Future Free Agent Thread

Rauxcee · Post #61 » by **Rauxcee** » Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:01 pm

I don't like Conley's health or age for what he's getting paid. If we get the FA we want and then trade for him, his contract won't matter as much.

KqWIN · Post #62 » by **KqWIN** » Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:08 pm

Rauxcee wrote:I don't like Conley's health or age for what he's getting paid. If we get the FA we want and then trade for him, his contract won't matter as much.

The way to trade for him is to do it now for Rubio and Favors, which eats up the cap space, or into space this summer. So I don’t think we can double up.

Here’s why I prefer Porter or Conley over Harris/Middleton:

Porter - 2/$55
Conley - 2/$66

Both expire before Mitchell/Gobert pay bumps.

Harris/Middleton - 4/$140

These two are going to end up costing wayyyyy more than “overpaid” Porter or Conley.

Luigi · Post #63 » by **Luigi** » Sat Jan 19, 2019 10:20 pm

I think I'd go for Conley. He's just too good of a fit to Jazz basketball to ignore. The age and injury history are a factor, and so is the big contract. But those are realistically the things that make him a realistic get for us without having to give up too many assets. Plus, the timetable is nice. It would be a gamble on him being motivated enough to take care of himself in his 30s. George Hill was a failure when it came to it. As long as Conley and Mitchell aren't too small together, that would be a nice pickup.

sipclip · Post #64 » by **sipclip** » Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:59 am

Conley is a good player but I hate the idea of going small in the backcourt. I don't think you can compete for a title with two 6'1" guards starting. Honestly I think a deal of Rubio for Fournier makes quite a bit of sense. I would keep Mitchell starting at the 1 with Royce playing the Bruce Bowen role at the 2 spot. Then have Exum, Fournier, Korver and Crowder bring some serious firepower off the bench.

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BudTugly · Post #65 » by **BudTugly** » Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:10 am

I’m looking for discussion on Tobias Harris, Locke has hinted at him and the numbers are right stat wise. I am a limited viewer and will watch a bunch of YouTube of him but seems like a possibility.

I put up a post in Trades as well, what are the Clips gonna do and if they want to trade him have we got a chance? Seems like there is or could be room to just compete for him as a FA also with some other moves.

CAE15 · Post #66 » by **CAE15** » Mon Jan 21, 2019 2:26 pm

If we could Tobias for either Rubio or Favors plus a pick. I think we have to do it. One if not both of those guys are gone anyway if we actually chase a big FA so 20 something pick isn't really much of a loss considering we can give Tobias a short trial in our system. There is always the chance he leaves in FA but then we still have that cap free to chase someone or multiple other players. Also I wouldn't mind getting Beverly from them or lou williams or Harrell (not happening) or Gallo even assuming we got Tobias also, gallo is fine if we are already spending our cap. Clippers really have some players that could help us out a ton.

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Luigi · Post #67 » by **Luigi** » Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:50 pm

I can't really believe that the Clippers are going to move Harris. Even if they get Durant and Leonard, they're better with Harris, and they can make the cap work to keep him.

I'd take a Rubio for Harris deal. Maybe include Favors. But I'm not so sure Favors isn't going to win us another playoff game this year.

KqWIN · Post #68 » by **KqWIN** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 2:11 am

Starting to think...are we missing something with Brogdan? We saw how effective George Hill was for us in this system, and Brogdan has the same skillset. Seems like he's a guy we should be talking about more.

CAE15 · Post #69 » by **CAE15** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 4:55 am

KqWIN wrote:Starting to think...are we missing something with Brogdan? We saw how effective George Hill was for us in this system, and Brogdan has the same skillset. Seems like he's a guy we should be talking about more.

Bucks are on the cusp, he's definitely worth more to them, than most teams. Maybe they'd include him in a package for a bigger name, but i don't think anything we'd have, that we'd move.

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KqWIN · Post #70 » by **KqWIN** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 5:40 am

CAE15 wrote:
KqWIN wrote:Starting to think...are we missing something with Brogdan? We saw how effective George Hill was for us in this system, and Brogdan has the same skillset. Seems like he's a guy we should be talking about more.
Bucks are on the cusp, he's definitely worth more to them, than most teams. Maybe they'd include him in a package for a bigger name, but i don't think anything we'd have, that we'd move.

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He's a FA this summer. I think he's restricted anyways, but who knows, the Bucks have a lot of players to pay this summer.

Jazz_Man_86 · Post #71 » by **Jazz_Man_86** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:11 am

Mirotic and brogdon these guys would fit us like a glove

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SoCalJazzFan · Post #72 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:44 pm

CAE15 wrote:If we could Tobias for either Rubio or Favors plus a pick. I think we have to do it. One if not both of those guys are gone anyway if we actually chase a big FA
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If the Jazz are intent on chasing a big free agent, then both will have to be renounced as renouncing the rights to Rubio alone will give the Jazz only about $17M in cap space, not enough to chase the free agents everyone expects them to.

Taking this into consideration, it would be worth trading both of them, if necessary, to land someone at the trade deadline, and/or trading for a player, such as Mirotic, that even though is expiring could be resigned yet allow the Jazz to go over the cap to get someone else.

Edit: A crafty approach would be to make a trade for an expiring player, and then this would allow the Jazz to sign another free agent before resigning the traded for player and perhaps keep Favors (or Rubio). At least I think that this would be possible.

