Anthony Davis Requests Trade from NO

[djFan71]

Tatum, Smart, Williams, Memphis pick, another 1st rounder.

Don’t make it complicated. That’s all that needs to happen here.

Agreed that's easier, lol. The other 1st would need to be SAC, or best case LAC pick. If LAC falls or it's BOS, Yabu is required for salary as well. Which, somehow, I'm ok with.

Math I did, Tatum, Smart, Williams were enough.

I got: Tatum (7.83), Smart (12.05357), Williams (2.03244): 21.91601
AD is at 27.093019. Subtract 100k / 1.25 => 21.5944152 needed.

Which would work. But, I added the trade kicker in: $4.1M. Which gets you to $31.19302 => 24.87442 needed.

Then those 3 are short. I'm assuming the trade kicker still applies in the summer, but I'm not positive.

[sully00]

Tatum, Smart, Williams, Memphis pick, another 1st rounder.

Don’t make it complicated. That’s all that needs to happen here.

I don't think Ainge will go for that and I am not so sure that NO is going to want Marcus Smart or value him the way Boston does. I think Rozier makes more sense for both teams and NO is going to want that SAC pick.

We will see how it plays out there is no way to know how NO values pieces but I think you will see something that looks like
Rozier - signed to an extension
Brown
Salary fodder like Yabu
SAC, MEM, LAC, BOS 1sts
I think what may happen is that the deal is delayed until the picks can be signed and used as salary. You can use Williams instead of a draft pick or whatever that isn't important.

Boston keeps Tatum and Smart to go with Irving, Hayward, Davis, and Horford (though sadly I think Ainge might walk away from Horford at this point just because of the dollars).

This is the package I'm thinking gets it done...except Horford has a 30m player option for next season. I doubt he would pick it up he was dealt to the Pelicans so maybe Ainge includes him in the deal for cap relief. Then if he wants to come back to Boston for a ring he could do it on a team friendly smaller deal.

New Orleans is going to be super financially conscious. Honestly I think they will want to unload salary in the deal not take on any extra. They have to take back 22 mil against Davis 27 mil and have 8 guys under contract for next season including Holliday and Davis I think that a 6 for 1 with 5 of them at rookie salary will be music to their ears.

This is a franchise that has traded away all 6 of its first round picks since selecting Davis in 2013. Not to put too fine a point on it they have nothing to show for the 6 before that until you get back to CP3 in 2005. The really funny part could be most teams would want to pick the guys at those draft slots and they may be happier if Ainge does the picking for them.

[djFan71]

Agreed that's easier, lol. The other 1st would need to be SAC, or best case LAC pick. If LAC falls or it's BOS, Yabu is required for salary as well. Which, somehow, I'm ok with.

Math I did, Tatum, Smart, Williams were enough.

I got: Tatum (7.83), Smart (12.05357), Williams (2.03244): 21.91601
AD is at 27.093019. Subtract 100k / 1.25 => 21.5944152 needed.

Which would work. But, I added the trade kicker in: $4.1M. Which gets you to $31.19302 => 24.87442 needed.

Then those 3 are short. I'm assuming the trade kicker still applies in the summer, but I'm not positive.

They have to take back 22 mil against Davis 27 mil

Does the kicker count against salary coming back, or just something NOP has to pay? I'm unsure after reading this:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2812061-anthony-davis-trade-kicker-gives-la-lakers-leverage

One wrinkle in any Davis deal is the 15 percent trade bonus in his contract. The Pelicans would be responsible for an extra $4.1 million payment to Davis if he's dealt in July.
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That's assuming Davis doesn't want to join the Celtics. He might. And Boston can send up to approximately $5.6 million in cash to offset any issue the Pelicans might have. New Orleans can net roughly $1.5 million from a Boston deal with the kicker paid, but the Lakers can send $5.6 million with Davis waiving the bonus, yielding an extra $4.1 million to the Pelicans.

Sounds like we'd have to pay it, but not necessarily match it in salary? In that case, Cave's trade works great as is.

[Andrew McCeltic]

This feels just spiteful to the Lakers to me. I'm not sure Kyrie and Davis is enough win it all. Is Kyrie really much better than Jrue. Maybe Brad Stevens makes all the difference.

Umm...yeah he is and it's not really close lol

I really havent seen anything that makes me think Kyrie and Davis are winning rings, but if you and AD believe that I'd love to take Tatum, picks, AND Brown off your hands. Dream come true.

