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Re: Danilo Gallinari only player in the NBA to add value to all play types, offense+defense 

Post#61 » by Galloisdaman » Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:03 pm

QRich3 wrote:If you proposed that trade 4 months ago most people would tell you the Clippers would have to add a 1st to dump his dead salary. I did not think he had negative value then, and I don't think he has allstar value now. A young wing with great defensive potential like MKG and a 2nd, along with some salary relief, is good value for Gallo. You'll struggle to find something better than that without taking bad salary in exchange.

And as stated, if you keep him, you risk him getting injured again and no one offering positive value at all. With the upside being 8th-10th seed in a meaningless year.


MKG will be 26 years old before next season. He is already in his 7th year and is averaging less than 8 points per game. The Clippers can do a lot better IMO. A 2nd never hurts but they are not any big deal. You can buy them cheap as another poster pointed out.
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Post#62 » by QRich3 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:21 pm

Dismissing 2nd rounders as if you could just buy them whenever you want is a mistake, you can buy one a year at most, and the ones you can buy are lower every year cause no one wants to sell one in the 30's anymore.

And MKG might be 25, but Gallo is 30, with a worse injury history, and makes twice as much money. He's having the season of his life, but I wouldn't bet on Gallo staying healthy and giving you on offense what MKG will give you on defense next season.

Anyway, that was just an example of the type of trade you could expect, I'm not really obsessed with that one in particular, but any trade like that would be nice from my POV.
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Post#63 » by Galloisdaman » Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:36 pm

QRich3 wrote:Dismissing 2nd rounders as if you could just buy them whenever you want is a mistake, you can buy one a year at most, and the ones you can buy are lower every year cause no one wants to sell one in the 30's anymore.

And MKG might be 25, but Gallo is 30, with a worse injury history, and makes twice as much money. He's having the season of his life, but I wouldn't bet on Gallo staying healthy and giving you on offense what MKG will give you on defense next season.

Anyway, that was just an example of the type of trade you could expect, I'm not really obsessed with that one in particular, but any trade like that would be nice from my POV.


My point about MKG is not to say he is old. My point is that he is already in his 7th year. That by this time players have usually shown you what they will become so looking at him as young high potential player is a bit strange IMO. If you would be happy with MKG and a 2nd round pick that is fine. I'd be shocked if the Clippers would settle for that though.
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Post#64 » by donemilio21 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:43 pm

IMO opinion selling while a players stock is high is a good strategy unless a) you are playing for a championship right now b) he is your cornerstone/franchise player that you are building around.
Boston is going into 2019 draft with 4 potential 1st round picks. Three of those came from trading mediocre players while their stocks were high. Now they are in position to use those to either bring in cheap depth in the draft or trade them for a star.
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Sticking with the Rooster for Now 

Post#65 » by Ranma » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:49 pm

Going into this season, I was trying to lead the charge to trade Gallo because of concerns about his injury history and with the intent to clear enough cap space to sign 2 max-level free agents and retain Tobias. However, as you guys may have already read from my fairly recent postings, I've since changed my stance on trading Gallo.

He's far from untouchable and his susceptibility to injury will always be a lingering concern, but given the anticipated options available for this summer in free agency, I find the appeal of signing Kawhi and adding him to the Tobias-Gallo pairing to be more attractive or--to be more apt--realistic than signing Kawhi and Durant.

Obviously, the Clippers organization will not hesitate to sign both Kawhi and Durant if given the opportunity. Plus, signing those two would still allow for retaining either Gallo or Tobias to go along with that dynamic duo. So why would I be angling for the former scenario instead of the latter?

Personally, I buy into the buzz that Kawhi and Durant have some animosity between them. Kawhi likely feels disrespected by Durant and Durant probably doesn't see Kawhi at his level. This is based on reporting from interviews with Windhorst and others. Now things could smooth over once Jerry West gets in a room with the both of them since the Logo impressively managed the Kobe-Shaq feud, but I'm not counting on that.

