Anthony Davis Requests Trade from NO

[BillessuR6]

NO might want to include Solomon Hill in the deal...he is dead weight...

[Parliament10]

We'd obviously be in better shape if Hayward were playing like his old self, Horford were two years younger, and Sacramento were at the bottom of the standings.

That said, say the deal ends up being Horford, Tatum and the SAC pick - we'd still have Kyrie, Hayward, Smart, Jaylen Brown, Rob Williams, Theis, Yabusele, Ojeleye, two more rookies, a future lotto pick, and probably Morris and Baynes back for another run. Plenty of depth, versatility, and flexibility. Plus our MLE.

Kyrie is the same age as Davis - you put them together with a strong supporting cast and we're the best team in the east for the next four to seven years. It's not a 'quick fix', it's a home run. Sticking with Tatum? Look how long it took Giannis to reach MVP level. Look at the 2015 draft - DAR and Mudiay are only starting to live up to their hype in the second half of their fourth seasons. Myles Turner isn't there yet in his fourth season, he's 22. Porzingis, if he comes back healthy, still has a lot to round off in his game. So best case is that Tatum is playing at an all-star starter level in 2021. In the 2021 playoffs, Kyrie is 29, Hayward is 31, Horford is 34..

Too bad they don't want Hayward. He's a shell of himself.
Hayward and Brown, would do it. Plus a buttload of picks.

[Floody100]

I think a lot of people haven’t realised something regarding whether AD would stay with longer than a year.
Let me point out that we all know Kyrie & AD are really good mates. So let’s say Kyrie signs a 5 year max, they get AD in the trade & they win a championship or get very close next year. Does anyone actually think AD would then have the guts to tell Kyrie he’s going ? I think people don’t realise that we’re looking more likely to keep AD long term over the Lakers.

[SmartWentCrazy]

They'd be in double max range for KD/Kyrie if they can pare down to AD and Knox.

Fortunately they would not:

Knox: 4.4
Noah: 6.4
AD: 27.1
KD: 38.2
8 cap holds: 8M

Total: 84.1M
Cap: 109M

Remaining space: 25.1M
Kyrie’s max: 32.7M

So lose Knox, too.

Still leaves them short by ~3M

[aim2please]

Tatum, Smart, Williams, Memphis pick, another 1st rounder.

Don’t make it complicated. That’s all that needs to happen here.

Months ago, when someone asked would you trade Tatum and Brown for AD, I said 'yes and it's not even a debate'. I guess I'm the only one who rates Memphis' pick higher than Brown. I would trade Brown and keep Smart and the pick. If you add Yabu you're only $2m short to make the trade legal. And for casuals/NO owners, Brown and Tatum sounds sexy as hell. So easy to sell.

Smart is Celtics way, Brown is not. Remember, if Brown doesn't get an extension this summer/fall, he's gonna be playing for a contract next year. Last thing you need when you're trying to win a tittle. Jaylen is not a bad kid or anything but he's a sensitive emo who doesn't accept who he is. An elite role player. Not a star. Not even close. Never will be.

I don't think I can stomach losing Smart and watching Jaylen shot it every time he catches it while AD and Kyrie are on the court watching. Imagine paying him $20m a year. Let him be New Orleans' Wiggins.

[Fencer reregistered]

Still trying to get clarification from some CBA expert if you can combine a sign and trade with other players.

Everyone says no but I haven’t seen anything official. Maybe a good question for Smitty.

I am not an expert but you can read this

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

I don’t see it in there.

If the rule existed, it would be in there. Since it isn't in there, it doesn't, and you're just imagining that it does.

[Fencer reregistered]

Tatum, Smart, Williams, Memphis pick, another 1st rounder.

Don’t make it complicated. That’s all that needs to happen here.

I don't think Ainge will go for that and I am not so sure that NO is going to want Marcus Smart or value him the way Boston does. I think Rozier makes more sense for both teams and NO is going to want that SAC pick.

We will see how it plays out there is no way to know how NO values pieces but I think you will see something that looks like
Rozier - signed to an extension
Brown
Salary fodder like Yabu
SAC, MEM, LAC, BOS 1sts
I think what may happen is that the deal is delayed until the picks can be signed and used as salary. You can use Williams instead of a draft pick or whatever that isn't important.

Boston keeps Tatum and Smart to go with Irving, Hayward, Davis, and Horford (though sadly I think Ainge might walk away from Horford at this point just because of the dollars).

