2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2)

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Who do you think are the best two rookies?

Ayton
147
18%
Bagley
12
1%
Bamba
6
1%
Carter
15
2%
Doncic
424
51%
Gilgeous-Alexander
18
2%
Jackson
159
19%
Knox
18
2%
Sexton
6
1%
Young
20
2%
 
Total votes: 825

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Post#1781 » by Archx » Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:36 pm

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I don’t won’t to change anybody’s opinion. I have just written down some facts, you can do with them whatever you want. It’s kinda strange that you blame Luka’s teammates for Mavs loosing record and using totally different standards for JJJ. Believe me nobody is trading JJJ for Huerter. Not now and not ever.


You are a pro at steering away the conversation and talking about some things that are out of the context. What do Mavs have to do with any of this? :D I always said i like Barnes and everyone else except Wesley, he is a terrible SG and a very dumb player ....But let's put what it into a perspective. Last 5 games Barnes is their 2nd best guy with 17/4 on 30% FG and 30% 3pt shooting. Luka is what? 27/7/6 ? 46% FG and 38% 3pt. And most of their loses are very close games. Who am i going to blame then? Isn't that something 99% of Mavs fans are doing all over the internet already? Or is it Doncic's fault because he is already playing like an all star.

Again i am not holding JJJ to a different standard, i merely said IN MY OPINION Trae and Huerter are better right now than JJJ. I am not saying that you are wrong or that anyone else is wrong, i merely pointed out how i feel.


You opened that debate saying that JJJ’s defense is not winning anything. I just showed you analogy with Luka and AD.

Huerter’s far the best month is January and his per36 numbers in January are pretty modest 13.5/3.7/3.4. And for sure not enough to surpass JJJ.


"JJJ has cooled off quite significantly" and "It's not like they are winning more games because of that or am i wrong?".... I never said his defense is completely meaningless. You didn't even read further why i said what i said. I did explain my reasoning. And i'll try to explain again.
In today's game offense is valued more than defense. That's why i think Young and Huerter have bigger impact in ATL than JJJ has with the Grizz.... I'm exhausted, hopefully you get it now.
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#1782 » by 3toheadmelo » Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:39 pm

Ayton with 15 points 17 rebounds 2 blocks 2 steals last night. his defense is so much better compared to when the season started. he also should’ve had 30 points last night. it’s a shame no one passed him the ball in the second half. suns need a PG in the worst way
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Post#1783 » by Bob8 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:51 pm

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You are a pro at steering away the conversation and talking about some things that are out of the context. What do Mavs have to do with any of this? :D I always said i like Barnes and everyone else except Wesley, he is a terrible SG and a very dumb player ....But let's put what it into a perspective. Last 5 games Barnes is their 2nd best guy with 17/4 on 30% FG and 30% 3pt shooting. Luka is what? 27/7/6 ? 46% FG and 38% 3pt. And most of their loses are very close games. Who am i going to blame then? Isn't that something 99% of Mavs fans are doing all over the internet already? Or is it Doncic's fault because he is already playing like an all star.

Again i am not holding JJJ to a different standard, i merely said IN MY OPINION Trae and Huerter are better right now than JJJ. I am not saying that you are wrong or that anyone else is wrong, i merely pointed out how i feel.


You opened that debate saying that JJJ’s defense is not winning anything. I just showed you analogy with Luka and AD.

Huerter’s far the best month is January and his per36 numbers in January are pretty modest 13.5/3.7/3.4. And for sure not enough to surpass JJJ.


"JJJ has cooled off quite significantly" and "It's not like they are winning more games because of that or am i wrong?".... I never said his defense is completely meaningless. You didn't even read further why i said what i said. I did explain my reasoning. And i'll try to explain again.
In today's game offense is valued more than defense. That's why i think Young and Huerter have bigger impact in ATL than JJJ has with the Grizz.... I'm exhausted, hopefully you get it now.


1. JJJ didn’t cooled off, his January numbers are much better than in December and very similar than in November. Grizzlies cooled off not him.
2. Huerter has almost all stats worse than JJJ. Raw and advanced. The only comparable stats are in January mostly because he played 38 minutes per game.
3. Grizzlies still have 5 wins more, playing in more difficult conference.
4. Defense is for sure very important even in today’s Nba.
5. That’s only my opinion. JJJ being the youngest rookie and having some great attributes is prime candidate, together with Luka, to become the best player in this class.
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#1784 » by Bob8 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:58 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:Ayton with 15 points 17 rebounds 2 blocks 2 steals last night. his defense is so much better compared to when the season started. he also should’ve had 30 points last night. it’s a shame no one passed him the ball in the second half. suns need a PG in the worst way


I’m hearing that DSJ is cheap nowadays.
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Post#1785 » by twomangame » Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:20 pm

Can someone explain why JJJ has seemingly sub-par rebounding numbers? I've only watched a couple of Memphis games.
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Post#1786 » by 3toheadmelo » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:06 pm

Bob8 wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:Ayton with 15 points 17 rebounds 2 blocks 2 steals last night. his defense is so much better compared to when the season started. he also should’ve had 30 points last night. it’s a shame no one passed him the ball in the second half. suns need a PG in the worst way


I’m hearing that DSJ is cheap nowadays.

yeah I think Phoenix should go after him for sure. he would be their best PG by far.
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Post#1787 » by LukaV » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:54 pm

I recently changed my 2nd vote from JJJ to Ayton, he has improved a lot and has been playing great.
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#1788 » by Archx » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:00 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
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3toheadmelo wrote:Ayton with 15 points 17 rebounds 2 blocks 2 steals last night. his defense is so much better compared to when the season started. he also should’ve had 30 points last night. it’s a shame no one passed him the ball in the second half. suns need a PG in the worst way


I’m hearing that DSJ is cheap nowadays.

yeah I think Phoenix should go after him for sure. he would be their best PG by far.