Jrue is a nice, underrated player, a great defender, but... Kyrie's offensive impact is head and shoulders above Jrue's. He can get wherever he wants on the court, whenever he wants.

[K For Three]

I don't think Ainge will go for that and I am not so sure that NO is going to want Marcus Smart or value him the way Boston does. I think Rozier makes more sense for both teams and NO is going to want that SAC pick.

We will see how it plays out there is no way to know how NO values pieces but I think you will see something that looks like
Rozier - signed to an extension
Brown
Salary fodder like Yabu
SAC, MEM, LAC, BOS 1sts
I think what may happen is that the deal is delayed until the picks can be signed and used as salary. You can use Williams instead of a draft pick or whatever that isn't important.

Boston keeps Tatum and Smart to go with Irving, Hayward, Davis, and Horford (though sadly I think Ainge might walk away from Horford at this point just because of the dollars).

I think we may be suprised at how high Smart's value is, especially after this season when he is proving he can shoot too.
I talk to a Pacers fan from time to time who told me last summer that a lot of Pacers fans really REALLY were hoping to nab Smart in FA. A ton of them still would even take Hayward despite his struggles since he is so popular in Indy.

Smart has value to a contending team not a team in search of a lead guard. Part of what has made Marcus more successful shooting the ball is not shooting the ball. He is at a career low in usage being paired with an offensive genius in Irving is what is making it work. It didn't help his shooting but it is like Eric Snow and Allen Iverson.

If you have the 25 ppg lead guard then yes you want Marcus Smart. But if your going the rebuild route then the guy putting up 15/5/5 on 40% from 3 as a starter is the guy I think I want to talk to you about.

I would actually agree, for the Pacers....Smart would have been an excellent fit. I am doubting too at times NO will want him.

The only one who would stun me in a trade would be Al Horford. That would hurt a lot. Dude deserves a ring. Kyrie then Al and then Smart are my 3 fave Celtics but I am prepared for something to shake up.

edit: I think NO will want mostly Tatum/Brown and more picks then C's fans realize if it's a real rebuild which it will be.

[Andrew McCeltic]

If Hayward returns to health, Gordon/Tatum/MEM/SAC picks is an incredibly high price.. if he were Chandler Parsons level hurt (does anyone think that?), it's closer to fair - but I'd take the SAC 1st or the MEM 1st out of it, depending on where they land in this year's draft.

Most people around here are convinced that he's done. I'm giving him until the beginning of next season. If he still looks cooked then, he probably doesn't have much a future in this league. He still looks a little out of shape and slow to me. A full healthy off-season should do him a lot of good.

His lift is better now than it was at the start of the season -he does look fatigued, but that's conditioning - he hasn't played a full season since Utah. He does look demoralized, and unsure where he fits in the offense. People always talk about players coming into the league and struggling when they're not 'the man' - but it's really only Hayward's rookie year where he didn't get major minutes. He's coming off the bench and watching the offense, and his body isn't doing what he needs it to. It has to be psychologically difficult, especially with expectations so high for him and the team.

[sully00]

Agreed that's easier, lol. The other 1st would need to be SAC, or best case LAC pick. If LAC falls or it's BOS, Yabu is required for salary as well. Which, somehow, I'm ok with.

Math I did, Tatum, Smart, Williams were enough.

I got: Tatum (7.83), Smart (12.05357), Williams (2.03244): 21.91601
AD is at 27.093019. Subtract 100k / 1.25 => 21.5944152 needed.

Which would work. But, I added the trade kicker in: $4.1M. Which gets you to $31.19302 => 24.87442 needed.

Then those 3 are short. I'm assuming the trade kicker still applies in the summer, but I'm not positive.

Forgot about the trade kicker that is going to be a bitch. As I understand it the Pelicans have to pay it and the team getting Davis has to account for it. So for NO to trade Davis as the deadline will cost them an additional 4 mil bucks on the kicker. But the harder part is that he will have an 8 mil bonus due if he is dealt in the off season that I think all has to be accounted for in his 19-20 salary. That might just be for ETO's and not Options. Davis can give some or all of that up to facilitate a trade but that is also his pathway to a recouping some of the cash he is giving on the super max (and not making the 30% critieria).

[K For Three]

Regardless of what is thrown around him, I see no deal getting done without Tatum as the centerpiece and many will agree on this. And yes DA will trade Tatum.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Re: Hayward, Paul George was not good in his return from ACL surgery in April 2015- 36 percent shooting, 8.8 points in 15 minutes a game over a two-week stretch. 7 months later, after an off-season of rest/training, he averaged 29 points in November 2015 on .475 shooting, .490 from 3.

