Taurean Prince

[EazyRoc]

Prince would need to make serious adjustments in his game to fit here moving forward, but I don’t want to move him for a late first. He was a mid-lottery pick and still has a ton of value. But let’s face it. This dude is one of the most selfish basketball players we’ve had on this team since Josh Smith. Even recently, he gets the ball and WILL NOT pass unless he is almost trapped. Then he tries to throw a 3 ft laser pass at the bigs face because the other reality is...this dude has also got to be one of the worse passers I’ve ever seen amongst perimeter players.

[jayu70]

For those on other team forums

Prince is a wing who is an excellent shooter. His defense is inconsistent on a bad team and he better with usage. Not so much without it. He wants to score as thats his best trait. I wouldn't tag him a 3/D player but he is a good talent. Sucks it didn't work here but he was nice under Coach Bud.

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Not a bad idea to see what we can get for Prince. We are probably going to draft at least one wing to go along with Huerter, as this draft is so top heavy with them. Anything is better than not matching and letting him walk for nothing; if he is not in our long range plans.

I would want a mid 1st for him and think it's easily possible due to his position and talent level but I don't want another pick in this draft unless it's in the top 8 range.

I would trade for Z-Bo to get rid of Plumlee. Prince and Plumlee for Z-Bo

I'll rather cap space over a mid 1st in this draft. I haven't seen anything next year to make me feel better about that either. We need more top 10 picks from lottery teams.

That's a waste of an asset. Plumlee has one year left on his contract and Hawks have no cap issues.
If we need capspace that badly to sign a top end FAs (unlikely), I'd rather stretch Plumlee and take the $4 mil cap hit.

[_s_t_u_r_t_]

Yep.

There's no obvious upside to trading Prince at this stage at all. If anything, he could be used as an asset in grabbing the #1 slot in the draft later on.

But while I think Schlenk has shown himself a superior talent evaluator, I'm still skeptical that he's able to pull off trades that end up clearly in our favor. It scares me to think of him trading real assets like Prince period.

[Buzzard]

Yep.

There's no obvious upside to trading Prince at this stage at all. If anything, he could be used as an asset in grabbing the #1 slot in the draft later on.

But while I think Schlenk has shown himself a superior talent evaluator, I'm still skeptical that he's able to pull off trades that end up clearly in our favor. It scares me to think of him trading real assets like Prince period.

I think Prince looks like DeMarre Carroll minus the D right now. Could he be in a package that gets us to #1? Not likely if all the hype on Zion being the next LeBron is taken seriously. It is only my opinion but I don't see Zion being moved at all.

[King Ken]

Prince looked solid tonight. He is coming along well from his injury.

[_s_t_u_r_t_]

Not sure how one can actually say whether a package that includes Prince would get us to #1 w/o knowing the whole of the package. Maybe I'm just not picking up on it, but Zion = LBJ almost has to be an overstatement... no one really thinks that, do they? Besides that, we have almost 3 months yet before the last college game gets played... let's see what happens.

Back to Prince specifically.

I'm one of those who projects Prince to be Paul George like with 2-3 years more maturity and development... just file that for future reference.

[Jamaaliver]

I'm one of those who projects Prince to be Paul George like with 2-3 years more maturity and development... just file that for future reference.

Paul George comparisons might be a bit overly optimistic. Primarily because Taurean will be 25 in a few weeks. By the same age, George had already been a multiple time All Star and an All NBA selection. If TP improves his defense (one of the features that got him drafted) he seems capable of a Khris Middleton type emergence next to a legit star.

But predicting that he might develop into a primary offensive star at age 27+, is a hell of a prediction.
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Atlanta Hawks reportedly “have engaged with teams” in trade talks for Taurean Prince

Two weeks to the deadline and rumors are flying



...a very intriguing name is now emerging, as rumblings began earlier in January that Taurean Prince could be available in trade and Shams Charania of The Athletic added fuel to the fire on Wednesday. Charania’s report indicates that the Hawks “have engaged with teams” in discussing Prince as a potential trade option.

The 24-year-old was a dynamic offensive option in his second season, shooting 38.5 percent on real volume from three-point distance, but Prince has cooled to this point in his third campaign and questions remain about his offensive fit (especially when it comes to ball stopping) and his defensive acumen at this stage.

[Prince] is operating on a rookie-scale contract, meaning that he is clearly a positive contractual asset, even with restricted free agency looming after the 2019-20 season and the potential for extension discussions this summer. That, in turn, would mean that Atlanta should be able to command a strong return for his services but, Prince was not drafted by the current regime (led by GM Travis Schlenk) and may not be seen as a “core” piece of the future in Atlanta.

Peachtree Hoops

[_s_t_u_r_t_]

That's one way to look at it.

The other way is to look at each according to NBA experience.

GEORGE




PRINCE




That looks a little more promising... and all the more so, given that Prince hasn't even been on the floor that much this season, and there's ample opportunity yet to nudge some numbers north...

And NOT so much a helluva prediction, in reality.

But we'll agree on the need to ratchet up the defense. That's actually the bigger challenge than to match George in terms of offense.

