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OT: WOJ: Anthony Davis requests trade; no intention of resigning with Pelicans

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Re: OT: WOJ: Anthony Davis requests trade; no intention of resigning with Pelicans 

Post#501 » by Uncle Dennis » Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:46 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:
SFour wrote:Raptors are slowly shooting up the rankings on betting sites https://mybookie.ag/sportsbook/nba/specials

ANTHONY DAVIS TRADED BEFORE THE 2019 DEADLINE?
Wager Cut Off: 2019 4th February 12:00 PM

New Orleans -200
Toronto +500
LA Lakers +600
LA Clippers +700
Brooklyn +1000
Houston +1200
Oklahoma City +1200
Boston +1500
The Field +300


Why do I get the feeling this is based on an online algorithm that looks for chat based on the team and davis.


That's probably the more likely reason, although strangely "The Field" has a higher probability over the Raptors. Not going to put much stock into this.
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Re: OT: WOJ: Anthony Davis requests trade; no intention of resigning with Pelicans 

Post#502 » by Fairview4Life » Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:48 pm

xavis wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
SFour wrote:Raptors are slowly shooting up the rankings on betting sites https://mybookie.ag/sportsbook/nba/specials

ANTHONY DAVIS TRADED BEFORE THE 2019 DEADLINE?
Wager Cut Off: 2019 4th February 12:00 PM

New Orleans -200
Toronto +500
LA Lakers +600
LA Clippers +700
Brooklyn +1000
Houston +1200
Oklahoma City +1200
Boston +1500
The Field +300


Why do I get the feeling this is based on an online algorithm that looks for chat based on the team and davis.


That's probably the more likely reason, although strangely "The Field" has a higher probability over the Raptors. Not going to put much stock into this.


It's based on money being bet, above everything.
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Re: OT: WOJ: Anthony Davis requests trade; no intention of resigning with Pelicans 

Post#503 » by Red_Claw » Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:48 pm

mtcan wrote:
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Kawhi and Davis could sign for the Clips together next off season but this the now. The only thing that matters to is Raps fans is this year whatever happens after that will not matter if we go all the way to the NBA finals. We can rebuild after this season but **** I'll mortgage the future if we can somehow go all the way. Masais loyalty is to winning, and we will be in prime position if we can somehow trade for Davis this season. The lineup of Lowry, Green, Kawhi, AD and JV is championship material!


Wrong.

Davis is under contract next season. If Clips get him this season, it will make the the decision to join them MUCH easier.

A bunch of expiring contracts for SGA, Harrell and a FRP that is guaranteed to suck if Davis goes to the Clippers is not the best deal available.


I agree, but if AD forces the pels to deal him to one of the 2 LA teams, its not a terrible deal. I also don't consider Harris "just and expiring contract"
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Re: OT: WOJ: Anthony Davis requests trade; no intention of resigning with Pelicans 

Post#504 » by Johnny Bball » Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:49 pm

Fairview4Life wrote:
xavis wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
Why do I get the feeling this is based on an online algorithm that looks for chat based on the team and davis.


That's probably the more likely reason, although strangely "The Field" has a higher probability over the Raptors. Not going to put much stock into this.


It's based on money being bet, above everything.


And who bets money... the people talking about it with their hearts instead of their heads? Line has to start somewhere.
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Re: OT: WOJ: Anthony Davis requests trade; no intention of resigning with Pelicans 

Post#505 » by brownbobcat » Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:51 pm

Boogie! wrote:
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We only get better by 1 win. Would not do.


The thing about that trade is we have no bench bigs.

Who are we gonna play Delon, Norm, miles and who? Unless you move ibaka to bench but then who's the starting 4 and backup 4

That's a problem, but one I could easily live with if it meant AD on the roster. You could trade for a guy like Taj Gibson or hope for something on the buyout market.
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Re: OT: WOJ: Anthony Davis requests trade; no intention of resigning with Pelicans 

Post#506 » by SFour » Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:51 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:
Fairview4Life wrote:
xavis wrote:
That's probably the more likely reason, although strangely "The Field" has a higher probability over the Raptors. Not going to put much stock into this.


It's based on money being bet, above everything.


And who bets money... the people talking about it with their hearts instead of their heads? Line has to start somewhere.


It's also based on rumours and media reports...odds will change accordingly.
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Re: OT: WOJ: Anthony Davis requests trade; no intention of resigning with Pelicans 

Post#507 » by Johnny Bball » Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:52 pm

SFour wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
Fairview4Life wrote:
It's based on money being bet, above everything.


And who bets money... the people talking about it with their hearts instead of their heads? Line has to start somewhere.


It's also based on rumours and media reports...odds will change accordingly.


