Grizzlies facing adversity at mid-season

Post #1 » by **Jamaaliver** » Thu Jan 3, 2019 4:09 pm

Members of the Memphis Grizzlies got into a fight during a team meeting following Wednesday night's loss to the Detroit Pistons, reports The Atlantic's Shams Charania.

According to the report, the team meeting centered around the team's effort and discussing things they could do to improve. Shortly afterwards, a fight ensued between guard Garrett Temple and forward Omri Casspi and the two players had to be separated.

The Grizzlies' loss was their eighth in the last 10 games. Memphis nows sits at 18–19, 10th in the Western Conference.

Post #2 » by **Jamaaliver** » Thu Jan 3, 2019 4:11 pm

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you may be getting an overview of last night’s heated team meeting for the Memphis Grizzlies. But to blame Omri Casspi and Garrett Temple, two career journeymen, for the issues boiling over in Memphis, would be a fool’s errand. They’re a symptom, but not the disease.

The idea of a “player’s meeting” is not new for Memphis this year - they’ve done this four or five times now by most counts. While this may be the longest and most heated, and by the looks of J.B. Bickerstaff afterwards the most exhausting, there is no reason to suspect it will change much of anything. The Grizzlies are currently free falling - from their 12-5 start to their current 18-19 record, Memphis is desperately looking for leadership to stand up and direct them, to catch them as they tumble through their darkest days of the campaign to date.

But instead of leadership, there is dissent. There is conflict. There is poor morale and attitude.

It reflects leadership. That starts at the top.

It starts with managing owner Robert Pera.

Post #3 » by **Jamaaliver** » Thu Jan 3, 2019 4:11 pm

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Post #4 » by **SD2042** » Sat Jan 5, 2019 2:03 am

Jamaaliver wrote:

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This is the warning sign that the collapse is here. Given they are in the Western Conference, it's no surprise to me they were going to crest last month. As mentioned in another thread. This team is toeing the line between rebuilding and being competitive. Given what they have on the roster plus the move for Justin Holiday, the race for the playoffs will only get harder from here. I know the saying winning cures all. However, there is some accountability to be handed around all over this organization from top to bottom. Regardless if more moves are to be made or not.

Post #5 » by **VCfor3** » Sat Jan 5, 2019 4:50 am

We are trying to claw and scrap our way into converting that pick. I think the FO cares about that more than actually making the playoffs. The money you get from making the playoffs is nice, but if we can get rid of that pick obligation it frees us up to really tank if needed.

Post #6 » by **SD2042** » Sat Jan 5, 2019 5:01 am

VCfor3 wrote:We are trying to claw and scrap our way into converting that pick. I think the FO cares about that more than actually making the playoffs. The money you get from making the playoffs is nice, but if we can get rid of that pick obligation it frees us up to really tank if needed.

I get that part. Unfortunately, it comes down to being smarter with making deals and knowing what players you get back in return so deals like this won't come back to bite them in the ass. Ah well.

BB_Fan · Post #7 » by **BB_Fan** » Mon Jan 7, 2019 9:28 am

I feel sorry for Grizzlies fans. The team has given picks to Celtics/chicago and this team is lottery bound. I am surprised the GM is not fired after all of his mistakes. Ownership should call sam hinkie and start the process.

Post #8 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Jan 7, 2019 2:56 pm

^'The Process' is overrated.

Philly was unbearably awful for half a decade and still are unlikely to make it past the second round of the playoffs.

Look to Boston for the most effective and palatable version of a rebuild.

...and stop gifting away draft picks for mediocre players.

BB_Fan · Post #9 » by **BB_Fan** » Mon Jan 7, 2019 7:03 pm

The process was not over rated but some of the picks by BC was wrong. If 76ers had selected KP in 2015 draft and JT in 2017 you are looking at a championship team for a long period.

Cities like Phil, Memphis. Cleveland are not free agent destination. To build a team in these cities you have to Tank and get multiple picks to build a contending team.

Post #10 » by **Jamaaliver** » Tue Jan 8, 2019 2:06 am

No. You are young and wrong.

PHX, Minny spent a decade in the process.

And they still suck. Even with elite young players aboard.

Losing begets losing.

Boston's rebuild>>>>>>>>>>>philly's rebuild.

the_process · Post #11 » by **the_process** » Sat Jan 19, 2019 2:22 am

Jamaaliver wrote:No. You are young and wrong.

PHX, Minny spent a decade in the process.

And they still suck. Even with elite young players aboard.

Losing begets losing.

Boston's rebuild>>>>>>>>>>>philly's rebuild.

Let's not get crazy here. Philly has the better top end talent, and their core players are younger. They just have no depth.

Boston is better right now, sure. That doesn't mean squat in the long term.

Also, the Sixers tanked for three years. Three.

"You are young and wrong." :lol:

Oldheads whining about tanking never ceases to annoy. We had a bunch of those on the Sixers board. Not surprisingly, they're all gone now. And a Hawks fan whining about tanking? That irony is not lost on me.

You're better than that, you're a great poster on the ATL board.

the_process · Post #12 » by **the_process** » Sat Jan 19, 2019 2:35 am

VCfor3 wrote:We are trying to claw and scrap our way into converting that pick. I think the FO cares about that more than actually making the playoffs. The money you get from making the playoffs is nice, but if we can get rid of that pick obligation it frees us up to really tank if needed.

I agree that's what Wallace is doing... but considering the protections I think MEM ought to tank this year. It's a sellers market, take advantage! MEM should get very good returns on all their vets. Come back next year and see where you are in relation to conveyance.

Post #13 » by **VCfor3** » Sat Jan 19, 2019 2:38 am

the_process wrote:
VCfor3 wrote:We are trying to claw and scrap our way into converting that pick. I think the FO cares about that more than actually making the playoffs. The money you get from making the playoffs is nice, but if we can get rid of that pick obligation it frees us up to really tank if needed.

I agree that's what Wallace is doing... but considering the protections I think MEM ought to tank this year. It's a sellers market, take advantage! MEM should get very good returns on all their vets. Come back next year and see where you are in relation to conveyance.

It'll depend on the offers but I'd be fine selling off vets if they can net a solid return. We'll see what happens. Our FO doesn't usually make the best/smartest moves so there is still a chance we are buyers at the dealine. :roll:

Post #14 » by **SD2042** » Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:31 pm

VCfor3 wrote:
the_process wrote:
VCfor3 wrote:We are trying to claw and scrap our way into converting that pick. I think the FO cares about that more than actually making the playoffs. The money you get from making the playoffs is nice, but if we can get rid of that pick obligation it frees us up to really tank if needed.

I agree that's what Wallace is doing... but considering the protections I think MEM ought to tank this year. It's a sellers market, take advantage! MEM should get very good returns on all their vets. Come back next year and see where you are in relation to conveyance.

It'll depend on the offers but I'd be fine selling off vets if they can net a solid return. We'll see what happens. Our FO doesn't usually make the best/smartest moves so there is still a chance we are buyers at the dealine.

We can always count on the FO to make the "best decisions" to help plug in the leaks rather than to decommission the ship completely and rebuild it's foundations.