Suns already have problems with the ball movement when Booker is on the floor, DSJ likes to play ISO as well, so in theory it would work but in practice i don't think so. Unless you want to completely shut out Ayton.
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Post#1789 » by 3toheadmelo » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:08 pm

Archx wrote:
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I’m hearing that DSJ is cheap nowadays.

yeah I think Phoenix should go after him for sure. he would be their best PG by far.



Suns already have problems with the ball movement when Booker is on the floor, DSJ likes to play ISO as well, so in theory it would work but in practice i don't think so. Unless you want to completely shut out Ayton.

i think DSJ is a better passer than he is credited for imo. he would def make things easier for Ayton in my eyes. he can’t be worse than Melton or the other phx guards
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#1790 » by King Ken » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:59 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
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3toheadmelo wrote:yeah I think Phoenix should go after him for sure. he would be their best PG by far.



Suns already have problems with the ball movement when Booker is on the floor, DSJ likes to play ISO as well, so in theory it would work but in practice i don't think so. Unless you want to completely shut out Ayton.

i think DSJ is a better passer than he is credited for imo. he would def make things easier for Ayton in my eyes. he can’t be worse than Melton or the other phx guards

He is not cheap. Dallas wants comp value. They aren't giving him away for an early 2nd
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#1791 » by Young gun 6 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:52 pm

It’s arguable for Young over JJJ now, quote easily could have either one ahead of the other for their rookie seasons...but Huerter ahead of JJJ, no way, not yet.

Kurucs has been better than Huerter and is closer than to overtaking JJJ than Huerter is.
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Post#1792 » by King Ken » Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:14 pm

Young gun 6 wrote:It’s arguable for Young over JJJ now, quote easily could have either one ahead of the other for their rookie seasons...but Huerter ahead of JJJ, no way, not yet.

Kurucs has been better than Huerter and is closer than to overtaking JJJ than Huerter is.

You sure?

I don't think it's close.

JJJ will always be overrated like Brandan Wright. His style of play lleads to great stats and analytics but when I watch him play, he is not impressive. Little in between game. His defense isnt all that either. He fouls too much and takes risk like he's Josh Smith.
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-rookie-power-rankings-luka-doncic-continues-all-star-play-trae-young-kevin-huerter-lead-surprising-hawks/

Kevin is pretty damn good. Like Klay, his stats don't say his impact.

https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2019/1/17/18173624/kevin-huerter-trae-young-atlanta-hawks-backcourt-future-nba-draft-rookies-shooting-defense-offense
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#1793 » by juanc » Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:14 pm

If you guys have ever wondered why Luka is into Jennifer aniston, here's the reason :lol: :lol:

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Post#1794 » by Bob8 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:16 pm

King Ken wrote:
Young gun 6 wrote:It’s arguable for Young over JJJ now, quote easily could have either one ahead of the other for their rookie seasons...but Huerter ahead of JJJ, no way, not yet.

Kurucs has been better than Huerter and is closer than to overtaking JJJ than Huerter is.

You sure?

I don't think it's close.

JJJ will always be overrated like Brandan Wright. His style of play lleads to great stats and analytics but when I watch him play, he is not impressive. Little in between game. His defense isnt all that either. He fouls too much and takes risk like he's Josh Smith.
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-rookie-power-rankings-luka-doncic-continues-all-star-play-trae-young-kevin-huerter-lead-surprising-hawks/


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Post#1795 » by stoo » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:48 pm

juanc wrote:If you guys have ever wondered why Luka is into Jennifer aniston, here's the reason :lol: :lol:

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Post#1796 » by nolang1 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:08 pm

twomangame wrote:Can someone explain why JJJ has seemingly sub-par rebounding numbers? I've only watched a couple of Memphis games.


Not the best hands, has a tendency to chase blocks, not concerned with stat-padding uncontested rebounds, spends a lot of time guarding stretch players. He wasn't the greatest rebounder in college either.
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Post#1797 » by Young gun 6 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:25 pm

juanc wrote:If you guys have ever wondered why Luka is into Jennifer aniston, here's the reason :lol: :lol:

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I think it’s because she looks a lot like his mum! Haha
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Post#1798 » by twomangame » Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:04 pm

nolang1 wrote:Not the best hands, has a tendency to chase blocks, not concerned with stat-padding uncontested rebounds, spends a lot of time guarding stretch players. He wasn't the greatest rebounder in college either.


It's just kinda off because he's a bulky 6'11 dude listed as PF/C.
Makes some sense now especially the tendency to chase blocks and guarding stretch players parts. Thanks for that.
Still, I think he could work on improving that facet. Memphis are one of the worst rebounding teams currently.
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Post#1799 » by StringerBell » Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:10 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:Ayton with 15 points 17 rebounds 2 blocks 2 steals last night. his defense is so much better compared to when the season started. he also should’ve had 30 points last night. it’s a shame no one passed him the ball in the second half. suns need a PG in the worst way


Hadn't seen much of Ayton until last night, and he's gonna be a serious problem out west for a long time. If Phoenix can land Ja Morant in the draft, makes for a really nice combo to build around.
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#1800 » by 3toheadmelo » Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:11 pm

King Ken wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
Archx wrote:

Suns already have problems with the ball movement when Booker is on the floor, DSJ likes to play ISO as well, so in theory it would work but in practice i don't think so. Unless you want to completely shut out Ayton.

i think DSJ is a better passer than he is credited for imo. he would def make things easier for Ayton in my eyes. he can’t be worse than Melton or the other phx guards

He is not cheap. Dallas wants comp value. They aren't giving him away for an early 2nd

suns should move maybe josh jackson/Tj warren for him
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