Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVII

[Eli Babak]

I wonder if the Lakers still have any interest in trading for wall. If that was ever the case lonzo and kcp and wagnor ? No picks not super prime assets ? Hell I'd do it for rondo at this point.rondo kcp and wagnor

If we could get Ball+KCP for Wall I'd be super happy. LeBron goes on holiday after the all-star break, Lakers tank rest of the season and make some moves next summer. Meanwhile in DC Ernie is fired and things look brighter.

Oops, I was just dreaming! So no, nobody's trading for injured Wall this season. We can only pray he recovers well, becomes a better 3pt shooter & smarter with shot selection and starts playing off the ball and also some defense. Is that too much to ask for a guy who's gonna make 37.8M next year? Hopefully Knicks or some another team is foolish enough to trade for him.

[ClutchDJ]

Still having trade discussions involving Wall, lol.

[nate33]

I wonder if the Lakers still have any interest in trading for wall. If that was ever the case lonzo and kcp and wagnor ? No picks not super prime assets ? Hell I'd do it for rondo at this point.rondo kcp and wagnor

Wall won't be traded until this summer, at the very earliest.

My favorite Wall trade scenario involves New York:
* New York lands Durant in free agency
* Factoring their pick and cap hold, their cap number is $108M. No room for another star free agent
* To get another star, they trade Tim Hardaway + Courtney Lee for John Wall
* Ideally, we incorporate a Dwight Howard for Mitchell Robinson swap as part of the trade, but that may be too optimistic.
* We save $8M in the deal ($12M if the Dwight Howard part is included)
* We draft Darius Garland with our pick.
* We draft Brandon Clarke with a 2nd round pick we obtain in an Ariza trade this year.
* We resign Sato and Bryant for a combined $16M

Our lineup is:
PG Sato/Garland
SG Beal/Hardaway/Lee
SF Porter/Brown
PF ???/Clarke
C Bryant/Howard/Mahinmi

That lineup has a price tag of $122M. That leaves roughly $10M in luxtax room to find a starting PF. I'd be fine with a resigned Green for something like 2 years $10M. The expiring contracts of Lee and Mahinmi might also be useful in a midseason trade. Also, Howard could opt out and give us much more luxtax breathing room.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

I wonder if the Lakers still have any interest in trading for wall. If that was ever the case lonzo and kcp and wagnor ? No picks not super prime assets ? Hell I'd do it for rondo at this point.rondo kcp and wagnor

Wall won't be traded until this summer, at the very earliest.

My favorite Wall trade scenario involves New York:
* New York lands Durant in free agency
* Factoring their pick and cap hold, their cap number is $108M. No room for another star free agent
* To get another star, they trade Tim Hardaway + Courtney Lee for John Wall
* Ideally, we incorporate a Dwight Howard for Mitchell Robinson swap as part of the trade, but that may be too optimistic.
* We save $8M in the deal ($12M if the Dwight Howard part is included)
* We draft Darius Garland with our pick.
* We draft Brandon Clarke with a 2nd round pick we obtain in an Ariza trade this year.
* We resign Sato and Bryant for a combined $16M

Our lineup is:
PG Sato/Garland
SG Beal/Hardaway/Lee
SF Porter/Brown
PF ???/Clarke
C Bryant/Howard/Mahinmi

That lineup has a price tag of $122M. That leaves roughly $10M in luxtax room to find a starting PF. I'd be fine with a resigned Green for something like 2 years $10M. The expiring contracts of Lee and Mahinmi might also be useful in a midseason trade. Also, Howard could opt out and give us much more luxtax breathing room.

I’d be fine with resigning Ariza instead of trading him and keeping Green. Treadmill, no doubt, but kind of fun to root for.

We’d be betting on Brown taking the leap, meaning the ‘next gen’ of Garland, Beal, Brown, Porter, Bryant would be our core going forward.

[nate33]

I’d be fine with resigning Ariza instead of trading him and keeping Green. Treadmill, no doubt, but kind of fun to root for.

We’d be betting on Brown taking the leap, meaning the ‘next gen’ of Garland, Beal, Brown, Porter, Bryant would be our core going forward.

Ariza is 1.2 years older and has a lot more miles on him. He relies more on quickness and footspeed rather than strength so I'm worried about his game declining pretty quickly. I think Green has at least 2 more good years in him before the decline becomes a problem. I also like Green's versatility to play minutes at the 5. Green will also probably be cheaper.

I'd like to have both back, but assuming finances get in the way, I'd prioritize Green.

[rl25g]

saw a saw a similar trade to this one changed it a little...

Was trades: Porter, Mahinmi, Dwight
Was Receives: Bayesmore, Favors, thabo

ATL trades: Bayesmore, Lin
ATL receives: Mahinmi, Rubio, Utah 1st

Utah trades: Rubio, Favors, Thabo, 1st
Utah Receives: Porter, Lin, Dwight

The initial iteration did not have Bayesmore in it. I flipped Rubio for him. For Atl's perspective, they add a 1st and continue their tank.

Utah balances out their team with Porter and Lin. I added the Dwight for Thabo swap to give Utah an emergency plan for Gobert (since Favors would be gone).