[benhillboy]

Work them phones Schlenk. Outside of Prinsanity late last season I’ve never enjoyed watching him play. He can’t space on his own, never hits the offensive glass, turns over more than assists. He just looks lost to me most of the time, most of the other players have a role based on what they do best. There isn’t a consistent, concrete skill there. Shooting .400 from three for a spell isn’t one. His +1.5 DBPM as a rookie looked real good, I can’t see him repeating that in regular minutes.

[Spud2nique]

Work them phones Schlenk. Outside of Prinsanity late last season I’ve never enjoyed watching him play. He can’t space on his own, never hits the offensive glass, turns over more than assists. He just looks lost to me most of the time, most of the other players have a role based on what they do best. There isn’t a consistent, concrete skill there. Shooting .400 from three for a spell isn’t one. His +1.5 DBPM as a rookie looked real good, I can’t see him repeating that in regular minutes.

Hate to have to agree here not cuz it’s you and ur a warrior side fan lol but mainly because late season tanking last season was giving me a skewed look at Taurean in terms of winning impact but rather his individual play. I was confusing the two and it doesn’t fit with the new kids ball movement of our young trio.

[_s_t_u_r_t_]

Think you still might be skewing some things there, Spud.

Hear me out. I'll be brief.

EVERYONE was just feeling out each other's games through the first 25 games... Prince played in the first 24.

Prince has only been back for 5 games. Only been off his minutes restriction for 3. And he played magnificently well, along with everyone else in this last game.

So, you're making a judgment almost entirely based on those first 24 games, plus 5 games coming back from injury.

What the heck?

There's good reason for all this SALIVATING you're reading from other teams' fans that we would actually consider shipping him out. I can't even believe we're having this conversation, really.

[Buzzard]

Think you still might be skewing some things there, Spud.

Hear me out. I'll be brief.

EVERYONE was just feeling out each other's games through the first 25 games... Prince played in the first 24.

Prince has only been back for 5 games. Only been off his minutes restriction for 3. And he played magnificently well, along with everyone else in this last game.

So, you're making a judgment almost entirely based on those first 24 games, plus 5 games coming back from injury.

What the heck?

There's good reason for all this SALIVATING you're reading from other teams' fans that we would actually consider shipping him out. I can't even believe we're having this conversation, really.

I stated earlier in this thread Prince has lottery pick value. Those teams fans salivating are doing so because they are playoff teams and hope to get him for a 20-30 pick. Not happening. Schlenk is not going to give him away.

Markelle Fultz or Zhaire Smith plus a future pick are the only rumors I have heard that are even close. Those other teams need to just keep on drooling on themselves unless they pony up.

[jayu70]

Think you still might be skewing some things there, Spud.

Hear me out. I'll be brief.

EVERYONE was just feeling out each other's games through the first 25 games... Prince played in the first 24.

Prince has only been back for 5 games. Only been off his minutes restriction for 3. And he played magnificently well, along with everyone else in this last game.

So, you're making a judgment almost entirely based on those first 24 games, plus 5 games coming back from injury.

What the heck?

There's good reason for all this SALIVATING you're reading from other teams' fans that we would actually consider shipping him out. I can't even believe we're having this conversation, really.

I stated earlier in this thread Prince has lottery pick value. Those teams fans salivating are doing so because they are playoff teams and hope to get him for a 20-30 pick. Not happening. Schlenk is not going to give him away.

Markelle Fultz or Zhaire Smith plus a future pick are the only rumors I have heard that are even close. Those other teams need to just keep on drooling on themselves unless they pony up.

I think our best bet if we are indeed trading him would be at the draft. Target teams that are trying to make the playoffs this year but will fall short. Like Detroit (currently #10 pick), The Wiz (#8) if they move Porter
Similar to how we got Prince in the first place, trading Teague at the draft for pick #12.
Trading him to a playoff team is pennies on the dollar if it's for a low 20s pick.

[Buzzard]

Think you still might be skewing some things there, Spud.

Hear me out. I'll be brief.

EVERYONE was just feeling out each other's games through the first 25 games... Prince played in the first 24.

Prince has only been back for 5 games. Only been off his minutes restriction for 3. And he played magnificently well, along with everyone else in this last game.

So, you're making a judgment almost entirely based on those first 24 games, plus 5 games coming back from injury.

What the heck?

There's good reason for all this SALIVATING you're reading from other teams' fans that we would actually consider shipping him out. I can't even believe we're having this conversation, really.

I stated earlier in this thread Prince has lottery pick value. Those teams fans salivating are doing so because they are playoff teams and hope to get him for a 20-30 pick. Not happening. Schlenk is not going to give him away.

Markelle Fultz or Zhaire Smith plus a future pick are the only rumors I have heard that are even close. Those other teams need to just keep on drooling on themselves unless they pony up.

I think our best bet if we are indeed trading him would be at the draft. Target teams that are trying to make the playoffs this year but will fall short. Like Detroit (currently #10 pick), The Wiz (#8) if they move Porter
Similar to how we got Prince in the first place, trading Teague at the draft for pick #12.
Trading him to a playoff team is pennies on the dollar if it's for a low 20s pick.

