1/21 | G46: Oklahoma City Thunder at New York Knicks - 11:30AM CST

[Kizz Fastfists]

I don't care how much money is spent on a team. Dont give a flying F'.
People running OKC are, or are a part of groupations of one of the biggest zionists, who are running (ruining) the whole world, and live better than 99,999999999% of the planet.
They could spend 99% of their private money on Westbrook's, Adams and George's of our worlds, and with 1% being left they'd still be among the richest people.

Since you opened the door. Are you a socialist, communist or just jealous of those that work hard, make wise choices and accumulate wealth?

I don't care who owns any of the teams I root for. I care about how they are run, the decisions they make and the quality of the team. It doesn't matter if it is a government owned team, i.e. OU football or privately owned, i.e. OKC I want them to make the best choices to put themselves in a position to be competing for championships rather that is now or setting up for the future. I do not want them on a treadmill as an average team.

[Kizz Fastfists]

I remaining firmly unconvinced that tanking is the best way to build a team.

Here are the players in the last 5 drafts that are either already massive difference makers on there team or will far outplay their draft slot

Jarrett Allen
Kyle Kuzma
John Collins
Caris Levert
Pascal Siakam
Dejounte Murray
Malcolm Brogdon
Terry Rozier
Josh Richardson
Jusuf Nurkic
Gary Harris
Clint Capella
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Nikola Jokic

This list doesn’t include any 2018 draft picks. Every one of these guys were available post lottery. In other words there is massive talent available EVERY year for non tanking teams.

Further I think tanking stunts the development of the actual players on your roster.

Lastly the most recent example of a mega tank (which is what you suggest) netted the 76ers Embiid, Simmons, and a digruntled Butler. They have a cool Heat pick in a few years, but there is no telling how Embiid will hold up. I don’t think that the 76ers future is really anything to be super excited about.

From that list there is only one player that can be the best player on a championship team and that is Jokic and possibly Kuzm. The rest are nice role players. You could put everyone on that list, outside of Jokic and Kuzma, on a single team and that team is never a contender. The only possible exception would be if Popavich is coaching them.

The 76ers screwed up when they fired Hinkie. After that they got stupid and traded up for Fultz when they already had their PG, Simmons, and should have been looking for Tatum as he would have been an ideal fit between Simmons and Embiid. The 76ers are in position that at a minimum they will be in at least a few ECF series with Simmons and Embiid.

[ThunderBolt]

Get the **** out of here with this kind of moronic statements

Are you happy that OKC has the goal of just making the playoffs? Do you not want the franchise to be taking a course that has the potential to lead to a championship? I know lots of people who are happy that OKC is likely to make the playoffs and they don't care about anything after that. I'm just not one of those people. If you do not have a path to the championship with your current core, which OKC doesn't, then it is time to rebuild.

If you believe OKC can win a championship with a declining Russ then we will just have to disagree on where OKC stands within the NBA. If OKC had a competent coach then I could see an argument for this roster having a shot at the WCF, but Donovan could coach GS into a first round exit. There is not a potential playoff team in the West that OKC should be favored to beat in a 7 game series.

I remaining firmly unconvinced that tanking is the best way to build a team.

Here are the players in the last 5 drafts that are either already massive difference makers on there team or will far outplay their draft slot

Jarrett Allen
Kyle Kuzma
John Collins
Caris Levert
Pascal Siakam
Dejounte Murray
Malcolm Brogdon
Terry Rozier
Josh Richardson
Jusuf Nurkic
Gary Harris
Clint Capella
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Nikola Jokic

This list doesn’t include any 2018 draft picks. Every one of these guys were available post lottery. In other words there is massive talent available EVERY year for non tanking teams.

Further I think tanking stunts the development of the actual players on your roster.

Lastly the most recent example of a mega tank (which is what you suggest) netted the 76ers Embiid, Simmons, and a digruntled Butler. They have a cool Heat pick in a few years, but there is no telling how Embiid will hold up. I don’t think that the 76ers future is really anything to be super excited about.

I could get on board with this if we hadn't trade so many freaking draft picks. San Antonio seldom goes without a FRP. I'm not against trading a FRP either if you are in win now mode however Presti has put okc in a very interesting dilemma. We don't really have enough draft picks for sustained success. Many of the draft picks can be kept due to the protections on them.

I'm not necessarily interested in a prolonged tank like the sixers. However at some point we will have to get at least one superstar talent to build around and that's going be difficult picking 15-25 every other year.

[Pillendreher]

and possibly Kuzm.

You must be joking.

[spearsy23]

and possibly Kuzm.

You must be joking.

Kizz has gone off the rails lately. Two months ago he said Dennis was a better passer than Russ and it's all been downhill from there.

