Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread (Part 2)

[Hazer]

Nobody is trading out of #1. Dont be absurd. 4 Toyota Corollas does not equal one Ferrari.

Yeah, but an Explorer/Fiesta/Focus/F150 equals a Raptor. Which is the proper analogy.

Do you want a make a bet on this? I guarantee no one trades #1.

Naaa, I’m concerned with the Hawks and their progress, not you

[raleigh]

Maker for Prince seems like a decent trade to me...

Haha. Why not? They’re both 24, can’t spell assist, and are looking to get paid soon.

I’ll use green font next time, but even when Prince is playing well he’s unenjoyable to watch...

[Jamaaliver]

Maybe we should play for it. You and ur bf Jamaal against me and my acquaintance Sturt..

How the hell did I get dragged into this?


...also, I'm in.

[jayu70]

Maker for Prince seems like a decent trade to me...

Haha. Why not? They’re both 24, can’t spell assist, and are looking to get paid soon.

I’ll use green font next time, but even when Prince is playing well he’s unenjoyable to watch...

C'Mon man, Thon's about to be 34.

[_s_t_u_r_t_]

Okay, here ya go... the megatrade of 2019... #1a... #1b... and #2.

Hawks shed all of the anticipated suspects--Lin, Baze, and Dedmon, but also Plumlee as a consequence of rescuing MEM from their atrocious Parsons contract.

Then, Schlenk buys-out and waives Parsons, Randolph and Koufos immediately.

Schlenk's net take-home is pretty sweet.




And yet... this is NOT just the pie in the sky dreams of a Hawks fan.

Not suggesting that any of it will happen, of course. It won't.

But it is at least rooted in what non-Hawk fans (bloggers on sites like FanSided) have regarded as fair exchanges with teams interested in Hawks assets.

[Spud2nique]

I’m sorry on the above trade whose 1st rounder do we end up with and also do we land Fultz?

[CP War Hawks]

If Bud can't get anything out of Maker, I don't want him. I wanna to trade Prince for Jerami Grant.

[_s_t_u_r_t_]

I’m sorry on the above trade whose 1st rounder do we end up with and also do we land Fultz?

Anything you see under ATL is what ATL acquires (and anything you see under the other teams' column is theirs)... with the caveat that Turner and Baldwin appear in red, because they get flipped in other trades. So, answering your question, we end up with SAC 1st rounder, and in effect flip ours and CHA 2nd round slots with POR and MEM 1st round slots... and yes, Fultz and Babb.

[jayu70]

I’m sorry on the above trade whose 1st rounder do we end up with and also do we land Fultz?

Anything you see under ATL is what ATL acquires (and anything you see under the other teams' column is theirs)... with the caveat that Turner and Baldwin appear in red, because they get flipped in other trades. So, answering your question, we end up with SAC 1st rounder, and in effect flip ours and CHA 2nd round slots with POR and MEM 1st round slots... and yes, Fultz and Babb.

SAC doesn't have their 2019 1st. It goes to Boston.

[Spud2nique]

I’m sorry on the above trade whose 1st rounder do we end up with and also do we land Fultz?

Anything you see under ATL is what ATL acquires (and anything you see under the other teams' column is theirs)... with the caveat that Turner and Baldwin appear in red, because they get flipped in other trades. So, answering your question, we end up with SAC 1st rounder, and in effect flip ours and CHA 2nd round slots with POR and MEM 1st round slots... and yes, Fultz and Babb.

SAC doesn't have their 2019 1st. It goes to Boston.

Oh true...Man these stupid Celts picks never end. They have the Grizz pick too don’t they? Ugh.

[_s_t_u_r_t_]

SAC doesn't have their 2019 1st. It goes to Boston.

Good catch. Missed that, and upon further review, also missed that MEM's 2019 is all but spoken-for as well... yes, to you know who... again.

So, instead of loading up on 2019 picks, we instead end up with one 2019, two 2021s... added, of course, to the possible 2020 from CLE and the possible 2022 from OKC.

Corrected...

[dms269]

Why would Memphis do that deal? They trade a first to gain 5 million in extra 2020 salary.

[_s_t_u_r_t_]

Why would Memphis do that deal? They trade a first to gain 5 million in extra 2020 salary.

Here's why.

On the con side, yes, they're adding some salary. And one of those salaries is Plumlee's.

On the pro side, this is effectively a Melo situation in MEM. They're reportedly talking to ATL because they're looking for some way to climb out from under the remaining two years of a big lump contract that is even slightly larger than the Dwight Howard one we sent away. I mean, they're not even playing Parsons right now. Effectively, they're saying, we're better off without this guy even seeing the floor.

In exchange, they're getting a legitimate SG who will actually help them this season, and presumably next.

And, they're getting what we got when we sent out Dwight--flexibility. Can't easily trade a $25m contract. By comparison much easier to trade Plumlee's $12.5m, and if it came to that, Turner's $18m.

And they have no legit 3rd C on their roster right now, so there's that, for what that matters.

Somewhat obviously, I would have to agree that some degree of protection would probably be required to actually make the deal. (I didn't mess with levels of protection as I wrote this up.)

Last... I probably wouldn't have even bothered with that component to the package, except for the report that MEM has engaged ATL in talks about Parsons.