Sturt mentioned this scenario also to get Zion. I don't think anyone gives Zion up but maybe Prince and a pick could be used to move up to grab Barrett.

I don't mind taking a flyer on one of the bigs with a later pick, Dallas pick or trading down. I do think we need to go all in on Barrett if we don't get #1 and Zion. I think Young, Barrett, Huerter. and Collins would be pretty dynamic in a very short time.

[jayu70]

I stated earlier in this thread Prince has lottery pick value. Those teams fans salivating are doing so because they are playoff teams and hope to get him for a 20-30 pick. Not happening. Schlenk is not going to give him away.

Markelle Fultz or Zhaire Smith plus a future pick are the only rumors I have heard that are even close. Those other teams need to just keep on drooling on themselves unless they pony up.

I think our best bet if we are indeed trading him would be at the draft. Target teams that are trying to make the playoffs this year but will fall short. Like Detroit (currently #10 pick), The Wiz (#8) if they move Porter
Similar to how we got Prince in the first place, trading Teague at the draft for pick #12.
Trading him to a playoff team is pennies on the dollar if it's for a low 20s pick.

Sturt mentioned this scenario also to get Zion. I don't think anyone gives Zion up but maybe Prince and a pick could be used to move up to grab Barrett.

I don't mind taking a flyer on one of the bigs with a later pick, Dallas pick or trading down. I do think we need to go all in on Barrett if we don't get #1 and Zion. I think Young, Barrett, Huerter. and Collins would be pretty dynamic in a very short time.

It all depends on where our own pick lands and if we even will need to move up for 'our' guy. (I can't speak to which prospect would be best, no cball for me).
This is why my preference is to keep him until the draft. (Unless it's a crazy offer at the deadline), more options available.

[_s_t_u_r_t_]

Sturt mentioned this scenario also to get Zion. I don't think anyone gives Zion up but maybe Prince and a pick could be used to move up to grab Barrett.

I continue to say it's hard to project what the team with the draft rights to the #1 is going to value.

Would they take 3 #1 picks for it? Would they take 4 #1 picks for it? Would they take 4 #1 picks and Prince for it?

Who can really say. Too many variables.

[Buzzard]

Sturt mentioned this scenario also to get Zion. I don't think anyone gives Zion up but maybe Prince and a pick could be used to move up to grab Barrett.

I continue to say it's hard to project what the team with the draft rights to the #1 is going to value.

Would they take 3 #1 picks for it? Would they take 4 #1 picks for it? Would they take 4 #1 picks and Prince for it?

Who can really say. Too many variables.

My opinion on Zion is just that. Could I be wrong? You bet cha. The flip side of your coin is: if you value Zion this much, don't you think most everyone else does too?

[jayu70]

Sturt mentioned this scenario also to get Zion. I don't think anyone gives Zion up but maybe Prince and a pick could be used to move up to grab Barrett.

I continue to say it's hard to project what the team with the draft rights to the #1 is going to value.

Would they take 3 #1 picks for it? Would they take 4 #1 picks for it? Would they take 4 #1 picks and Prince for it?

Who can really say. Too many variables.

My opinion on Zion is just that. Could I be wrong? You bet cha. The flip side of your coin is: if you value Zion this much, don't you think most everyone else does too?

Teams like Phoenix and especoally Orlando (Gordon, Isaac and Bamba) that desperately need a PG won't value Zion on court contribution the same. He'd be more of a commodity to get them what they need and get a kings ransome for trading him.

[_s_t_u_r_t_]

if you value Zion this much

This is the core of my response... I don't know what value to assume for Zion from the team owning the #1 slot, and I don't know what value to assume for Zion from Schlenk's side of the table. There's too much left to be determined to play in that sandbox. All I'm suggesting is, at the risk of stating the obvious, that (a) there is *some* price that the #1 slot would be willing to take and (b) there is *some* price that Schlenk would be willing to pay.

So, then, it's plausible to think about a pile of #1 draft picks as good currency to have on-hand if you're Schlenk... and where Prince is concerned, if this is the direction being taken, he represents a SF asset that a theoretical team could see as a good alternative to Zion in that kind of deal.

So, then, it's plausible to think any talk about trading Prince right now is premature. As Jay and others have suggested, IF you're going to trade him (and I can't stress enough, SFs of his body type and skill set are especially rare, so that's an exceptional "if"), you want to do so on draft night, not until then.

[Buzzard]

if you value Zion this much

So, then, it's plausible to think any talk about trading Prince right now is premature. As Jay and others have suggested, IF you're going to trade him (and I can't stress enough, SFs of his body type and skill set are especially rare, so that's an exceptional "if"), you want to do so on draft night, not until then.

Trying to predict who wants what on draft night is no different than trying to predict the weather on draft night. Assumptions that "maybe" we can get Zion. My stance is if we get a good enough offer now we should move now; because there may not be a better option on draft night.

Your thinking seems very black and white; draft night and for Zion only. My opinion is Prince is a valuable commodity; move him if and only if we get a valuable offer for him. I don't care what night it is. No offers good enough, we still have him next season.

I think we both value Prince and Zion; I just don't believe in crystal balls or weathermen