Hayward hasn't had an off-season, and he's in month 4.. I've seen Cousins play, too, and he's definitely less explosive and less vertical - it just doesn't matter as much because he's gigantic and there are only a handful of bigs in the league who won't just get out of his way.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Regardless of what is thrown around him, I see no deal getting done without Tatum as the centerpiece and many will agree on this. And yes DA will trade Tatum.

Depends hugely on what happens with the draft lottery, and with the Grizzlies' roster. The Kings could sneak into the playoffs, drop to the 10th pick, or jump in the lottery again to the second or third pick. And Memphis, who could offer us their pick this year to get out of the obligation, could hit on another possible star in the low lottery who makes their future pick less valuable, they could luck into good trades for Gasol and Conley, or settle for bad ones, or do nothing.

[djFan71]

Math I did, Tatum, Smart, Williams were enough.

I got: Tatum (7.83), Smart (12.05357), Williams (2.03244): 21.91601
AD is at 27.093019. Subtract 100k / 1.25 => 21.5944152 needed.

Which would work. But, I added the trade kicker in: $4.1M. Which gets you to $31.19302 => 24.87442 needed.

Then those 3 are short. I'm assuming the trade kicker still applies in the summer, but I'm not positive.

Forgot about the trade kicker that is going to be a bitch. As I understand it the Pelicans have to pay it and the team getting Davis has to account for it. So for NO to trade Davis as the deadline will cost them an additional 4 mil bucks on the kicker. But the harder part is that he will have an 8 mil bonus due if he is dealt in the off season that I think all has to be accounted for in his 19-20 salary. That might just be for ETO's and not Options. Davis can give some or all of that up to facilitate a trade but that is also his pathway to a recouping some of the cash he is giving on the super max (and not making the 30% critieria).

Reading more, I think the trade kicker is added to his salary, so the $4.1M would be part of what we need to match. I did round to get $4.1, so if you do the exact math on 115% of his salary and subtract 100k and divide by 1.25, I get:

$24.84558M

as the magic number to match. Unless he waives it, which seems unlikely.

I didn't see anything about the $8M bonus, but I could have missed that. They list the 15% trade kicker here, but no other bonuses:
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-orleans-pelicans/anthony-davis-10809/



ETA: Just adding Yabu to Tatum, Smart & Williams I get $25.03325M, so we'd be good. Those 4, MEM and another first.

[ViperGTS]

Regardless of what is thrown around him, I see no deal getting done without Tatum as the centerpiece and many will agree on this. And yes DA will trade Tatum.

Then I pray no deal does get done. At least not for what is being thrown around here. If the BKN deal and the wheeling and dealing turned into KI and AD? Not the long term vision that was envisioned before that.

People want the quick fix. Always have, always will. They will throw away everything for that fix. Seen it here with PG13. Butler. Now its AD as I stated long ago it would be. Is he great short term? And yes short term because a big with his mileage post 30 is always sketchy. So, if traded in the summer he will be 26. That’s 4 years. The smarter play is to keep Tatum and hold fast on that.

Can AD stay on the court consistently past 30? Maybe, but that’s a big risk.

[K For Three]

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[LuckyLeprechaun]

Regardless of what is thrown around him, I see no deal getting done without Tatum as the centerpiece and many will agree on this. And yes DA will trade Tatum.

Then I pray no deal does get done. At least not for what is being thrown around here. If the BKN deal and the wheeling and dealing turned into KI and AD? Not the long term vision that was envisioned before that.

People want the quick fix. Always have, always will. They will throw away everything for that fix. Seen it here with PG13. Butler. Now its AD as I stated long ago it would be. Is he great short term? And yes short term because a big with his mileage post 30 is always sketchy. So, if traded in the summer he will be 26. That’s 4 years. The smarter play is to keep Tatum and hold fast on that.

Can AD stay on the court consistently past 30? Maybe, but that’s a big risk.

It's not so much about quick fixes as it is the fact that winning in the NBA today requires legit superstars. Every fan likes to think that their promising young players will be superstars in 2-3 years but the reality is that that is the exception, not the rule. Normally, those guys end up a tier or 2 below whatever they are being projected to.

[Captain_Caveman]

I don’t see Rozier involved in an offer at all. Why is he agreeing to go to New Orleans unless he is being vastly overpaid? And why does New Orleans want that? Terry is going to want to see what his options are, and he is not a Day One free agent.

