Discuss Ernie Grunfeld's GM skills here (Part 2)

[nate33]

I know this thread is about EG but I cannot help but recall how few people here liked anything about Boogie Cousins.

Suddenly, he's an asset to the Warriors.

(PS -- He is a huge re-rupture risk. He's not going to be nearly the same player, and I fear the worst. Career will be shortened by complications of the same injury)

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Of course he's an asset. He's an All-Star caliber player on a $5M contract.

The Cousins signing was atypical due to a confluence of unusual events. Cousins had a ruptured Achilles and he wanted a long term max contract. There were very few teams with max room, and those that had it, weren't willing to take the risk that he'd never be the same, nor did they want to sign a guy who was likely to not play at all for the first 50 games of the season.

After the market for max deals dried up, Cousins' next best option was to sign a one-year deal, prove that he was healthy, and then look for a max deal next year. The market for one year deals consisted of bad teams with cap room (who had no need to rent Cousins for 30 games) or good teams with MLE exceptions. Cousins figured it was best to join the best team offering an MLE exception. He would get lots of exposure while riding their coattails to a title.

It was a good move for him and for Golden State. But it's not like there were other teams who refused to make that type of offer. Nobody "missed the boat" on Cousins. It's just that circumstances weren't right for them to risk big money on a one-year rental. (Bear in mind that you don't get Bird Rights to exceed the cap if you sign a guy for just 1 year. Cousins was going to be an unrestricted free agent in 2019 either way.) Once it became a bidding war of MLE contracts, then Golden State had the advantage.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Nate, you said a whole lot when five or six of what you said verbatim made my point:

"He's an All-Star caliber player..."

I rest my case!

You and others were saying he'll be a cancer to any team. Called him a coach killer. Argued incorrectly against what I said. For years I might add.



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[leswizards]

I have seen rumors that the Wizards may move porter if the Wizards fall out of contention, or if they get into contention, they may go after Conley and gasol. Either way, I don’t trust eg to make these moves, and I expect him to put the Wizards even further back into years of misery than they already are.

[queridiculo]

I have seen rumors that the Wizards may move porter if the Wizards fall out of contention, or if they get into contention, they may go after Conley and gasol. Either way, I don’t trust eg to make these moves, and I expect him to put the Wizards even further back into years of misery than they already are.

I can't imagine that Grunfeld would be dumb enough to move Porter of either of those guys.

Porter is right back to performing on the level we've grown accustomed to from him, and he's starting to look like quite a bit more assertive than he's looked in years past.

[Dat2U]

Nate, you said a whole lot when five or six of what you said verbatim made my point:

"He's an All-Star caliber player..."

I rest my case!

You and others were saying he'll be a cancer to any team. Called him a coach killer. Argued incorrectly against what I said. For years I might add.



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What are you even claiming to be right about?

Has he even played enough minutes this season to draw reliable conclusions? Hint: No.

[keynote]

Dipo's unfortunate knee injury has improved the odds of Beal squeaking in at 3rd team All-NBA from "none" to "slim". As much as I like Beal, I worry about the prospects of EG negotiating an extension with another max-level guy who would technically qualify for the supermax.

[nate33]

Dipo's unfortunate knee injury has improved the odds of Beal squeaking in at 3rd team All-NBA from "none" to "slim". As much as I like Beal, I worry about the prospects of EG negotiating an extension with another max-level guy who would technically qualify for the supermax.

It is a concern. Though management could simply say they're not negotiating an extension at the moment.

If they wait until Beal's contract is done, his qualification for Designated Player will be based on whether or not he made the All-NBA team in 2021, or if he made it in both 2019 and 2020.

It is an interesting debate whether or not Beal deserves All NBA this year (sans Oladipo). Curry, Harden, Lillard and Kyrie are definitely ahead of him. After that, it will boil down to Beal, Westbrook, Simmons, Klay, Lowry, plus maybe Holiday and Russell getting consideration. I think Westbrook is a pretty clear favorite over Beal, but Beal could get that last spot.

