Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVII

[gambitx777]

Knight and carmello for Ian? The money is almost even and the rockets are trying to trade Mello and are trying to free up a spot to sign faried. The last year of Ian's contract won't matter to them with all the money the have on the books anyway and it gives them a playable body until capella gets back healthy. I can see them not hating the idea ?

[nate33]

Knight and carmello for Ian? The money is almost even and the rockets are trying to trade Mello and are trying to free up a spot to sign faried. The last year of Ian's contract won't matter to them with all the money the have on the books anyway and it gives them a playable body until capella gets back healthy. I can see them not hating the idea ?

What's in it for us?

You've just added $1M to the payroll this year, and $200K to the payroll next year while trading a modestly useful (albeit wildly overpaid) backup center for two extremely low efficiency chuckers who can't get minutes on a team that starts G-Leaguers.

[dckingsfan]

The Wizards have 9 games until the trade deadline. Given that Charlotte and Miami seem like the two teams we are chasing - how bad does it have to be for Ted/EG to consider trades at the deadline? Or did Ted draw a line in the sand that means they are staying put? We are three back now. Six back?

Detroit
Golden State
Orlando
San Antonio
Cleveland
Indiana
Milwaukee
Atlanta
Milwaukee

Charlotte has 9 games

Indiana
Memphis
Milwaukee
New York
Boston
Memphis
Chicago
LAC
Dallas

Miami has 8 games

Boston
LAC
Cleveland
New York
Chicago
OKC
Indiana
Portland

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My guess is that Ernie thinks he has his excuses in place -- injuries.

OTOH, Ted just said that if they didn't make the playoffs & get out of R1, he might have to rethink how the organization is managed (words to that effect...). If Ernie gives weight to that, he'll trade anything whatever for a better chance at the playoffs. Only problem is he has nothing to trade that will help achieve the goal.

If we miss the playoffs, & we don't get under the luxury tax line, & Ernie isn't fired... that's it. This organization won't recover in the next ten years.

[nate33]

The Wizards have 9 games until the trade deadline. Given that Charlotte and Miami seem like the two teams we are chasing - how bad does it have to be for Ted/EG to consider trades at the deadline? Or did Ted draw a line in the sand that means they are staying put? We are three back now. Six back?

I think it's likely that we will stand pat. My guess is that we would have to be at least 4 games out of 8th place for Ted/EG to consider selling at the Trade Deadline.

If we sell, I really don't think Porter or Beal will be involved. They'll just move Ariza and save some more luxtax dollars.

[dangermouse]

Knight and carmello for Ian? The money is almost even and the rockets are trying to trade Mello and are trying to free up a spot to sign faried. The last year of Ian's contract won't matter to them with all the money the have on the books anyway and it gives them a playable body until capella gets back healthy. I can see them not hating the idea ?

What's in it for us?

You've just added $1M to the payroll this year, and $200K to the payroll next year while trading a modestly useful (albeit wildly overpaid) backup center for two extremely low efficiency chuckers who can't get minutes on a team that starts G-Leaguers.

Knight is erroneously listed as expiring on the ESPN trade machine. Sucks, would be a good trade for both teams.

[gambitx777]

Knight and carmello for Ian? The money is almost even and the rockets are trying to trade Mello and are trying to free up a spot to sign faried. The last year of Ian's contract won't matter to them with all the money the have on the books anyway and it gives them a playable body until capella gets back healthy. I can see them not hating the idea ?

What's in it for us?

You've just added $1M to the payroll this year, and $200K to the payroll next year while trading a modestly useful (albeit wildly overpaid) backup center for two extremely low efficiency chuckers who can't get minutes on a team that starts G-Leaguers.

Knight is erroneously listed as expiring on the ESPN trade machine. Sucks, would be a good trade for both teams.

yeah I thought I looked into that, thought his deal was up, **** up. I would still be interested in taking melo for them. We have enough trade exceptions, maybe for a second? OR chriss and melo and a second for Howard. ?idk.

