Nikola Jokić and best Bigmen passers of all time

[youngthegiant]

Davis
Embiid
Gobert
Porzingis (when healthy)

Edit: Boogie (when healthy)

That’s 5. You could argue Gobert and Porzingis. You couldn’t argue the other 3.

Gobert is not in Jokic tier buddy and he never will be.

Fine. There are 4 other names there.

Porzinigs is worse than Gobert. Boogie has been an empty stats guy his entire career. He's never been the Number 1 guy on a playoff team. Embiid, Jokic, Davis are by far the best bigs in the NBA.

[Jazztop]

Gobert is not in Jokic tier buddy and he never will be.

Fine. There are 4 other names there.

Porzinigs is worse than Gobert. Boogie has been an empty stats guy his entire career. He's never been the Number 1 guy on a playoff team. Embiid, Jokic, Davis are by far the best bigs in the NBA.

So you now conceding at least one center is better.

“Empty stats guy?” Lol how many times has Jokic lead his team to the playoffs?

[youngthegiant]

Fine. There are 4 other names there.

Porzinigs is worse than Gobert. Boogie has been an empty stats guy his entire career. He's never been the Number 1 guy on a playoff team. Embiid, Jokic, Davis are by far the best bigs in the NBA.

So you now conceding at least one center is better.

“Empty stats guy?” Lol how many times has Jokic lead his team to the playoffs?

If you think Jokic is an empty stats guy then this conversation is over. Rudy Gobert could never carry a team in his life. Donovan Mitchell had to do it for him.

[Jazztop]

Porzinigs is worse than Gobert. Boogie has been an empty stats guy his entire career. He's never been the Number 1 guy on a playoff team. Embiid, Jokic, Davis are by far the best bigs in the NBA.

So you now conceding at least one center is better.

“Empty stats guy?” Lol how many times has Jokic lead his team to the playoffs?

If you think Jokic is an empty stats guy then this conversation is over. Rudy Gobert could never carry a team in his life. Donovan Mitchell had to do it for him.

I wasn’t the one who accused anyone of empty stats. That was you. I simply quoted you.

[kinggnik87]

As of this moment, Nikola is definitely top 2 passers of all time in terms of talent and the amazing passes he displayed these past 3 seasons.

It is only a matter of time before he is unanimously number one. Maybe in two more years.

[psimanic1]

Fine. There are 4 other names there.

Porzinigs is worse than Gobert. Boogie has been an empty stats guy his entire career. He's never been the Number 1 guy on a playoff team. Embiid, Jokic, Davis are by far the best bigs in the NBA.

So you now conceding at least one center is better.

“Empty stats guy?” Lol how many times has Jokic lead his team to the playoffs?

No-one here said that Jokic is best C, everyone is arguing if he is best in PASSING THE BALL for that position, and then you come here and say there are atleast 4 Cs better(and there are not), and then attack someone with "So you now conceding at least one center is better"...No, neither Embiid, nor Davis, and especially not your darling Gobert are better than Jokic in passing...And no, there are no 4 Cs better than him...If you say there are ATLEAST 4 better, then don't come here saying "you can argue this one, you can argue that one...."...

[Richard Miller]

Fine. There are 4 other names there.

Porzinigs is worse than Gobert. Boogie has been an empty stats guy his entire career. He's never been the Number 1 guy on a playoff team. Embiid, Jokic, Davis are by far the best bigs in the NBA.

So you now conceding at least one center is better.

“Empty stats guy?” Lol how many times has Jokic lead his team to the playoffs?

He's leading them as we speak. Iirc, Nuggets already have more wins right now than Cousins's Kings in any of his seasons.

[TheBonzaiEffect]

Davis
Embiid
Gobert
Porzingis (when healthy)

Edit: Boogie (when healthy)

That’s 5. You could argue Gobert and Porzingis. You couldn’t argue the other 3.

Gobert is not in Jokic tier buddy and he never will be.

Fine. There are 4 other names there.

Porzingis? Lol. Even healthy, KP has never come remotely close to Jokic's level. This year, Jokic has a 10.2 BPM. KP's career best BPM is .2. I mean...c'mon, dude. In 186 games, KP has a 2.8 VORP. In 47 games this year, Jokic has a 4.5 VORP. This is not even an argument.

Cousins? Gaudy box stats. But he's never been near Jokic's level of effectiveness. Career high 6.6 BPM (to Jokic's 10.2).

[_Joker]

If there are AT LEAST 4, then let's hear the 4 you're thinking of. Hell, name even one.

Davis
Embiid
Gobert
Porzingis (when healthy)

Edit: Boogie (when healthy)

That’s 5. You could argue Gobert and Porzingis. You couldn’t argue the other 3.

Lulz. Is this the same Gobert that Joker feasted on last week?

You're right though, you could argue that Gobert is better. But you'd be the only one doing it.

[mcmurphy]

Fine. There are 4 other names there.

Porzinigs is worse than Gobert. Boogie has been an empty stats guy his entire career. He's never been the Number 1 guy on a playoff team. Embiid, Jokic, Davis are by far the best bigs in the NBA.

So you now conceding at least one center is better.