This is the package I'm thinking gets it done...except Horford has a 30m player option for next season. I doubt he would pick it up he was dealt to the Pelicans so maybe Ainge includes him in the deal for cap relief. Then if he wants to come back to Boston for a ring he could do it on a team friendly smaller deal.

He has to stay away for a year, I think. That's due to the Gary Payton rule, which was created in honor of Danny Ainge's previously maneuverings. (I know there's such a rule; I think without being sure that there aren't any loopholes.)

[Fencer reregistered]

Read on Twitter

I saw this earlier. When did AD turn into Jordan? Or 25 year old Lebron?

You do this trade 100 times out of 100.

Would be a top 3-4 Celtic ever from the word go.

So you're putting AD over at least one and possibly both of Havlicek and Pierce? (As well as Cousy, Cowens, KG, McHale, Parish ...)

Not crazy, actually.

[Fencer reregistered]

Please show me his words saying he is leaving

And let me know where he’s going, too. The Lakers arent going to punt a second LeBron season with roll-over cap space and AD isnt leaving a title contender to play with a 36 year old LeBron.

Well isnt it obvious hes coming here or the lakers and that hes made it clear that the lakers are his preferred destination? If he goes to lakers the goal should be to make them give up everything. Not for us to give in and do the same

It's pretty clear that the Lakers are his agent's preferred destination, but that's of course not the same thing.

[Fencer reregistered]

NO might want to include Solomon Hill in the deal...he is dead weight...

Yep. And there's near-perfect salary balance between Davis + Hill and Hayward + Tatum.

[Homerclease]

I saw this earlier. When did AD turn into Jordan? Or 25 year old Lebron?

You do this trade 100 times out of 100.

Would be a top 3-4 Celtic ever from the word go.

So you're putting AD over at least one and possibly both of Havlicek and Pierce? (As well as Cousy, Cowens, KG, McHale, Parish ...)

Not crazy, actually.

In terms of raw talent, yes seeing as we got KG on the back 9. Like Kyrie, we would be getting a still improving AD

[BillTheGOAT]

2019-20 Boston cap numbers

Smart- $12,053,471
Tatum- $7,830,000
Williams- $1,937,520

Total= $21,820,991
+25% more incoming salary
= $27,276,239

Anthony Davis 2019-20 salary

$27,093,019
+15% trade kicker
= $31,156,972

We're short ~3,9 million

SAC pick if it stays at 13 rookie scale is roughly 3 million +20% = 3,6 million, still 200 k shy of that number. Obviously giving them the Clippers pick lets us meet that number but that is a gross overpay.

Looking at what Kawhi was traded for, Kyrie Irving, Paul George etc. These stars never get real value in return so why should we overpay by giving them Tatum? Are they going to threaten us and take the Lakers' package?

[FlatearthZorro]

NO might want to include Solomon Hill in the deal...he is dead weight...

That's correct, imo they will try to do that for sure. And probably will succeed.

[Homerclease]

2019-20 Boston cap numbers

Smart- $12,053,471
Tatum- $7,830,000
Williams- $1,937,520

Total= $21,820,991
+25% more incoming salary
= $27,276,239

Anthony Davis 2019-20 salary

$27,093,019
+15% trade kicker
= $31,156,972

We're short ~3,9 million

SAC pick if it stays at 13 rookie scale is roughly 3 million +20% = 3,6 million, still 200 k shy of that number. Obviously giving them the Clippers pick lets us meet that number but that is a gross overpay.

Looking at what Kawhi was traded for, Kyrie Irving, Paul George etc. These stars never get real value in return so why should we overpay by giving them Tatum? Are they going to threaten us and take the Lakers' package?

There’s a reason why they picked up Yabus deal

[Saint Lazarus]

Tatum, Smart, Williams, Memphis pick, another 1st rounder.

Don’t make it complicated. That’s all that needs to happen here.

Months ago, when someone asked would you trade Tatum and Brown for AD, I said 'yes and it's not even a debate'. I guess I'm the only one who rates Memphis' pick higher than Brown. I would trade Brown and keep Smart and the pick. If you add Yabu you're only $2m short to make the trade legal. And for casuals/NO owners, Brown and Tatum sounds sexy as hell. So easy to sell.

Smart is Celtics way, Brown is not. Remember, if Brown doesn't get an extension this summer/fall, he's gonna be playing for a contract next year. Last thing you need when you're trying to win a tittle. Jaylen is not a bad kid or anything but he's a sensitive emo who doesn't accept who he is. An elite role player. Not a star. Not even close. Never will be.