[Eli Babak]

Wiz have that 8.6M exception to use (Wall's injury) but I'd be shocked if Ted was willing to take on more salary. There are no good outcomes: if they make the playoffs, Ernie's safe (that 2nd round talk is BS). If they miss the playoffs, there's injury excuse and a lottery pick to trade.

Right now I'm expecting Ernie to retire on June 30, 2033. 30 years as a GM of the Washington Wizards and the best result? Game 7 in conference semifinals in 2016-17 season.

[dangermouse]

What benefit is there in an injured player exception if they aren't going to use it? To give the appearance that they are buyers rather than sellers, to drive up offers for our players?

[gambitx777]

It's on of those things that you just do it makes not sense to not do it. But I doubt we take on too much money .

[gambitx777]

Wiz get carmello and hartenstien
King's get second from wiz and a second from the rockets and Morris
Rockest : nothing.
Wiz get under the tax and get a playable Carmelo and a young big and the rockets get rid of Carmelo and open up another buy out spot. For when they sign faried . King's probably wouldn't mind helping out for some seconds

[Ruzious]

Leaving aside the trade itself, I am totally in favor of this strategy. Totally -- I would give one of my best bleeps for this to be the Wizards strategy!

But, I don't like Zach Lavine much. I'd be much happier to take Parker instead -- & let his option go this off-season. But, that's an unlikely move for Chicago, as they'd have both Lavine & Beal on their roster. Hutchison doesn't do much for me either. I'd probably prefer to have their R2 pick instead (or maybe 2 R2 picks...?).

Conceivably, we could have Porter, Wall, Mahinmi, Sato, Dekker, Brown & Bryant for @$100m (off top of my head). Add Hachimura, Garland, Bol, Clarke, & whoever we pick at #32 (Ponds?) for another $15m (?). Green for @$2m. That's $117m for 13 guys. Use the exception to add a solid player.

Of course, this would make us an altogether different kind of team -- Wall would be the representative of a prior generation of the Wizards. If he played well enough to become tradable, we'd be well set up for the following off season.

It's a fantasy, obviously, & it's impractical given the Bulls are unlikely to want both Beal & Lavine (though they might trade Lavine to someone else). & for this strategy to succeed, we would need a different GM. Still, wow... it's kind of "the process" at warp speed!

Sounds good, but I'm curious as to why you'd rather have an expiring contract than Lavine. He's a high usage player with a .566 TS%. Granted, he's got more to's than I'd like, but he's still got more assists than to's. Lifetime, his to's per 36 is 2.8 - so it's abnormally high for him this season. He makes 49.5% of his 2's, 35.8% of his 3's (lifetime 37.1%), 86.7% of his FTs, and gets 6.2 FT's per 36 minutes while averaging 24.9 points per 36. He's not Bradley Beal, but he's a good and improving 23 year old 2 guard on a reasonable contract.

Zach hasn't had a genuinely good season overall in his career yet. Plus they've been inconsistent -- up & down in various categories. Yet, because he scores a lot of points, he is already making almost $20m/year guaranteed through '21-22.

Yes, he's "high usage," so lets look at everything besides scoring. To make a long story short, overall he's way below average for a wing in that stuff. Pretty far below.

Brad is also a high usage player, but in that other stuff overall he's significantly above average for a wing.

The two guys score virtually the same # of points per 40 minutes this year. Brad's more efficient, but the difference isn't real big. But...

Thing is... this is Zach Lavine's 5th year in the league. Brad's 5th year was 2016-17. That was a breakout year for him. They are the equivalent age.

Of course, Zach could still make it happen -- I don't have a crystal ball! But... it's not a bet I'd like to make.

Plus, I think we need to start over -- or as close to that as practical -- which is what I liked about your awesome 4-rookie fantasy (to which I hoped to add a 5th rookie via the high R2 pick). IMO, Zach's salary puts too much weight in the boat for a restart.

