Regular Season Game 48: Orlando Magic (20-27) at Brooklyn Nets (25-23)

[407Junkie]

if this team improves at point guard and on the wings, they can be the thick of things but they need to get not only a point guard but a go to scorer at one of those positions.

i think they can actually a good point or a wing in this draft but they are going to have to make a tough decision in the frontcourt.

For sure but they have some time. I just can’t see them trading Vuc or letting him walk. You just don’t let an up and coming Allstar get away.


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They do. We shall see but I think Vuc sticks as there would be a lot of ticked off people if he left.

Dont flatter the dude. I’d be pissed and probably quit watching until he leaves.

[p0peye]

Bogdanovic je Partizanov

Zvezda: Bjelica, Stojaković, Vučević
Partizan: Divac, Bogdanović

It might be fun to get more ex-YU players there, but Divac messed up with Dončić. Too bad something like that couldn't have been done in '90 when Dražen, Kukoč, Radja and Danilović were in NBA.

PG : Doncic /Teodosic/ Teodosic
SG : Bogdan / Musa
SF Bojan/Hezonja
PF Mirotić / Šarić / Bender
C - Joksi, Bobo,Vučević, Nurkić , Zub, Žižić

coach Kokoškov

Damn, we got C position down.

There should be a room for Dragić (probably backing up Dončić - you must've mistyped Teo twice), but PF rotation is very solid on both sides on floor (Mirotić/Šarić are both very underrated defenders) and C is stacked.

Personally was hoping to trade for Zubac as buy low candidate here, thinking he might grow into Vučević-like center.

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[Blue_and_Whte]

Good post. It was actually 20-15-5-4 and he shouldn’t give us a discount, for what? To continue wasting his career here? To try and appease THIS fan base? The team didn’t believe in him when they signed Biyombo, traded for Ibaka, and now drafted another scrub center who was supposed to be “better” and will likely not be imo. I wouldn’t blame him one bit for going to a team that can get him the title he deserves.

Why does Vuc "deserve" a title? He's been a solid player for us for the last 6 years but he's not really a team leader, he expressed displeasure switching roles to coming off the bench, and he has not carried this team to a + .500 record since he arrived.

Guys who "deserve" a title IMO are guys like TMAC - sure he stupidly demanded a trade when we drafted D12, but that guy carried us to the playoffs, scoring titles, and overall exciting times.

Or a guy like Darrell Anderson.

Vuc is not in either of those categories (talent or heart) to "deserve" a title.

So the one time he said:
“I didn’t think that there was a reason for me to go to the bench, but it’s coaches decision. All I can do is control what I can control, which is when I’m on the court, play to the best of my ability and help the team win. Stay professional and whatever is going on, I’ll keep giving my best and give them my full effort.”
About backing up a career scrub when when we all knew it was about Hennigz, not looking like the stupid idiot that he was, has negated him Going from a 2nd/3rd string center in Philly, to an All Star in Orlando signing a team friendly deal along the way, and dragging this sorry ass team through the mud? You think someone with no heart would be able to do that?

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[Mauro Pedrosa]

Pepe you've gotta admit he's been really crappy in the final 5 minutes of games over the last couple months, despite having a career year and carrying the team.

Last 5 min of every basketball game comes down to executing plays. In normal situations it's guard or wing with ball in his hands , not center.
Since Magic guards are bad, wings can't even run with ball he gets ball in his hands and yes, results are not great.

Even tonight he lead team in scoring, rebounds, blocks and steals and only starting PG had more assists. What else you want from your center? To cock you a dinner at HT ?

Evan played terrible tonight, Gordon was meh at best, Bamba menaged to have +/- of -13 in 15 min, only Isaac and Simmons had good games. On NEts, Dinwiddie, Russell and Carrol combined for 73 points

I agree with everything you're saying. Evan sucks. Our guards sucks. AG had a bad game. Bambi is a net loss on the court. Vuc carries the team through most games. But hopefully even you can see that something is different with Vuc at the end of games, maybe it's jitters, but he takes low percentage shots and misses most of them under 5 minutes.

The problem is he's not a #1 option. But if we get him 1 or 2 guys to be better than him, we'll be top 5 in the East. Conley, Beal, McCollum, Butler... I don't know, try to do something

[p0peye]

Last 5 min of every basketball game comes down to executing plays. In normal situations it's guard or wing with ball in his hands , not center.
Since Magic guards are bad, wings can't even run with ball he gets ball in his hands and yes, results are not great.

Even tonight he lead team in scoring, rebounds, blocks and steals and only starting PG had more assists. What else you want from your center? To cock you a dinner at HT ?

Evan played terrible tonight, Gordon was meh at best, Bamba menaged to have +/- of -13 in 15 min, only Isaac and Simmons had good games. On NEts, Dinwiddie, Russell and Carrol combined for 73 points

I agree with everything you're saying. Evan sucks. Our guards sucks. AG had a bad game. Bambi is a net loss on the court. Vuc carries the team through most games. But hopefully even you can see that something is different with Vuc at the end of games, maybe it's jitters, but he takes low percentage shots and misses most of them under 5 minutes.