“Empty stats guy?” Lol how many times has Jokic lead his team to the playoffs?

dude,

2014-15 Nuggets record 30-52
2015-16 Nuggets record 33-49 (first Jokic season, 22mpg, PER= 21.5 -- players with most minutes, Harris/Barton/Mudiay)
2016-17 Nuggets record 40-42 (second Jokic season, 28mpg, PER= 26.3 -- players with most minutes, Chandler/Gallo/Nelson)
2017-18 Nuggets record 46-36 (third Jokic season, 32mpg, PER= 24.4) -- players with most minutes, Barton/Murray/Chandler)
2018-18 Nuggets record 56-26 (proj.) (fourth Jokic season, 31mpg, PER= 27.4 -- players with most minutes, Murray/Morris/Hernan)

Do we really want to compare Jokic with Cousins?

[Jazztop]

Porzinigs is worse than Gobert. Boogie has been an empty stats guy his entire career. He's never been the Number 1 guy on a playoff team. Embiid, Jokic, Davis are by far the best bigs in the NBA.

So you now conceding at least one center is better.

“Empty stats guy?” Lol how many times has Jokic lead his team to the playoffs?

dude,

2014-15 Nuggets record 30-52
2015-16 Nuggets record 33-49 (first Jokic season, 22mpg, PER= 21.5 -- players with most minutes, Harris/Barton/Mudiay)
2016-17 Nuggets record 40-42 (second Jokic season, 28mpg, PER= 26.3 -- players with most minutes, Chandler/Gallo/Nelson)
2017-18 Nuggets record 46-36 (third Jokic season, 32mpg, PER= 24.4) -- players with most minutes, Barton/Murray/Chandler)
2018-18 Nuggets record 56-26 (proj.) (fourth Jokic season, 31mpg, PER= 27.4 -- players with most minutes, Murray/Morris/Hernan)

Do we really want to compare Jokic with Cousins?

Cousins is better. The eye tells us so. The long term numbers tell us so. Are you seriously arguing that a flabby Euro in his 4th season is better than a guy that has often been considered the best big man in the game for nearly a decade and was only pulled back by a very sorry Kings supporting cast?

[Yuri Vaultin]

Cousins is better. The eye tells us so.

[Bergmaniac]

Do we really want to compare Jokic with Cousins?

Cousins is better. The eye tells us so. The long term numbers tell us so. Are you seriously arguing that a flabby Euro in his 4th season is better than a guy that has often been considered the best big man in the game for nearly a decade?[/quote]
Who exactly has considered Cousins the best big man in the game for nearly a decade? Until 2014 he had no case against Dwight. Then Anthony Davis entered his prime and clearly overtook him in the best big man rankings. And then there are Embiid, Blake Griffin, Marc Gasol, Gobert, KAT, etc.

[Mickey8]

When did Cousins led his team to the regular season record that Denver is having right now ??? Cousins is good at putting monster numbers but he can't lead the team by himself to any kind of success. Since Denver acquired Jokic , that team kept improving season after season without having any stars on its roster. Jokic makes his teammates better players.

[Primetime23]

He might the best passing big that I've ever seen (Wacthing since early 90's) - Vlade and Cwebb on the early 2000's Kings teams are the only comparable guys. Sabonis was a shell of his former self by the time he got on the Blazers unfortunately - Jokic > NBA Sabonis.

[Primetime23]

When did Cousins led his team to the regular season record that Denver is having right now ??? Cousins is good at putting monster numbers but he can't lead the team by himself to any kind of success. Since Denver acquired Jokic , that team kept improving season after season without having any stars on its roster. Jokic makes his teammates better players.

Jokics effect on winning is definitely bigger than Boogie's effect on winning, to argue otherwise is silly IMO.

[_Joker]

Personally I don't have an issue with claiming that pre-injury Cousins was better, as he was great. Who knows how he will recover from such a serious injury though.

But aside from that, this jazztop plonker is having a laugh.

[Mickey8]

If there are AT LEAST 4, then let's hear the 4 you're thinking of. Hell, name even one.

Davis
Embiid
Gobert
Porzingis (when healthy)

Edit: Boogie (when healthy)

That’s 5. You could argue Gobert and Porzingis. You couldn’t argue the other 3.

So who are the better passer than him on that list ??? Jokic is rivaling the best pg's in the quality of the passes he throws. Davis , and Porzingis are not centers. Porzingis as I am concerned is over glorified player , the guy was never even close to the play off's in the horrible eastern conference, his rebounding is below average , shooting percentages for 7'3 guy average. I explained about Cousins in other post . Try to build the team around Gobert as your number one offensive option, good luck with that. You can only debate Embiid as being better, Embiid is making difference by winning games just as Jokic.

[Mickey8]

When did Cousins led his team to the regular season record that Denver is having right now ??? Cousins is good at putting monster numbers but he can't lead the team by himself to any kind of success. Since Denver acquired Jokic , that team kept improving season after season without having any stars on its roster. Jokic makes his teammates better players.

Jokics effect on winning is definitely bigger than Boogie's effect on winning, to argue otherwise is silly IMO.

Silly??? Jokic is 2.5 assists shy of averaging triple double for the season. He could easily average 25 or more points per game if he wasn't unselfish player , right now its required for him to do that due to many injuries Denver have, in January he's averaging 25,12,8 . There were many webistes like ringer or bleacher report who were compering numbers when Jokic and Cousins were the same age, and they were taking Jokic over him. Winning is important and you can't have any success with Cousins as your best player, it was proven season after season, even the last season when he went down, team played better without him, his stats are empty.

[Mickey8]

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Just horrible defensive read from Pau. You coulda see that pass coming a mile away.

He’s a good passer but overall I’d say he’s overrated. There are at least 4 better centers.

Then find the center who can throw pass like that , one against Marc Gasol is even better.

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