I'm guessing you didn't realize that 2 seasons ago, he tore his ACL in February - and you're discounting his improvement this season. And yeah, at 23 years old he's way too old to be part of starting over. And again, I'm not saying he's as good as Beal - or that he'll ever be as good as Beal. But I do think it's clear he's worth more than an expiring contract.

[Eli Babak]

Wiz get carmello and hartenstien
King's get second from wiz and a second from the rockets and Morris
Rockest : nothing.
Wiz get under the tax and get a playable Carmelo and a young big and the rockets get rid of Carmelo and open up another buy out spot. For when they sign faried . King's probably wouldn't mind helping out for some seconds

Kings already have multiple 2nds and if they trade for a big they want someone who can rebound and defend - something that Markieff is not known for. If they go after someone in our roster it's Ariza and/or Green (Porter's not available/price too high).

I also don't want to see Melo in a Wizards uniform. He's a cancer at this stage of his career - game has changed too much for him. Hartenstein is a decent young big prospect but I think Rockets are fine retaining him.

It's just so obvious. Trade Ariza, Green and Morris for 2nds + expirings to get under tax and get some future assets. Problem is that Ernie is scared for his job so making the playoffs is goal number one. This season is such a mess!

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Darned if you're not right, EB. That IS obvious.

Trade any, (better every one) of Morris, Green, and Ariza to contending teams for second round picks. Wow, that's the best thing. Get under the tax. Make good karma deals to these veterans.

Throw Mahinmi in for an expiring and swap of picks because a late round one pick is POTENTIALLY BETTER than a lottery pick in this draft.

For example: swap Mahinmi and draft Bruno Fernando.

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[pcbothwel]

Darned if you're not right, EB. That IS obvious.

Trade any, (better every one) of Morris, Green, and Ariza to contending teams for second round picks. Wow, that's the best thing. Get under the tax. Make good karma deals to these veterans.

Throw Mahinmi in for an expiring and swap of picks because a late round one pick is POTENTIALLY BETTER than a lottery pick in this draft.

For example: swap Mahinmi and draft Bruno Fernando.

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Couldnt disagree more about the draft value. I think the value is top 2, but 4-10 is mediocre. I think we will be in a GREAT spot for this draft. The late lotto/mid teens will have a few of the following players available that WILL NOT make it past the early 20's:

Bol, NAW, Little, Doumbouya, Garland, Hunter

BTW... quite a few interesting Big Man prospects in Fernando, Hayes, Wiley, Porter, Gafford, Reid, and Goga

[80sballboy]

More Beal speculation not rumors
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2816634-blockbuster-deals-that-would-blow-up-the-nba-trade-deadline?share=other#slide5

[nate33]

More Beal speculation not rumors
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2816634-blockbuster-deals-that-would-blow-up-the-nba-trade-deadline?share=other#slide5

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I'm guessing you didn't realize that 2 seasons ago, (Zach Lavine) tore his ACL in February - and you're discounting his improvement this season. And yeah, at 23 years old he's way too old to be part of starting over. And again, I'm not saying he's as good as Beal - or that he'll ever be as good as Beal. But I do think it's clear he's worth more than an expiring contract.

You're right. I completely forgot about Lavine's injury. Sorry.

He was awful as a rookie, a little better than awful as a 2d-year player, & better in his 3d year before the ACL. Still not all that good, but he wasn't even 22 years old at that point. Definitely looked to be on the upswing & to have a lot of potential.

His numbers last year are irrelevant.

This year, his shooting is significantly down overall from where it was 2 years ago, but on much higher usage overall. At the same time, he's actually shooting fewer 3's than that season & at a lower %. But... he's a tremendous FT shooter, & maybe there's good reason to be optimistic about his FG%s coming back.

Everything else is better than 2 years ago -- with one glaring exception: he's turning the ball over a lot.

Obviously, he's plenty young. I'd love to have him. The only problem for me is his salary.

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Ouch, I remember suggesting that very trade - saying I'd rather have Ingram, but it's more realistic that the Lakers would want to include Hart rather than Ingram.