Futhermore, I have higher aims in hoping to acquire Anthony Davis. That's probably unrealistic but once Durant and/or Kawhi is acquired, it's unlikely that either would be dealt for the Brow, especially given how Griffin was shipped out after signing his extension. Another factor is that I just don't want to deal with Durant's ego and constant need to be recognized. Yeah, he deserves it and there are worse prima donnas out there, but KD's histrionics have left me rooting against him rather than for him. And this is coming from a guy who was championing him as the best player in the league over LeBron a few years ago.

Of course, it's not a deal-breaker if we somehow remarkably signed both Durant and Kawhi, but I'd really like to see what Kawhi can do with Tobias and Gallo flanking him. All three players are really easy to root for and would form quite a winning trio with each complimenting each other well. The problem is Gallo's advancing age and history of injuries have him close to producing diminishing returns, so his long-term value is not as stable.

At this point, I'm more interested in retaining Gallo with another season left on his contract rather than dumping it for a marginal return. Gallo could conceivably be a part of something special albeit in the short term, but unless we need to trade one or the other or both in order to acquire Anthony Davis, I'd like to hold onto both Gallo and Tobias for right now. I feel that we have more likely paths to success by holding onto them for now.

Such plans could certainly derail easily given that Tobias could leave free and clear as an unrestricted free agent, Gallo could get hurt again, and we could totally strike out in not signing Kawhi, Durant or even Jimmy Butler in free agency. Still, there are inherent risks in every plan and I find that staying on the current course that West, Frank & the rest of the front office has us on is the best approach to take for now.
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Post#66 » by QRich3 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:25 am

Galloisdaman wrote:My point about MKG is not to say he is old. My point is that he is already in his 7th year. That by this time players have usually shown you what they will become so looking at him as young high potential player is a bit strange IMO. If you would be happy with MKG and a 2nd round pick that is fine. I'd be shocked if the Clippers would settle for that though.

I spoke about his defensive potential and yeah, he does have 1st team all-defense potential, cause at his peak, he's showed that ability in the league already. His role's just been all over the place.

My main point is this season doesn't matter, that will become clear very soon, and Gallo will not give you much after it. A 25 year old guy can give you some for a few years, even if it's just a role as 7th man or something like that. If you can cash that in for a guy like Gallo that might be back to an albatross contract any time now, you should do it. But apparently, according to Kevin Arnovitz who usually knows how the Clippers think, the FO loves the current roster very much, so I don't know what to think about what they're gonna do.
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Post#67 » by Galloisdaman » Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:21 pm

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Galloisdaman wrote:My point about MKG is not to say he is old. My point is that he is already in his 7th year. That by this time players have usually shown you what they will become so looking at him as young high potential player is a bit strange IMO. If you would be happy with MKG and a 2nd round pick that is fine. I'd be shocked if the Clippers would settle for that though.

I spoke about his defensive potential and yeah, he does have 1st team all-defense potential, cause at his peak, he's showed that ability in the league already. His role's just been all over the place.

My main point is this season doesn't matter, that will become clear very soon, and Gallo will not give you much after it. A 25 year old guy can give you some for a few years, even if it's just a role as 7th man or something like that. If you can cash that in for a guy like Gallo that might be back to an albatross contract any time now, you should do it. But apparently, according to Kevin Arnovitz who usually knows how the Clippers think, the FO loves the current roster very much, so I don't know what to think about what they're gonna do.


I just feel you would be selling low for MKG and a 2nd. In 7 seasons since being the #2 pick the guy has been given plenty of chances. While he is a very good defender he is still would be a bench player on many teams due to lack of shooting. He makes around 13 mill. He has a player option next season. He could opt out but probably will not because it is doubtful anyone else will pay him 13 mill. So is deal is the same length as Gallo's. So do you make the trade just to gain 9 mill in cap room? Gallo is well known and liked around the league. FA would be more attracted to coming to a winning Clippers team with Gallo than a tanking Clippers team IMO.

Gallo will be fine trade or no trade. He might even win a ring if traded BUT the last thing the Clippers should do is just give away a legit asset. If a trade is to be made at least get fair value.
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Gallinari Conundrum 

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