We are going to want to have an AD trade wrapped up in principle around draft night. That way, they can draft the guys they want with any picks we give them, and we enter free agency with AD already in tow. That lets us concentrate on resigning Kyrie, Horford, Morris, Baynes, and maybe Terry too. Way too much risk letting those guys hit the market with no AD in place.

[Andrew McCeltic]

We'd obviously be in better shape if Hayward were playing like his old self, Horford were two years younger, and Sacramento were at the bottom of the standings.

That said, say the deal ends up being Horford, Tatum and the SAC pick - we'd still have Kyrie, Hayward, Smart, Jaylen Brown, Rob Williams, Theis, Yabusele, Ojeleye, two more rookies, a future lotto pick, and probably Morris and Baynes back for another run. Plenty of depth, versatility, and flexibility. Plus our MLE.

Kyrie is the same age as Davis - you put them together with a strong supporting cast and we're the best team in the east for the next four to seven years. It's not a 'quick fix', it's a home run. Sticking with Tatum? Look how long it took Giannis to reach MVP level. Look at the 2015 draft - DAR and Mudiay are only starting to live up to their hype in the second half of their fourth seasons. Myles Turner isn't there yet in his fourth season, he's 22. Porzingis, if he comes back healthy, still has a lot to round off in his game. So best case is that Tatum is playing at an all-star starter level in 2021. In the 2021 playoffs, Kyrie is 29, Hayward is 31, Horford is 34..

[Andrew McCeltic]

I don’t see Rozier involved in an offer at all. Why is he agreeing to go to New Orleans unless he is being vastly overpaid? And why does New Orleans want that? Terry is going to want to see what his options are, and he is not a Day One free agent.

We are going to want to have an AD trade wrapped up in principle around draft night. That way, they can draft the guys they want with any picks we give them, and we enter free agency with AD already in tow. That lets us concentrate on resigning Kyrie, Horford, Morris, Baynes, and maybe Terry too. Way too much risk letting those guys hit the market with no AD in place.

The only other thing I can imagine is that we load up now with someone like Bradley Beal or Drummond, or role-players on great deals like TJ Warren. There are ways to strike now, raise the roster's talent level, and leave us in either an equivalent or better position to trade for Davis.

[Floody100]

I can’t get the screenshot up on here but a rockets fan put this kind of 3 way trade up on a YouTube video. I’m that speechless.

“ Boston get House, Gary Clark, Hartenstein, one first round pick from Rockets & Jrue Holiday.
Pelicans get 2 or 3 first round picks from Houston, CP3, Capella & Tucker.
Rockets get AD, Mirotic, Kyrie & possibly Hayward”

Words can’t describe how ridiculously stupid this person is

[Andrew McCeltic]

I don’t see Rozier involved in an offer at all. Why is he agreeing to go to New Orleans unless he is being vastly overpaid? And why does New Orleans want that? Terry is going to want to see what his options are, and he is not a Day One free agent.

We are going to want to have an AD trade wrapped up in principle around draft night. That way, they can draft the guys they want with any picks we give them, and we enter free agency with AD already in tow. That lets us concentrate on resigning Kyrie, Horford, Morris, Baynes, and maybe Terry too. Way too much risk letting those guys hit the market with no AD in place.

Don’t know if Danny has talked to his agent.. Don’t know why we haven’t traded him to Orlando or Phoenix already.. But there are a couple of wrinkles: 1. Terry’s best market might be for a 1-year deal at a higher salary than he’d get otherwise, like KCP; 2. Starting in New Orleans, maybe with Holiday next to him, maybe with Tatum at the 3 or 4, maybe with a signed free agent forward, maybe with Okafor at the 5.. that wouldn’t be the worst place to play for his next contract. The teams with cap space to sign him outright may not be interested - depends on lotto results, too - if Phoenix or Orlando gets Ja Morant, why pay Rozier enough to make sure we don’t match?

[Andrew McCeltic]

I can’t get the screenshot up on here but a rockets fan put this kind of 3 way trade up on a YouTube video. I’m that speechless.

“ Boston get House, Gary Clark, Hartenstein, one first round pick from Rockets & Jrue Holiday.
Pelicans get 2 or 3 first round picks from Houston, CP3, Capella & Tucker.
Rockets get AD, Mirotic, Kyrie & possibly Hayward”

Words can’t describe how ridiculously stupid this person is

That explains the planted rumors about Kyrie leaving - hope they pick up enough steam to generate lol discussions like this.

I think Holiday could end up going to Houston for, what, Eric Gordon, Brandon Knight, Marquesse Chriss and a couple of 1sts?