[SecondTake]

Are you happy that OKC has the goal of just making the playoffs? Do you not want the franchise to be taking a course that has the potential to lead to a championship? I know lots of people who are happy that OKC is likely to make the playoffs and they don't care about anything after that. I'm just not one of those people. If you do not have a path to the championship with your current core, which OKC doesn't, then it is time to rebuild.

If you believe OKC can win a championship with a declining Russ then we will just have to disagree on where OKC stands within the NBA. If OKC had a competent coach then I could see an argument for this roster having a shot at the WCF, but Donovan could coach GS into a first round exit. There is not a potential playoff team in the West that OKC should be favored to beat in a 7 game series.

I remaining firmly unconvinced that tanking is the best way to build a team.

Here are the players in the last 5 drafts that are either already massive difference makers on there team or will far outplay their draft slot

Jarrett Allen
Kyle Kuzma
John Collins
Caris Levert
Pascal Siakam
Dejounte Murray
Malcolm Brogdon
Terry Rozier
Josh Richardson
Jusuf Nurkic
Gary Harris
Clint Capella
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Nikola Jokic

This list doesn’t include any 2018 draft picks. Every one of these guys were available post lottery. In other words there is massive talent available EVERY year for non tanking teams.

Further I think tanking stunts the development of the actual players on your roster.

Lastly the most recent example of a mega tank (which is what you suggest) netted the 76ers Embiid, Simmons, and a digruntled Butler. They have a cool Heat pick in a few years, but there is no telling how Embiid will hold up. I don’t think that the 76ers future is really anything to be super excited about.

I could get on board with this if we hadn't trade so many freaking draft picks. San Antonio seldom goes without a FRP. I'm not against trading a FRP either if you are in win now mode however Presti has put okc in a very interesting dilemma. We don't really have enough draft picks for sustained success. Many of the draft picks can be kept due to the protections on them.

I'm not necessarily interested in a prolonged tank like the sixers. However at some point we will have to get at least one superstar talent to build around and that's going be difficult picking 15-25 every other year.

Whats why we got free agency. And we seem to be pretty good at drafting atm, we got Frugeson who might become a well above average starter in 3-5 years. And we already have 2 superstars now, so we're in win now mode for the next 3-4 years.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Whats why we got free agency. And we seem to be pretty good at drafting atm, we got Frugeson who might become a well above average starter in 3-5 years. And we already have 2 superstars now, so we're in win now mode for the next 3-4 years.

If we are still calling Russ a superstar then I guess Wade is still a superstar? Russ is still a very good player, but he is only a superstar by name and reputation at this point. Superstars do not post an eFG of 44% and TS% under 48% on over 20 shots a game! Superstars do not shoot 24% from 3 on 4.8 attempts a game! OKC is in make the playoffs mode for this year then their playoff run will most likely end as Russ will most likely drop off to much for them to make it again next year unless the West gets a lot weaker in the off-season.

[Dn4sty]

I remaining firmly unconvinced that tanking is the best way to build a team.

Here are the players in the last 5 drafts that are either already massive difference makers on there team or will far outplay their draft slot

Jarrett Allen
Kyle Kuzma
John Collins
Caris Levert
Pascal Siakam
Dejounte Murray
Malcolm Brogdon
Terry Rozier
Josh Richardson
Jusuf Nurkic
Gary Harris
Clint Capella
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Nikola Jokic

This list doesn’t include any 2018 draft picks. Every one of these guys were available post lottery. In other words there is massive talent available EVERY year for non tanking teams.

Further I think tanking stunts the development of the actual players on your roster.

Lastly the most recent example of a mega tank (which is what you suggest) netted the 76ers Embiid, Simmons, and a digruntled Butler. They have a cool Heat pick in a few years, but there is no telling how Embiid will hold up. I don’t think that the 76ers future is really anything to be super excited about.

From that list there is only one player that can be the best player on a championship team and that is Jokic and possibly Kuzm. The rest are nice role players. You could put everyone on that list, outside of Jokic and Kuzma, on a single team and that team is never a contender. The only possible exception would be if Popavich is coaching them.

The 76ers screwed up when they fired Hinkie. After that they got stupid and traded up for Fultz when they already had their PG, Simmons, and should have been looking for Tatum as he would have been an ideal fit between Simmons and Embiid. The 76ers are in position that at a minimum they will be in at least a few ECF series with Simmons and Embiid.

So my point was not superstar players but these players are 2nd to 3rd best players on a championship team.

[SecondTake]

Whats why we got free agency. And we seem to be pretty good at drafting atm, we got Frugeson who might become a well above average starter in 3-5 years. And we already have 2 superstars now, so we're in win now mode for the next 3-4 years.