[dms269]

Why would Memphis do that deal? They trade a first to gain 5 million in extra 2020 salary.

Here's why.

On the con side, yes, they're adding some salary. And one of those salaries is Plumlee's.

On the pro side, this is effectively a Melo situation in MEM. They're reportedly talking to ATL because they're looking for some way to climb out from under the remaining two years of a big lump contract that is even slightly larger than the Dwight Howard one we sent away. I mean, they're not even playing Parsons right now. Effectively, they're saying, we're better off without this guy even seeing the floor.

In exchange, they're getting a legitimate SG who will actually help them this season, and presumably next.

And, they're getting what we got when we sent out Dwight--flexibility. Can't easily trade a $25m contract. By comparison much easier to trade Plumlee's $12.5m, and if it came to that, Turner's $18m.

And they have no legit 3rd C on their roster right now, so there's that, for what that matters.

Somewhat obviously, I would have to agree that some degree of protection would probably be required to actually make the deal. (I didn't mess with levels of protection as I wrote this up.)

Last... I probably wouldn't have even bothered with that component to the package, except for the report that MEM has engaged ATL in talks about Parsons.

If Memphis is giving up that 2020 first I think they would expect to be getting expirings, not an overpaid 6th man and a 3rd string un-playable center. While I get that they are getting smaller contracts they can move, I don't see them being able to do that this year.

And I doubt Atlanta would be willing to pay parsons what it would cost to buy him out this season. he is due to make $49 million (this and next season). You know he isn't going to take a huge cut from that.

[_s_t_u_r_t_]

Why would Memphis do that deal? They trade a first to gain 5 million in extra 2020 salary.

Here's why.

On the con side, yes, they're adding some salary. And one of those salaries is Plumlee's.

On the pro side, this is effectively a Melo situation in MEM. They're reportedly talking to ATL because they're looking for some way to climb out from under the remaining two years of a big lump contract that is even slightly larger than the Dwight Howard one we sent away. I mean, they're not even playing Parsons right now. Effectively, they're saying, we're better off without this guy even seeing the floor.

In exchange, they're getting a legitimate SG who will actually help them this season, and presumably next.

And, they're getting what we got when we sent out Dwight--flexibility. Can't easily trade a $25m contract. By comparison much easier to trade Plumlee's $12.5m, and if it came to that, Turner's $18m.

And they have no legit 3rd C on their roster right now, so there's that, for what that matters.

Somewhat obviously, I would have to agree that some degree of protection would probably be required to actually make the deal. (I didn't mess with levels of protection as I wrote this up.)

Last... I probably wouldn't have even bothered with that component to the package, except for the report that MEM has engaged ATL in talks about Parsons.

If Memphis is giving up that 2020 first I think they would expect to be getting expirings, not an overpaid 6th man and a 3rd string un-playable center. While I get that they are getting smaller contracts they can move, I don't see them being able to do that this year.

And I doubt Atlanta would be willing to pay parsons what it would cost to buy him out this season. he is due to make $49 million (this and next season). You know he isn't going to take a huge cut from that.

I don't know what other offers they have on the table or who else they might be dealing with, but I figure THAT is the measure of comparison, as opposed to what "they would expect." So, if they have a better option, sure... take that one. I'm not sure there is one, but maybe there is.

And/but based on what we know, the alternative for now is $24m and $25m being paid for absolutely nothing.

To me, if this was a serious conversation between the GMs, the principals of the deal here are reasonable, and it then comes down to the pick protection.

To your other point, ATL comes out of the deal responsible for $1m more overall payroll than what they're starting with... so no big deal even if they wouldn't get to slice off some salary from Parsons' side.

[King Ken]

If all it takes is our 1st 2019 and Bazemore, I would trade for AD. Not interested in trading two 1st rounders for AD without an extension.

Trae
Kevin
Prince
Collins
AD

[Jamaaliver]

An asset I'd make a play for immediately, that Indiana pick.

I'd toss them Prince and a 2nd rounder for their lottery protected 2019 1st round pick.

Thad, Tyreke and Bojan are all Free agents this summer. Taurean could step in at SF for the forseeable future with Indy. TP's still on a rookie contract for a year and a half and is closer in age to Oladipo.

Their pick currently stands at #26. But odds are they'll lose enough games that the pick should fall to somewhere around #20.

Prince...is on his way out of Atlanta before a well earned pay increase in 2020. And that pick between #21-25 could net us one of Johntay Porter, Bruno Fernando, Daniel Gafford, Grant Williams.



Unless you believe that Taurean is a part of our core moving forward, this is a no-brainer.

[personanongrata]

Travis, I hope you're working the phones my man. It's a seller's market. Make it happen.

[King Ken]

Travis, I hope you're working the phones my man. It's a seller's market. Make it happen.

It's a seller market but they don't want to buy **** for value. In reality, it's a dead market

[_s_t_u_r_t_]

Unless you believe that Taurean is a part of our core moving forward, this is a no-brainer.

I believe Taurean is part of our core, insomuch as we can possibly delineate that at this stage...

And I really don't know why so much is being made of the one report that he's been discussed in trades... as-if that suggests we're calling others and marketing him, rather than that others are calling us to gauge how high the price would be.

There are NO untouchables on this roster, not even Young.