This trade deadline is not just about making the team as good as possible for this season, but setting things up for this summer too.

Second Edit: I'm dumb. There really is no way to sign a prize free agent (or even a good one that might cost in the high teens to low 20s) without renouncing both Favors and Ricky as someone's cap hold (Ricky, Derrick or traded for expiring free agent) is going to prevent that.

SoCalJazzFan · Post #73 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Thu Feb 7, 2019 8:34 pm

If I am the Jazz, I'm seriously considering Malcom Brogdan, and Mirotic or JaMychal Green this summer. I think that it is realistic to get these with cap space if Favors renounced. I doubt it is realistic to get a max player.

Edit: I'd also consider Dinwiddie and Randle

Does $34M get you one of these guards and PFs this summer?

stitches · Post #74 » by **stitches** » Thu Feb 7, 2019 9:00 pm

SoCalJazzFan wrote:If I am the Jazz, I'm seriously considering Malcom Brogdan, and Mirotic or JaMychal Green this summer. I think that it is realistic to get these with cap space if Favors renounced. I doubt it is realistic to get a max player.

Edit: I'd also consider Dinwiddie and Randle

Does $34M get you one of these guards and PFs this summer?

Dinwiddie got a contract from the Nets.

I agree Brogdon needs to be considered. I would give Brogdon whatever money Rubio would get. I don't want anything to do with Randle. Favors is 10 times the player Randle is.

IMO we should consider giving a hefty sheet to Russell...

KqWIN · Post #75 » by **KqWIN** » Thu Feb 7, 2019 9:21 pm

Brogdan and Russell are unobtainable, there’s no way their teams let them walk.

I mean...maybe you can get Brogdan on a two year max?

SoCalJazzFan · Post #76 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Thu Feb 7, 2019 9:25 pm

KqWIN wrote:Brogdan and Russell are unobtainable, there’s no way their teams let them walk.

I mean...maybe you can get Brogdan on a two year max?

It would be pretty difficult with Russell given the Nets cap space, but the Bucks have to extend several players (Lopez, Bledsoe, Middleton, Brogdan, Mirotic) or find their replacements. I'm not sure that they can afford to keep Brogdan.

KqWIN · Post #77 » by **KqWIN** » Thu Feb 7, 2019 9:29 pm

SoCalJazzFan wrote:
KqWIN wrote:Brogdan and Russell are unobtainable, there’s no way their teams let them walk.

I mean...maybe you can get Brogdan on a two year max?

It would be pretty difficult with Russell given the Nets cap space, but the Bucks have to extend several players (Lopez, Bledsoe, Middleton, Brogdan, Mirotic) or find their replacements. I'm not sure that they can afford to keep Brogdan.

The Bucks window is now. They have Giannis, and they don’t want to piss him off by being cheap right before his contract ends. They’re going to pay up.

The only way you have a chance is to make it a huge amount of money upfront. I think you’d have to give him a two year max....and why not?

stitches · Post #78 » by **stitches** » Thu Feb 7, 2019 10:32 pm

Something worth following despite what people would tell you right after the trade deadline... Tobias Harris. Butler and Embiid were already fighting for touches on Philly's roster. Can you imagine adding another player who needs touches to that mix? I think it's very possible this blows into 76ers faces and Harris ultimately decides that staying in the corner is not what he wants to do with his career.

Now him getting disillusioned with Philly is only the first step, but if we are going to keep hope for someone relatively high on the free agency totem pole, IMO it still is Harris.

Rauxcee · Post #79 » by **Rauxcee** » Thu Feb 7, 2019 10:46 pm

stitches wrote:Something worth following despite what people would tell you right after the trade deadline... Tobias Harris. Butler and Embiid were already fighting for touches on Philly's roster. Can you imagine adding another player who needs touches to that mix? I think it's very possible this blows into 76ers faces and Harris ultimately decides that staying in the corner is not what he wants to do with his career.

Now him getting disillusioned with Philly is only the first step, but if we are going to keep hope for someone relatively high on the free agency totem pole, IMO it still is Harris.

I'd love Harris. I think the trade to Philly hurts what little chance we had. The Philly situation is strange though. Too many alphas, not enough ball to go around. Also, I don't know why Philly is rushing things. Let their players develop and grow before selling the farm to win now, especially when the GSW are still a juggernaut.

KqWIN · Post #80 » by **KqWIN** » Thu Feb 7, 2019 10:47 pm

stitches wrote:Something worth following despite what people would tell you right after the trade deadline... Tobias Harris. Butler and Embiid were already fighting for touches on Philly's roster. Can you imagine adding another player who needs touches to that mix? I think it's very possible this blows into 76ers faces and Harris ultimately decides that staying in the corner is not what he wants to do with his career.

Now him getting disillusioned with Philly is only the first step, but if we are going to keep hope for someone relatively high on the free agency totem pole, IMO it still is Harris.

Ironically, the Philly trade gave us better chances at both Butler and Harris. Embiid, Harris, and Butler all go to work in the same area. Simmons doesn’t help you when those guys are going for isos or post ups either.

There’s a good chance that both get unhappy. In order for them to succeed, Butler has to do the dirty work. His defense as a wing is more important than his scoring. Tobias is going to be 4th in line to get the ball and is likely going to be relegated to a spot up shooter. Both guys are good at the side stuff, but they probably want a bigger scoring role.

The Harris deal was really puzzling. They should have just gone for Porter.