[I_Like_Dirt]

It is a concern. Though management could simply say they're not negotiating an extension at the moment.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

La La La La La ...

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[doclinkin]

For people who don't follow: I brought up some old crap about Cousins after good stuff with docklinkin. Bellinelli, Young, Almond. Dat is in my wheelhouse ...sure I'm wrong.

I know I'm right. I'm sorta amused how he and others beat their dead horses equally as hard as i.

Also, Oladipo down might facilitate Beal trade ...but I don't care.

Just like the callous insensitivity I'm experiencing from many.

It is what it is.

Nobody's perfect.

God is good all the time...even when Dahmer types are murdering.

My son Kendall is 18. If he is alive. Likely is but system and world have flipped.

Politics and how much stuff you have...wall (Mexican not Wallstar)...discuss.

I'll die like Edward G Robinson in Soylent Green.

Today I feel free

Nobody gives a despite we do faux care
..

Thanks God

Preciate you CCJ. Sorry it's hard times coming down like an avalanche. You know we on here to bust on each other and clown for the entertainment of the crowd, none of this is worth taking seriously as life. It's a relief to bitch about things over which we have no control. Yeah it'd be cool to have any sort of influence. It's gratifying to be proven right in retrospect. But ultimately its the use of a few brain cells just trying to outguess the future. And if any of us had any better brain cells than we got, we wouldn't be Wizards fans.

As for the topic at hand. You talking bout Boogie Cousins right? You got a soft spot for a Big Guy with mental issues I think many of us wanted him here even despite the record of the teams he has played on. I never thought his injury would shut him down, his game is not run and jump, its power and leverage and bad attitude. The only thing that gets in the way of a HOF career for big boy is that mental aspect. He does what he wants to do and thinks he's better than he is at the skills that are not his greatest strength.

But still, I miss the era when his type of skill would dominate games. And I have a feeling there is something there the game is missing in this Golden State era of outside in ball. Room for a renaissance in force basketball, A counter to small ball, that takes advantage of offensive rebounding. Except now they made that less significant too with the 14 second reset after an Offensive board. But something about free throws and putbacks and backdoor cuts and a center who can pass and defend. I thought we were going to see it with Boogie and the Brow on the Pelicans. But so far, nope.

Anthony Davis could revolutionize the game though if they used him right. If Popovich had him he would be Tim Duncan times Bill Russell.

[queridiculo]

BTW, did you guys read up on the Cousins business over at Wapo?

So it turns out that Cousins may have shopped his services to the Wizards, but in #soWizards fashion, Washington wasn't inclined to make that move since they had a need for a starting center following the Gortat trade.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

For people who don't follow: I brought up some old crap about Cousins after good stuff with docklinkin. Bellinelli, Young, Almond. Dat is in my wheelhouse ...sure I'm wrong.

I know I'm right. I'm sorta amused how he and others beat their dead horses equally as hard as i.

Also, Oladipo down might facilitate Beal trade ...but I don't care.

Just like the callous insensitivity I'm experiencing from many.

It is what it is.

Nobody's perfect.

God is good all the time...even when Dahmer types are murdering.

My son Kendall is 18. If he is alive. Likely is but system and world have flipped.

Politics and how much stuff you have...wall (Mexican not Wallstar)...discuss.

I'll die like Edward G Robinson in Soylent Green.

Today I feel free

Nobody gives a despite we do faux care
..

Thanks God

Preciate you CCJ. Sorry it's hard times coming down like an avalanche. You know we on here to bust on each other and clown for the entertainment of the crowd, none of this is worth taking seriously as life. It's a relief to bitch about things over which we have no control. Yeah it'd be cool to have any sort of influence. It's gratifying to be proven right in retrospect. But ultimately its the use of a few brain cells just trying to outguess the future. And if any of us had any better brain cells than we got, we wouldn't be Wizards fans.