The problem is he's not a #1 option. But if we get him 1 or 2 guys to be better than him, we'll be top 5 in the East. Conley, Beal, McCollum, Butler... I don't know, try to do something

This is not a position he should be in to begin with. We should have guard/wing as a closer, capable iso scorer and shooter - not a center. Our every opponent in crunch knows where the ball goes if Ross' coin is tails.

[swarlesbarkley]

I wouldn’t blame him one bit for going to a team that can get him the title he deserves.

Why does Vuc "deserve" a title? He's been a solid player for us for the last 6 years but he's not really a team leader, he expressed displeasure switching roles to coming off the bench, and he has not carried this team to a + .500 record since he arrived.

Guys who "deserve" a title IMO are guys like TMAC - sure he stupidly demanded a trade when we drafted D12, but that guy carried us to the playoffs, scoring titles, and overall exciting times.

Or a guy like Darrell Anderson.

Vuc is not in either of those categories (talent or heart) to "deserve" a title.

So the one time he said:
“I didn’t think that there was a reason for me to go to the bench, but it’s coaches decision. All I can do is control what I can control, which is when I’m on the court, play to the best of my ability and help the team win. Stay professional and whatever is going on, I’ll keep giving my best and give them my full effort.”
About backing up a career scrub when when we all knew it was about Hennigz, not looking like the stupid idiot that he was, has negated him Going from a 2nd/3rd string center in Philly, to an All Star in Orlando signing a team friendly deal along the way, and dragging this sorry ass team through the mud? You think someone with no heart would be able to do that?

Still not sure how any of that means that he "deserves" a title. It's totally subjective though so if you think that - awesome.

Are we sure he's going to be an all star this year?

[npiper17]

If Brooklyn keep playing with this confidence then they could be a tough out in first round of the playoffs. Also DLo is going to get paid this summer - will be interesting to see if the Nets keep him around as would be a lot of money invested in the PG spot.

Would be nice to see us take a run at him.

The Nets would match any offer on Russell. Marks views him as the future of the franchise. but it wont ever get to an offersheet. The nets have 30+ in cap room. they will agree to a deal with russell for whatever he wants prior to the start of FA... use their cap space, then go over to sign russell.

Russell wants to stay, similar to Joe Harris last year. I dont think he will even consider other offers. Nets want him back and will pay him the max. He wants to be in brooklyn. Signing an offer sheet only means russell will have less talent around him cause then we cant use our cap space.

I didn’t realise there were so many ways to say the same thing but it turns out there is!

[Blue_and_Whte]

Why does Vuc "deserve" a title? He's been a solid player for us for the last 6 years but he's not really a team leader, he expressed displeasure switching roles to coming off the bench, and he has not carried this team to a + .500 record since he arrived.

Guys who "deserve" a title IMO are guys like TMAC - sure he stupidly demanded a trade when we drafted D12, but that guy carried us to the playoffs, scoring titles, and overall exciting times.

Or a guy like Darrell Anderson.

Vuc is not in either of those categories (talent or heart) to "deserve" a title.

So the one time he said:
“I didn’t think that there was a reason for me to go to the bench, but it’s coaches decision. All I can do is control what I can control, which is when I’m on the court, play to the best of my ability and help the team win. Stay professional and whatever is going on, I’ll keep giving my best and give them my full effort.”
About backing up a career scrub when when we all knew it was about Hennigz, not looking like the stupid idiot that he was, has negated him Going from a 2nd/3rd string center in Philly, to an All Star in Orlando signing a team friendly deal along the way, and dragging this sorry ass team through the mud? You think someone with no heart would be able to do that?

Still not sure how any of that means that he "deserves" a title. It's totally subjective though so if you think that - awesome.

Are we sure he's going to be an all star this year?

I know its awsome because its my opinion and i dont need validation from anyone. Why didnt you answer the question? Does Mo have heart? Well he barely has a heartbeat so poor example.

I know you dont want him to be an All Star but yes hes already an all star based on the ALL STAR numbers hes putting up. The actual team is a joke because its a popularity contest not a reflection of a players great season which is sad Because alot of guys get snubbed.

The fact is If it were anyone else on this team it wouldnt be a question, and one quip about not agreeing to come off the bench behind clearly inferior talent wouldn't be an issue. Everyone in here knows that's true.

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[BadHombre]

So the one time he said:
“I didn’t think that there was a reason for me to go to the bench, but it’s coaches decision. All I can do is control what I can control, which is when I’m on the court, play to the best of my ability and help the team win. Stay professional and whatever is going on, I’ll keep giving my best and give them my full effort.”
About backing up a career scrub when when we all knew it was about Hennigz, not looking like the stupid idiot that he was, has negated him Going from a 2nd/3rd string center in Philly, to an All Star in Orlando signing a team friendly deal along the way, and dragging this sorry ass team through the mud? You think someone with no heart would be able to do that?

Still not sure how any of that means that he "deserves" a title. It's totally subjective though so if you think that - awesome.

Are we sure he's going to be an all star this year?

I know its awsome because its my opinion and i dont need validation from anyone. Why didnt you answer the question? Does Mo have heart? Well he barely has a heartbeat so poor example.