Oh I agree. I just don't think they are that plugged in to start dissecting it in an hour or two.
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Re: OT: WOJ: Anthony Davis requests trade; no intention of resigning with Pelicans 

Post#508 » by SFour » Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:53 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:
SFour wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
And who bets money... the people talking about it with their hearts instead of their heads? Line has to start somewhere.


It's also based on rumours and media reports...odds will change accordingly.


Oh I agree. I just don't think they are that plugged in to start dissecting it in an hour or two.


It's only 1 betting site...if OddsShark also starts to give Toronto good odds then I'll start taking it more seriously.

Right now Raptors aren't even on their list

https://www.oddsshark.com/nba/anthony-davis-trade-odds
WHAT TEAM WILL ANTHONY DAVIS PLAY FOR IN THE 2019-20 NBA SEASON?
Odds as of January 28 at Bodog

LA Lakers -125
Boston Celtics +150
New Orleans Pelicans +600
New York Knicks +850
Philadelphia 76ers +850
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Re: OT: WOJ: Anthony Davis requests trade; no intention of resigning with Pelicans 

Post#509 » by G.A. Clone » Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:56 pm

Siakam will get a deal done. Remember that preseason game when AD showed up to play? It was a freakin’ preseason game and they treated it like a playoff game.

They know what Siakam is capable of ;)
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Re: OT: WOJ: Anthony Davis requests trade; no intention of resigning with Pelicans 

Post#510 » by mtcan » Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:57 pm

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mtcan wrote:
Red_Claw wrote:
Wrong.

Davis is under contract next season. If Clips get him this season, it will make the the decision to join them MUCH easier.

A bunch of expiring contracts for SGA, Harrell and a FRP that is guaranteed to suck if Davis goes to the Clippers is not the best deal available.


I agree, but if AD forces the pels to deal him to one of the 2 LA teams, its not a terrible deal. I also don't consider Harris "just and expiring contract"

If Harris says no to a rebuilding situation in New Orleans...he could leave because teams like NYK and Brooklyn will have cap room... in which case yes he could be a rental.
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Re: OT: WOJ: Anthony Davis requests trade; no intention of resigning with Pelicans 

Post#511 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:58 pm

SFour wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
SFour wrote:
It's also based on rumours and media reports...odds will change accordingly.


Oh I agree. I just don't think they are that plugged in to start dissecting it in an hour or two.


It's only 1 betting site...if OddsShark also starts to give Toronto good odds then I'll start taking it more seriously.

Right now Raptors aren't even on their list

https://www.oddsshark.com/nba/anthony-davis-trade-odds
WHAT TEAM WILL ANTHONY DAVIS PLAY FOR IN THE 2019-20 NBA SEASON?
Odds as of January 28 at Bodog

LA Lakers -125
Boston Celtics +150
New Orleans Pelicans +600
New York Knicks +850
Philadelphia 76ers +850


well if this is taking the consideration that AD plays till the end of the season NO, i don't see a move that will beat Boston's offering. PLUS the teams that have the #1 and #2 picks are in the running too.

Toronto's best bet is to make a move before the trade deadline. otherwise we aren't getting AD at all after that.
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Re: OT: WOJ: Anthony Davis requests trade; no intention of resigning with Pelicans 

Post#512 » by sidsid » Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:59 pm

brownbobcat wrote:
sidsid wrote:The game theory element should still lead the Pels to aggressively shop AD at the deadline.

Why would AD's camp leak that he wants to leave now if he preferred the Celtics as a destination?

His camp knows that the Celtics have the likely best offer this offseason so if he was fine with that outcome he would have played out this year in silence. So not only does he not prefer that destination, you can infer that he explicitly wants to avoid it as the Celtics are not a trading option now.

Of course, Ainge can make this same logical analysis; so why would the Celtics make a godfather offer draining their team of assets for a player who is already signalling he isn't that interested?

The Celtics have the option of not being in win-now mode and may even lose Kyrie this offseason. There is no guarantee that the they would make that big offer with the available Intel.

Meanwhile, AD is now an expiring contract instead of 2 years as he is now, and the win now teams are even less motivated (or some like us, will have missed our window).

A big gamble.

It's definitely intriguing - what is the ideal endgame for AD here?

1. Boston has the best assets, but AD can't go to Boston this year and just made an offseason trade there more difficult.
2. Many signs pointing to LA - but it will also be a tough for them in the playoffs this year with limited depth.
3. Outwardly, this looks like LA trying to force New Orleans' hand into accepting a lowball offer - but this could also leave the door open for a team like Toronto that has some assets and is willing to go all-in this year.


A potential motivation for AD is that he's open to playing pretty much anywhere this year to win, so he is forcing the Pels hand to make a trade to contend now.