I don't think I can stomach losing Smart and watching Jaylen shot it every time he catches it while AD and Kyrie are on the court watching. Imagine paying him $20m a year. Let him be New Orleans' Wiggins.

You're about 2 months late to the Jaylen hate wagon lmfao

[Green89]

You do this trade 100 times out of 100.

Would be a top 3-4 Celtic ever from the word go.

So you're putting AD over at least one and possibly both of Havlicek and Pierce? (As well as Cousy, Cowens, KG, McHale, Parish ...)

Not crazy, actually.

In terms of raw talent, yes seeing as we got KG on the back 9. Like Kyrie, we would be getting a still improving AD

KG was an ironman who rarely missed games in his Minnesota career. AD has had an injury every single season he's played. We throw everything we can at him and his injuries pop up in the playoffs, we're screwed. I believe Danny will make an offseason move that does not initially include Tatum. If NO doesn't take anyone's offer this deadline, Ainge will then have leverage to try and get a deal done first without Tatum, and only put him in a deal if he has to. Still risky, considering AD's injury tendencies.

[Homerclease]

So you're putting AD over at least one and possibly both of Havlicek and Pierce? (As well as Cousy, Cowens, KG, McHale, Parish ...)

Not crazy, actually.

In terms of raw talent, yes seeing as we got KG on the back 9. Like Kyrie, we would be getting a still improving AD

KG was an ironman who rarely missed games in his Minnesota career. AD has had an injury every single season he's played. We throw everything we can at him and his injuries pop up in the playoffs, we're screwed. I believe Danny will make an offseason move that does not initially include Tatum. If NO doesn't take anyone's offer this deadline, Ainge will then have leverage to try and get a deal done first without Tatum, and only put him in a deal if he has to. Still risky, considering AD's injury tendencies.

An Ironman that hurt his knee his second year here.

A 25 year old Davis is better than a 31 year old KG

[BillTheGOAT]

2019-20 Boston cap numbers

Smart- $12,053,471
Tatum- $7,830,000
Williams- $1,937,520

Total= $21,820,991
+25% more incoming salary
= $27,276,239

Anthony Davis 2019-20 salary

$27,093,019
+15% trade kicker
= $31,156,972

We're short ~3,9 million

SAC pick if it stays at 13 rookie scale is roughly 3 million +20% = 3,6 million, still 200 k shy of that number. Obviously giving them the Clippers pick lets us meet that number but that is a gross overpay.

Looking at what Kawhi was traded for, Kyrie Irving, Paul George etc. These stars never get real value in return so why should we overpay by giving them Tatum? Are they going to threaten us and take the Lakers' package?

There’s a reason why they picked up Yabus deal

Totally missed Yabu. But I think Tatum is a huge loss, so the net value while it's still AD we lose a potential superstar in Tatum. So feels kind of sad. If only the SAC pick was 6 down to the 2 maybe we could give them Brown instead. Plus MEM pick and the Clippers.

[ConstableGeneva]

Solomon Hill is expiring. We can maybe re-route him to a 3rd team if we don't want him. But I'm betting he can be turned into a serviceable swing ala Crowder. He had a good playoffs run in Indy. It's the reason why he was given that contract.

[Homerclease]

2019-20 Boston cap numbers

Smart- $12,053,471
Tatum- $7,830,000
Williams- $1,937,520

Total= $21,820,991
+25% more incoming salary
= $27,276,239

Anthony Davis 2019-20 salary

$27,093,019
+15% trade kicker
= $31,156,972

We're short ~3,9 million

SAC pick if it stays at 13 rookie scale is roughly 3 million +20% = 3,6 million, still 200 k shy of that number. Obviously giving them the Clippers pick lets us meet that number but that is a gross overpay.

Looking at what Kawhi was traded for, Kyrie Irving, Paul George etc. These stars never get real value in return so why should we overpay by giving them Tatum? Are they going to threaten us and take the Lakers' package?

There’s a reason why they picked up Yabus deal

Totally missed Yabu. But I think Tatum is a huge loss, so the net value while it's still AD we lose a potential superstar in Tatum. So feels kind of sad. If only the SAC pick was 6 down to the 2 maybe we could give them Brown instead. Plus MEM pick and the Clippers.

Not a chance. No Tatum no deal. Easy choice. You trade Tatum 100x out of 100