For us, this not only saves money (barely gets us out of the tax), but raises the ceiling for our team. If Porter is coming off the bench, then let Bayesmore take his spot. I love Bryant, but having Favors as a starting center improve the team immensely.

Sato/Randle
Beal/Bayesmore
Ariza/Bayesmore/Brown
Green/Ariza/Thabo
Favors/Bryant/Green

I'd then consider trading Wall, Morris and Dekker for Conley.

Conley/Sato
Beal/Bayesmore/Sato
Ariza/Bayesmore/Sato/Green
Green/Ariza/Thabo
Favors/Bryant/Green

[NatP4]

We should buy low on Thon Maker

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

saw a saw a similar trade to this one changed it a little...

Was trades: Porter, Mahinmi, Dwight
Was Receives: Bayesmore, Favors, thabo

ATL trades: Bayesmore, Lin
ATL receives: Mahinmi, Rubio, Utah 1st

Utah trades: Rubio, Favors, Thabo, 1st
Utah Receives: Porter, Lin, Dwight

The initial iteration did not have Bayesmore in it. I flipped Rubio for him. For Atl's perspective, they add a 1st and continue their tank.

Utah balances out their team with Porter and Lin. I added the Dwight for Thabo swap to give Utah an emergency plan for Gobert (since Favors would be gone).

For us, this not only saves money (barely gets us out of the tax), but raises the ceiling for our team. If Porter is coming off the bench, then let Bayesmore take his spot. I love Bryant, but having Favors as a starting center improve the team immensely.

Sato/Randle
Beal/Bayesmore
Ariza/Bayesmore/Brown
Green/Ariza/Thabo
Favors/Bryant/Green

I'd then consider trading Wall, Morris and Dekker for Conley.

Conley/Sato
Beal/Bayesmore/Sato
Ariza/Bayesmore/Sato/Green
Green/Ariza/Thabo
Favors/Bryant/Green

Well, yeah.

If Ernie could pull this one off he’d be... well, someone other than Ernie.

Give up one very good but slightly overpaid player plus clear the queue of toxic assets to get back two very good, just beneath all star level players plus a useful swing man.

Sign me up... but also color me skeptical

[dckingsfan]

Semi lurker here.... I think this is a real good question. So many teams have cap space and need good back up point guards, it will be hard to keep Sato for less than 8-10M.

As an outsider it’s really hard to discern what strategic plan the Wiz are following.

One more hypothetical for you... are there any of the following players (along with expirings) that you think Sac would part with?
Bogdan Bogdanovic; Yogi Ferrell; Justin Jackson; Harry Giles

I can never get a read on what Vlade Divac would do...

Yogi - yes
Jackson - probably (if getting Porter)
Giles- maybe
WCS - maybe

I think Giles and Jackson or certainly Giles and Ferrell would get it done. Well, it should get it done. But maybe Divac just wants to wait for the FA period to see what he can get done then.

[rl25g]

One more hypothetical for you... are there any of the following players (along with expirings) that you think Sac would part with?
Bogdan Bogdanovic; Yogi Ferrell; Justin Jackson; Harry Giles

I can never get a read on what Vlade Divac would do...

Yogi - yes
Jackson - probably (if getting Porter)
Giles- maybe
WCS - maybe

I think Giles and Jackson or certainly Giles and Ferrell would get it done. Well, it should get it done. But maybe Divac just wants to wait for the FA period to see what he can get done then.

I love Otto but I'd this point I'd do Porter for Randolph/McLemore/Jackson in a heartbeat.

Jackson can take Porter's 6th man tag and we are out of the tax this year and next. Having another guard option in McLemore works nicely too.

[payitforward]

...it’s really hard to discern what strategic plan the Wiz are following.

I can never get a read on what Vlade Divac would do...

HOF exchange between fans!!

[dangermouse]

Yogi - yes
Jackson - probably (if getting Porter)
Giles- maybe
WCS - maybe

I think Giles and Jackson or certainly Giles and Ferrell would get it done. Well, it should get it done. But maybe Divac just wants to wait for the FA period to see what he can get done then.

I love Otto but I'd this point I'd do Porter for Randolph/McLemore/Jackson in a heartbeat.

Jackson can take Porter's 6th man tag and we are out of the tax this year and next. Having another guard option in McLemore works nicely too.

Tastes incredibly lopsided in favour of the Kings. Can we maybe get a first or Bogdanovic, or both?

[Ruzious]

I wonder if the Lakers still have any interest in trading for wall. If that was ever the case lonzo and kcp and wagnor ? No picks not super prime assets ? Hell I'd do it for rondo at this point.rondo kcp and wagnor

Wall won't be traded until this summer, at the very earliest.