If we are still calling Russ a superstar then I guess Wade is still a superstar? Russ is still a very good player, but he is only a superstar by name and reputation at this point. Superstars do not post an eFG of 44% and TS% under 48% on over 20 shots a game! Superstars do not shoot 24% from 3 on 4.8 attempts a game! OKC is in make the playoffs mode for this year then their playoff run will most likely end as Russ will most likely drop off to much for them to make it again next year unless the West gets a lot weaker in the off-season.

You're comparisng Russ to Wade?

Russ is averaging a 20 point triple double with excellent defense. You seem to think that you can sum up a players impact by their EFG and TS. I Guess you think Deandre Jordan is the best player in the league.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Russ is averaging a 20 point triple double with excellent defense. You seem to think that you can sum up a players impact by their EFG and TS. I Guess you think Deandre Jordan is the best player in the league.

Last time Russ finished a season with a BPM as low as he has this year he missed the all-star game. Russ has the 2nd lowest Ortg of his career with only his rookie season being worse. The shooting is the glaring example of his decline, but it is obvious in EVERY part of his game. Last time I checked a triple double didn't add extra wins in the regular season or post season. They are just a collection of three random stats.

DeAndre Jordan has very good EFG and TS because he knows where he can make shots and he has enough brain function not to take 3pt shots. I really wish the same could be said of Russ. Although, Ben Simmons is a better example of someone with a similar skill set as Russ, but in both his rookie and 2nd season Simmons put up shooting numbers that Russ has never been able to achieve because Simmons knows what his skill set is and how to use it. Russ either believes he is an equal shooter to Curry, based on shot selection, or he takes shots to limit Thunder scoring. So either Russ is brain dead when it come to an understanding of the game of basketball, which goes with reports of his inability to learn and understand running offensive sets and other things, or he is out there intentionally limiting the scoring. Is he an idiot or is sabotaging the team? I go with idiot. Idiots don't win championships. Idiots get 1st round exits if they are the best player on the team. Idiots hold back a team that could go further based on talent. OKC has underachieved repeatedly and the only common thread for all those teams is Russ. Coincidence?

[hardenASG13]

Russ is averaging a 20 point triple double with excellent defense. You seem to think that you can sum up a players impact by their EFG and TS. I Guess you think Deandre Jordan is the best player in the league.

Last time Russ finished a season with a BPM as low as he has this year he missed the all-star game. Russ has the 2nd lowest Ortg of his career with only his rookie season being worse. The shooting is the glaring example of his decline, but it is obvious in EVERY part of his game. Last time I checked a triple double didn't add extra wins in the regular season or post season. They are just a collection of three random stats.

DeAndre Jordan has very good EFG and TS because he knows where he can make shots and he has enough brain function not to take 3pt shots. I really wish the same could be said of Russ. Although, Ben Simmons is a better example of someone with a similar skill set as Russ, but in both his rookie and 2nd season Simmons put up shooting numbers that Russ has never been able to achieve because Simmons knows what his skill set is and how to use it. Russ either believes he is an equal shooter to Curry, based on shot selection, or he takes shots to limit Thunder scoring. So either Russ is brain dead when it come to an understanding of the game of basketball, which goes with reports of his inability to learn and understand running offensive sets and other things, or he is out there intentionally limiting the scoring. Is he an idiot or is sabotaging the team? I go with idiot. Idiots don't win championships. Idiots get 1st round exits if they are the best player on the team. Idiots hold back a team that could go further based on talent. OKC has underachieved repeatedly and the only common thread for all those teams is Russ. Coincidence?

It doesn't seem to be killing them as they are 3rd in the West, would be legit title contenders if not for golden State. I don't think kizz watches games, but Westbrook is beginning to look much better, as is Ferguson (his boy, the 2019 Danny green), and grant continues to be a monster defensively. This team is pretty damn good.

As for the tanking BS. What is a clear path to beating golden state? If they lose Durant in free agency, OKC is set up as good as anyone in the short term. I can only imagine some of the posters in here during a rebuild, if the thunder don't land a KD-WB- harden draft tandem immediately. I mean, some call a 5-5 stretch in mid January rock bottom. What if they waste 2 seasons tanking and end up with a dragan bender/Josh Jackson type combo? Not being happy with this team is nonsense. It is likely the
best roster okc will have for a long, long, time. To think tanking is a guaranteed path to success is a pipe dream. They'd be lucky to hit on 1 guy that ever develops into current day Paul George or Westbrook ( who is playing much more active defense, still controls the tempo of the game, and averages a 20ppg (and climbing) triple double.