He may still make another trade demand this offseason to go to the team he really wants to join, which could be the Celtics.

This is possible, but a less likely motivation. Players rarely want to he bounced around from team to team unless they're at the end of their careers ring-chasing. The Lakers are the likely target, even though he may be shipped somewhere else.
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Re: OT: WOJ: Anthony Davis requests trade; no intention of resigning with Pelicans 

Post#513 » by hankscorpioLA » Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:59 pm

Son Goku 25 wrote:No matter how many teams are involved. Masai obviously needs to go all in to get a generational talent like him. Anyone but Kawhi pretty much.


I don't see us having the kind of offer that would entice them to make a deal.

IMHO there is virtually no chance that they do a deal before the off-season because adding the Celtics into the mix automatically boosts the expected return.
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Re: OT: WOJ: Anthony Davis requests trade; no intention of resigning with Pelicans 

Post#514 » by Tanner » Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:00 pm

I’d trade Siakam and OG (plus more) for a year and a half of AD without hesitating. Then if Kawhi stays we go for another title run in 2019-20. If Kawhi leaves, then flip AD to the Lakers for whatever and start the rebuild.
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Re: OT: WOJ: Anthony Davis requests trade; no intention of resigning with Pelicans 

Post#515 » by Maximillion » Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:04 pm

hankscorpioLA wrote:
Son Goku 25 wrote:No matter how many teams are involved. Masai obviously needs to go all in to get a generational talent like him. Anyone but Kawhi pretty much.


I don't see us having the kind of offer that would entice them to make a deal.

IMHO there is virtually no chance that they do a deal before the off-season because adding the Celtics into the mix automatically boosts the expected return.


All Rich Paul has to do is tell the Pelicans that AD is not on his list of teams he considers to sign longterm with. That puts pressure on them to get what they can now (and Siakam is a great get) over whatever Ainge's penny pinching offer is in the summer. Raptors are one of the few teams fine with it being a rental.
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Re: OT: WOJ: Anthony Davis requests trade; no intention of resigning with Pelicans 

Post#516 » by MikeG » Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:06 pm

SFour wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
SFour wrote:
It's also based on rumours and media reports...odds will change accordingly.


Oh I agree. I just don't think they are that plugged in to start dissecting it in an hour or two.


It's only 1 betting site...if OddsShark also starts to give Toronto good odds then I'll start taking it more seriously.

Right now Raptors aren't even on their list

https://www.oddsshark.com/nba/anthony-davis-trade-odds
WHAT TEAM WILL ANTHONY DAVIS PLAY FOR IN THE 2019-20 NBA SEASON?
Odds as of January 28 at Bodog

LA Lakers -125
Boston Celtics +150
New Orleans Pelicans +600
New York Knicks +850
Philadelphia 76ers +850


We werent favourites in that other websites odds for "the 2019-2020 Season"... They had us +1200.

Where we were favourites were "What team will Anthony Davis be on on Feb 9th, 2019"

Which means the reports of a team trying to get Davis just for a run at the finals, and a trade in the offseason, was likely us.
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Re: OT: WOJ: Anthony Davis requests trade; no intention of resigning with Pelicans 

Post#517 » by sogood » Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:08 pm

Read on Twitter


Same dude who called Kawhi to the Raptors before WOJ.
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Re: OT: WOJ: Anthony Davis requests trade; no intention of resigning with Pelicans 

Post#518 » by brownbobcat » Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:11 pm

hankscorpioLA wrote:
Son Goku 25 wrote:No matter how many teams are involved. Masai obviously needs to go all in to get a generational talent like him. Anyone but Kawhi pretty much.


I don't see us having the kind of offer that would entice them to make a deal.

IMHO there is virtually no chance that they do a deal before the off-season because adding the Celtics into the mix automatically boosts the expected return.

This is a franchise-defining moment for them, similar to the Melo in Denver situation. I'd hold out for Boston no matter how awkward it gets and no matter how much it appears AD doesn't want to go there. But that's easier said than done and they have a terrible GM.
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Re: OT: WOJ: Anthony Davis requests trade; no intention of resigning with Pelicans 

Post#519 » by SFour » Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:13 pm

sogood wrote:
Read on Twitter


Same dude who called Kawhi to the Raptors before WOJ.


Why would the Pelicans comply with Rich Paul....he's the reason AD requested the trade, so why would they roll out the red carpet and trade AD to the team he desires to play for.
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Re: OT: WOJ: Anthony Davis requests trade; no intention of resigning with Pelicans 

Post#520 » by elecblue » Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:15 pm

sogood wrote:
Read on Twitter


Same dude who called Kawhi to the Raptors before WOJ.


I don't believe this one, because it's not even better than what Raptors can put on the table, not to mention Celtics' offer in the summer.

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