My favorite Wall trade scenario involves New York:
* New York lands Durant in free agency
* Factoring their pick and cap hold, their cap number is $108M. No room for another star free agent
* To get another star, they trade Tim Hardaway + Courtney Lee for John Wall
* Ideally, we incorporate a Dwight Howard for Mitchell Robinson swap as part of the trade, but that may be too optimistic.
* We save $8M in the deal ($12M if the Dwight Howard part is included)
* We draft Darius Garland with our pick.
* We draft Brandon Clarke with a 2nd round pick we obtain in an Ariza trade this year.
* We resign Sato and Bryant for a combined $16M

Our lineup is:
PG Sato/Garland
SG Beal/Hardaway/Lee
SF Porter/Brown
PF ???/Clarke
C Bryant/Howard/Mahinmi

That lineup has a price tag of $122M. That leaves roughly $10M in luxtax room to find a starting PF. I'd be fine with a resigned Green for something like 2 years $10M. The expiring contracts of Lee and Mahinmi might also be useful in a midseason trade. Also, Howard could opt out and give us much more luxtax breathing room.

I like that draft a lot, but Clarke's probably a 1st rounder - even if some mocks have him going 2nd round. Love the Garland pick - it'd be interesting to see how Wall would react to it.

[Ruzious]

Going back to the idea of drafting Garland, how about making a draft day agreement with Boston to trade Wall for Hayward and filler and one of Boston's 4 1st rounders?

[Eli Babak]

Anthony Davis has requested a trade. Otto Porter for Anthony Davis, who says no?

Going back to the idea of drafting Garland, how about making a draft day agreement with Boston to trade Wall for Hayward and filler and one of Boston's 4 1st rounders?

Why would Boston want Wall? At least Hayward expires in 2 years compared to that horrific supermax deal and they're very likely re-signing Kyrie.

Someone posted Hardaway + 2020 1st round pick for Wall on the trade board and I'd be fine with that. I have no faith in Wall changing his habits - at least as long as Brooks is the head coach.

[Ruzious]

Anthony Davis has requested a trade. Otto Porter for Anthony Davis, who says no?

Going back to the idea of drafting Garland, how about making a draft day agreement with Boston to trade Wall for Hayward and filler and one of Boston's 4 1st rounders?

Why would Boston want Wall? At least Hayward expires in 2 years compared to that horrific supermax deal and they're very likely re-signing Kyrie.

Someone posted Hardaway + 2020 1st round pick for Wall on the trade board and I'd be fine with that. I have no faith in Wall changing his habits - at least as long as Brooks is the head coach.

It'd be more about Boston not wanting Hayward - who's having an awful season. It depends on which Boston figures has a better chance of returning to form. Also, I'm guessing Boston would rather not re-sign Terry Rozier - who's having a disappointing season.

[Eli Babak]

Going back to the idea of drafting Garland, how about making a draft day agreement with Boston to trade Wall for Hayward and filler and one of Boston's 4 1st rounders?

Why would Boston want Wall? At least Hayward expires in 2 years compared to that horrific supermax deal and they're very likely re-signing Kyrie.

It'd be more about Boston not wanting Hayward - who's having an awful season. It depends on which Boston figures has a better chance of returning to form. Also, I'm guessing Boston would rather not re-sign Terry Rozier - who's having a disappointing season.

Irving is also a good shooter so they could play with each other assuming Stevens gets Wall play some defense and move off the ball. I don't know, I guess I would have to say yes to that offer. Paying 60M for Hayward and Porter is very bad but better than 40M for Wall.

I really wish we can end Wall era this summer. What a terrific start it would be to our new GM (please ) to get rid of him and start building around Beal/Porter/Sato/Bryant/etc.

[FAH1223]

Anthony Davis has requested a trade. Otto Porter for Anthony Davis, who says no?

Going back to the idea of drafting Garland, how about making a draft day agreement with Boston to trade Wall for Hayward and filler and one of Boston's 4 1st rounders?

Why would Boston want Wall? At least Hayward expires in 2 years compared to that horrific supermax deal and they're very likely re-signing Kyrie.

Someone posted Hardaway + 2020 1st round pick for Wall on the trade board and I'd be fine with that. I have no faith in Wall changing his habits - at least as long as Brooks is the head coach.

Pelicans will be like the Spurs

They want AD in the East.

They want an All Star in return.

Beal for AD!

[nate33]

Going back to the idea of drafting Garland, how about making a draft day agreement with Boston to trade Wall for Hayward and filler and one of Boston's 4 1st rounders?

I'd do that in a heartbeat, but Boston wouldn't. They're not going to ask their franchise player to play out of position to make room for an injury-prone Wall and his gigantic contract.

The only way this makes some plausible sense is if Boston trades Kyrie for Davis (because they can't have both Kyrie and Davis on Designated Player extensions).

[Ruzious]

Going back to the idea of drafting Garland, how about making a draft day agreement with Boston to trade Wall for Hayward and filler and one of Boston's 4 1st rounders?

I'd do that in a heartbeat, but Boston wouldn't. They're not going to ask their franchise player to play out of position to make room for an injury-prone Wall and his gigantic contract.

The only way this makes some plausible sense is if Boston trades Kyrie for Davis (because they can't have both Kyrie and Davis on Designated Player extensions).

I don't really think of Kyrie as a PG - though perhaps he and Boston do. I think of Kyrie, Smart and even Rozier all as combo guards. Last season, Smart averaged slightly more assists per minute than Kyrie did, and Rozier has always been labelled a PG.