I know you dont want him to be an All Star but yes hes already an all star based on the ALL STAR numbers hes putting up. The actual team is a joke because its a popularity contest not a reflection of a players great season which is sad Because alot of guys get snubbed.

The fact is If it were anyone else on this team it wouldnt be a question, and one quip about not agreeing to come off the bench behind clearly inferior talent wouldn't be an issue. Everyone in here knows that's true.

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LMAO! Get a load of this guy!

If you didn’t need validation from anyone you wouldn’t bother seeking out a message board to share your opinions.

Don’t worry, I’ll validate you. You’ve got some reasonable opinions in there amongst some unreasonable ones. You’re a competent basketball fan. Well done.

[pepe1991]

Zvezda: Bjelica, Stojaković, Vučević
Partizan: Divac, Bogdanović

It might be fun to get more ex-YU players there, but Divac messed up with Dončić. Too bad something like that couldn't have been done in '90 when Dražen, Kukoč, Radja and Danilović were in NBA.

PG : Doncic /Teodosic/ Teodosic
SG : Bogdan / Musa
SF Bojan/Hezonja
PF Mirotić / Šarić / Bender
C - Joksi, Bobo,Vučević, Nurkić , Zub, Žižić

coach Kokoškov

Damn, we got C position down.

There should be a room for Dragić (probably backing up Dončić - you must've mistyped Teo twice), but PF rotation is very solid on both sides on floor (Mirotić/Šarić are both very underrated defenders) and C is stacked.

Personally was hoping to trade for Zubac as buy low candidate here, thinking he might grow into Vučević-like center.

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I didn't really want to list them as starters in that order, just group them by position

I even mentioned Teodosic twice instad of Dragić ( while i was thinking about Dragić when i was typing )

[j-ragg]

So the one time he said:
“I didn’t think that there was a reason for me to go to the bench, but it’s coaches decision. All I can do is control what I can control, which is when I’m on the court, play to the best of my ability and help the team win. Stay professional and whatever is going on, I’ll keep giving my best and give them my full effort.”
About backing up a career scrub when when we all knew it was about Hennigz, not looking like the stupid idiot that he was, has negated him Going from a 2nd/3rd string center in Philly, to an All Star in Orlando signing a team friendly deal along the way, and dragging this sorry ass team through the mud? You think someone with no heart would be able to do that?

Still not sure how any of that means that he "deserves" a title. It's totally subjective though so if you think that - awesome.

Are we sure he's going to be an all star this year?

I know its awsome because its my opinion and i dont need validation from anyone. Why didnt you answer the question? Does Mo have heart? Well he barely has a heartbeat so poor example.

[MagicStarwipe]

Geez, Vuc is such a trooper. Thank you so much for finally deciding to try in your contract season so your fans can pretend you have played this way for years.

[basketballRob]

Geez, Vuc is such a trooper. Thank you so much for finally deciding to try in your contract season so your fans can pretend you have played this way for years.

The Magic would be foolish not to sell. What are they going to have 50 million tied up in the center position next year?

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[swarlesbarkley]

Still not sure how any of that means that he "deserves" a title. It's totally subjective though so if you think that - awesome.

Are we sure he's going to be an all star this year?

I know its awsome because its my opinion and i dont need validation from anyone. Why didnt you answer the question? Does Mo have heart? Well he barely has a heartbeat so poor example.

I know you dont want him to be an All Star but yes hes already an all star based on the ALL STAR numbers hes putting up. The actual team is a joke because its a popularity contest not a reflection of a players great season which is sad Because alot of guys get snubbed.

The fact is If it were anyone else on this team it wouldnt be a question, and one quip about not agreeing to come off the bench behind clearly inferior talent wouldn't be an issue. Everyone in here knows that's true.

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Sorry man - I honestly thought your questions were rhetorical and it clearly doesn't matter what my opinion is. I don't hate Vuc and I think he's been a solid player for us - he's way exceeded his expectations - and he'll probably go down as a top 10 Magician when he's done.

It just hasn't been winning basketball. And sure, a lot of that is the supporting cast, but at some point, you gotta win to be someone in this league. Maybe he'll go to another team and dominate. Maybe we'll learn he was just putting up great numbers on a bad team for years.

[BlueBalls]

The Nets would match any offer on Russell. Marks views him as the future of the franchise. but it wont ever get to an offersheet. The nets have 30+ in cap room. they will agree to a deal with russell for whatever he wants prior to the start of FA... use their cap space, then go over to sign russell.

Russell wants to stay, similar to Joe Harris last year. I dont think he will even consider other offers. Nets want him back and will pay him the max. He wants to be in brooklyn. Signing an offer sheet only means russell will have less talent around him cause then we cant use our cap space.

Interesting that BK views Russell as the anchor to the franchise.

I certainly like the guy and would love to have him in Orlando, but I don't know that he's good enough to be the cornerstone of a team.

I don’t see any reason why anyone would consider any individual player of BIG a cornerstone and not see DLo as a cornerstone.

Forget wingspan, length, flashy dunks, all that.. he’s a good basketball player that fits the modern NBA well. He’s 22 and a big part in winning his team games

It’s just semantics.