As for the topic at hand. You talking bout Boogie Cousins right? You got a soft spot for a Big Guy with mental issues I think many of us wanted him here even despite the record of the teams he has played on. I never thought his injury would shut him down, his game is not run and jump, its power and leverage and bad attitude. The only thing that gets in the way of a HOF career for big boy is that mental aspect. He does what he wants to do and thinks he's better than he is at the skills that are not his greatest strength.

But still, I miss the era when his type of skill would dominate games. And I have a feeling there is something there the game is missing in this Golden State era of outside in ball. Room for a renaissance in force basketball, A counter to small ball, that takes advantage of offensive rebounding. Except now they made that less significant too with the 14 second reset after an Offensive board. But something about free throws and putbacks and backdoor cuts and a center who can pass and defend. I thought we were going to see it with Boogie and the Brow on the Pelicans. But so far, nope.

Anthony Davis could revolutionize the game though if they used him right. If Popovich had him he would be Tim Duncan times Bill Russell.

My ****! doclinkin, being a BIPOLAR BEAR has made me see things ...different (and I'm NOT talking visible hallucinations). I'm always going to side with temperamental, non-conforming types who have WAY TOO MUCH self love. That's the stuff delusions of grandeur are made of. Plus, some of us CANNOT keep up with the cool kids and conform to whatever society considers normal and appropriate.

Boogie didn't have problems against small ball.

[payitforward]

I've had visible hallucinations aplenty -- caused by every substance I was able to find... But I suppose that's a subject for another thread, huh?

Unless you ask me what was best, I mean....

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

I've had visible hallucinations aplenty -- caused by every substance I was able to find... But I suppose that's a subject for another thread, huh?

Unless you ask me what was best, I mean....

These posts make me wonder how many of us cats who remain as Wiz fans are so because we’ve subjected ourselves to too many mind altering substances over the years.

Maybe it’s a kind of bizarro Matrix thing — we are all just disembodied brains hooked up to some machine in mad scientist Kevin Broom’s basement (well, not really HIS basement, but the basement of his parents’ house where he, no doubt, lives while spending his days working on ‘his stuff’).

[payitforward]

I've had visible hallucinations aplenty -- caused by every substance I was able to find... But I suppose that's a subject for another thread, huh?

Unless you ask me what was best, I mean....

These posts make me wonder how many of us cats who remain as Wiz fans are so because we’ve subjected ourselves to too many mind altering substances over the years.

Maybe it’s a kind of bizarro Matrix thing — we are all just disembodied brains hooked up to some machine in mad scientist Kevin Broom’s basement (well, not really HIS basement, but the basement of his parents’ house where he, no doubt, lives while spending his days working on ‘his stuff’).

Talk about "visible hallucinations..."

[I_Like_Dirt]

Porter is right back to performing on the level we've grown accustomed to from him, and he's starting to look like quite a bit more assertive than he's looked in years past.

You can't imagine Ernie trading a younger player who has never been an allstar before for two older players who have both been allstars before? These are the kinds of trades Ernie invariably wins only to lose out on anything with long-term vision at play.

[Kanyewest]

BTW, did you guys read up on the Cousins business over at Wapo?

So it turns out that Cousins may have shopped his services to the Wizards, but in #soWizards fashion, Washington wasn't inclined to make that move since they had a need for a starting center following the Gortat trade.

Link? BTW, this sounds believable but just want to send it to some other people.

[closg00]

I am torn about continuing to follow the team, a hellish and very real possibility is that we are facing a complete rebuild with Ernie at the helm for the next 5-6 years, our own Groundhog Day.

[BigA]

I am torn about continuing to follow the team, a hellish and very real possibility is that we are facing a complete rebuild with Ernie at the helm for the next 5-6 years, our own Groundhog Day.

Ted: "There's no way you can blame Ernie for the bad luck with Wall's injury. Obviously, Ernie deserves to lead the rebuild. Where did I leave my copy of the 10-point plan?"