it was so frustrating watching him shoot free throws and jack up alot of bad and selfish shots
Konate has some Michael Sweetney going on..both in game and bodytype. Let’s hope it end better for him. He needs that Omari program for sure. Gafford I liked a bit since last year but cooled on him a bit. Some of these guys that can’t adjust are turning into dinosaurs...like Caleb in Portland. How’s he doing?
Ya honestly you got slim pickings in this draft when it comes to bigs. Next year you got Wiseman, but after that you have your old style bigs with Stewart and Carey who dont really seem like ideal bigs in todays game. Last year was the hotbed for bigs, stacked in the top 10 and even had high risk high reward guys like Robert Williams and Mitchell Robinson late. This year really doesnt have that. This is definitely a wing heavy draft through and through. I mean if youre just looking for a versatile big defender.
Brandon Clarke is the best defender in this class. But at 6'8 he isnt going to be the guy you want starting at the 5.
Thoughts on Fernando?
I think he will be around for awhile but not an impact player. Not identical games but I kind of expect an Ian Mahinmi kind of career. I think he can be your big strong big you bring off your bench (think Baynes for Boston). He isn't going to bring you any offense, I don't see big time shot blocker either. Just a big strong body that will play solid defense for 15-20 minutes.
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