[SecondTake]

Russ is averaging a 20 point triple double with excellent defense. You seem to think that you can sum up a players impact by their EFG and TS. I Guess you think Deandre Jordan is the best player in the league.

Last time Russ finished a season with a BPM as low as he has this year he missed the all-star game. Russ has the 2nd lowest Ortg of his career with only his rookie season being worse. The shooting is the glaring example of his decline, but it is obvious in EVERY part of his game. Last time I checked a triple double didn't add extra wins in the regular season or post season. They are just a collection of three random stats.

DeAndre Jordan has very good EFG and TS because he knows where he can make shots and he has enough brain function not to take 3pt shots. I really wish the same could be said of Russ. Although, Ben Simmons is a better example of someone with a similar skill set as Russ, but in both his rookie and 2nd season Simmons put up shooting numbers that Russ has never been able to achieve because Simmons knows what his skill set is and how to use it. Russ either believes he is an equal shooter to Curry, based on shot selection, or he takes shots to limit Thunder scoring. So either Russ is brain dead when it come to an understanding of the game of basketball, which goes with reports of his inability to learn and understand running offensive sets and other things, or he is out there intentionally limiting the scoring. Is he an idiot or is sabotaging the team? I go with idiot. Idiots don't win championships. Idiots get 1st round exits if they are the best player on the team. Idiots hold back a team that could go further based on talent. OKC has underachieved repeatedly and the only common thread for all those teams is Russ. Coincidence?

I'm not arguing whether Russ makes stupid decisions. He does. But he always has. He did in his MVP season too. He's a superstar despite that. If he didn't make stupid mistakes and could shoot the 3 he would be the best player in the league. The reason he's top 5-10 is because of those handicaps.

What are the odds that OKC drafts another Westbrook? And then convinces a 2 way superstar like PG to join him in free agency? Slim to none. You don't go in to rebuild when your team has a 20/10/10 guy playing great defense paired with a 27/8/4 guy playing DPOY defense.

[spearsy23]

Russ is averaging a 20 point triple double with excellent defense. You seem to think that you can sum up a players impact by their EFG and TS. I Guess you think Deandre Jordan is the best player in the league.

Last time Russ finished a season with a BPM as low as he has this year he missed the all-star game.

He played 25 games before the break...

[Thunder Up]

lol

[Kizz Fastfists]

It doesn't seem to be killing them as they are 3rd in the West, would be legit title contenders if not for golden State. I don't think kizz watches games, but Westbrook is beginning to look much better, as is Ferguson (his boy, the 2019 Danny green), and grant continues to be a monster defensively. This team is pretty damn good.

They will never be a contender with Donovan butchering rotations and letting them run a freelance offense. They were the 4 seed last year and that got them 6 playoff games. Do you think being the 3 seed, which they won't hold on to, would get them 7? Right now they would be looking at a 5 game series with the Spurs before watching the 2nd round at home, again. I don't watch as many as I used to. I've actively avoided watching them by not having access at my house since November of 2017. I still see them at other places, but I don't watch every game like I used to. I've been very upfront about that.

What had Danny Green done at 20 to be worthy of being compared to Ferguson? Ferguson will be the best player on OKC's roster in the '21-'22 season if not sooner. Everyone here knows my view of Ferguson going back to before OKC drafted him.

[hardenASG13]

It doesn't seem to be killing them as they are 3rd in the West, would be legit title contenders if not for golden State. I don't think kizz watches games, but Westbrook is beginning to look much better, as is Ferguson (his boy, the 2019 Danny green), and grant continues to be a monster defensively. This team is pretty damn good.

They will never be a contender with Donovan butchering rotations and letting them run a freelance offense. They were the 4 seed last year and that got them 6 playoff games. Do you think being the 3 seed, which they won't hold on to, would get them 7? Right now they would be looking at a 5 game series with the Spurs before watching the 2nd round at home, again. I don't watch as many as I used to. I've actively avoided watching them by not having access at my house since November of 2017. I still see them at other places, but I don't watch every game like I used to. I've been very upfront about that.

What had Danny Green done at 20 to be worthy of being compared to Ferguson? Ferguson will be the best player on OKC's roster in the '21-'22 season if not sooner. Everyone here knows my view of Ferguson going back to before OKC drafted him.

If they don't run into golden State in the first 2 rounds, it's very reasonable to make the WCF......who else can't they beat??? Donovan aside, all the other teams have holes as well, and okcs starting 5 are basically as good as it gets.

The green comp is a compliment. Ferguson defends, runs the wing extremely well, and is basically a catch and shoot guy, with a quick release who almost exclusively takes 3s. He also balanced off a full sprint into his shot well. Plays alot like green imo. Haven't seen much outta him as a creator.