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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade from NO 

Post#1881 » by ConstableGeneva » Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:39 pm

Very comprehensive but very technical discussion of AD trade possibilities from cap/CBA expert Albert Nahmad (@AlbertNahmad)...

http://heathoops.com/2019/01/anthony-davis-has-asked-to-be-traded-a-brief-faq-on-what-that-could-mean/

Just sharing. I myself can't verify the accuracy of the details/numbers in the article, but it's worth the read if you have the time. Some of the scenarios and pros/cons have already been discussed in this thread.

A couple of Celtics-related bits:
According to Marc Stein of the New York Times, Davis has not provided the Pelicans a list of his preferred trade destinations. But the timing of his decision to inform the Pelicans that he does not wish to sign an extension and to request a trade – just prior to the Feb. 7 trade deadline – does seem curious. He did so knowing that the Boston Celtics, one of the two teams widely regarded as the foremost challengers for Davis, would be restricted from trading for him at the trade deadline (more on that later), and that the Los Angeles Lakers, the other, would (at least theoretically) have a significant advantage if a trade were to be completed at the trade deadline.

It seems rather clear from his tactics that he would prefer to be traded to the Lakers, as quickly as possible.
Davis purchased a home in Westlake Village, just outside of Los Angeles, for $7.5 million this past summer.

The Pelicans, however, are certainly cognizant of such tactics, are fully aware that they would lose a major suitor if they were to entertain the prospect of accepting a trade offer at the Feb. 7 trade deadline without first checking in with the Celtics. They will carefully evaluate and negotiate each potential trade package (including from the Celtics, who could negotiate preliminary terms of a trade that would be executed next July; that, however, carries a certain degree of risk, given the uncertainty surrounding Boston’s upcoming playoff run) regardless of Davis’ wishes.


While the Celtics would not be eligible to acquire Davis at the trade deadline while Irving remains on the roster, nothing restricts both sides from negotiating the framework of a potential Davis trade either now or this summer. An agreement could be in place before that date, and finalized on July 6 (after July Moratorium).
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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade from NO 

Post#1882 » by ddb » Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:43 pm

Anthony Davis is a stud. My ONLY concern with him is when I think back to all the Celtics/Pelicans games over the years, it sure seems like every time the Celtics win....you look at the box score and say to yourself, "wow, Davis at 36/17...when did that happen?" Point I'm trying to make is that he's amazing. He's a stat stuffer.... but why does so much of that production go almost unnoticed?

I actually think if the Pelicans were in the East throughout Davis' tenure in NOLA, they'd be a Top 4 or 5 team every year and a threat to be in the Semi's and East Finals.
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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade from NO 

Post#1883 » by ConstableGeneva » Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:55 pm

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25882659/with-trade-speculation-swirling-lakers-brandon-ingram-scores-career-best-36-points

Any Lakers trade package presented to the Pelicans would include some combination of Ingram, Hart, Kuzma, Ball and Ivica Zubac, as well as a future first-round pick or picks. When that offer could occur leading up to the deadline is unknown. New Orleans general manager Dell Demps is "not picking up his phone," a source familiar with the situation told ESPN on Tuesday.

If that is true...

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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade from NO 

Post#1884 » by CeltsfaninDC » Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:57 pm

ddb wrote:Anthony Davis is a stud. My ONLY concern with him is when I think back to all the Celtics/Pelicans games over the years, it sure seems like every time the Celtics win....you look at the box score and say to yourself, "wow, Davis at 36/17...when did that happen?" Point I'm trying to make is that he's amazing. He's a stat stuffer.... but why does so much of that production go almost unnoticed?

Because he does it so effortlessly. He’s smooth and does so many different things that you forget that he’s not a guard or a forward. The variety of moves and his ability to score from almost anywhere at will means you don’t just focus on him posting up 20 times. He’s running the floor and posting up and taking guys off the dribble and finishing an offensive rebound. And then you look up and see his stats.
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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade from NO 

Post#1885 » by Banks2Pierce » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:00 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:People need to stop putting Gordon Hayward in AD trade proposals. Nevermind that he is a shell of a player that he was and making $30+ million per year, Hayward serves absolutely no purpose for a rebuilding New Orleans Pelicans team. They would get much better offers elsewhere.


I think it's entirely reasonable as one trade permutation among many. Tatum + 2 lottery picks +2 other 1sts is close on value to other team's best packages. Adding Smart or Brown on top of that just to bridge salary feels a bit like bidding against ourselves unless they force us into it, in which case we should probably pull back a pick or two. Feels like a copout claiming they still need to sell tickets, but they do. Lowe mentioned this as well, but they could hype up the Holiday/Tatum/Hayward trio. A Hayward and pick friendly package makes the most sense for us and may for them as well.
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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade from NO 

Post#1886 » by ddb » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:01 pm

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ddb wrote:Anthony Davis is a stud. My ONLY concern with him is when I think back to all the Celtics/Pelicans games over the years, it sure seems like every time the Celtics win....you look at the box score and say to yourself, "wow, Davis at 36/17...when did that happen?" Point I'm trying to make is that he's amazing. He's a stat stuffer.... but why does so much of that production go almost unnoticed?

Because he does it so effortlessly. He’s smooth and does so many different things that you forget that he’s not a guard or a forward. The variety of moves and his ability to score from almost anywhere at will means you don’t just focus on him posting up 20 times. He’s running the floor and posting up and taking guys off the dribble and finishing an offensive rebound. And then you look up and see his stats.
Yeah I love his high arching J.

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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade from NO 

Post#1887 » by Saint Lazarus » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:02 pm

Just spitballing here...

Can we ask Kyrie to retire from the NBA for a week thus clearing his Rose contract from the books, trade for Davis, and then have Kyrie 'change his mind' and return to the NBA?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade from NO 

Post#1888 » by Fencer reregistered » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:05 pm

Saint Lazarus wrote:Just spitballing here...

Can we ask Kyrie to retire from the NBA for a week thus clearing his Rose contract from the books, trade for Davis, and then have Kyrie 'change his mind' and return to the NBA?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade from NO 

Post#1889 » by hickfromfrenchlick » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:06 pm

CavemanDoctor wrote:
The Corey's wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:Yah, Ill trade Tatum, Brown and 4 future firsts for AD without thinking twice. Im hopeful we wouldnt have to trade Brown with Tatum, but if we did, so be it.

Heres our scenario’s, as I see it:

We dont trade for AD:

Kyrie leaves because hes not waiting around for an uncertain trade asset to eventually become available. Ainge initiates another rebuild.

AD stays for a year then leaves:

Ainge initiates a rebuild, trading a resigned Kyrie for assets

AD stays long term:

We have the best 1-2 punch in the East and a good chance of being the next super team for the next 5 years.

Im taking the shot on AD every time, to be honest.


And when he bolts will you demand the heads of everyone involved? There has to be consequences to such gross mismanagement. You cant just say, hey it was a gamble!


Demand the heads? I'd consider myself fortunate that my GM had the balls to take on the calculated risk and cares more about setting up multi-year cycles of contending rather than taking a more risk-averse 'safer' path. Fortune favors the bold.


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Getting the Celtics in position to take this risk is EXACTLY WHAT AINGE HAS BEEN WORKING TOWARDS SINCE THE NETS TRADE.
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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade from NO 

Post#1890 » by Saint Lazarus » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:07 pm

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Saint Lazarus wrote:Just spitballing here...

Can we ask Kyrie to retire from the NBA for a week thus clearing his Rose contract from the books, trade for Davis, and then have Kyrie 'change his mind' and return to the NBA?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


No.


Yes. :nod:
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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade from NO 

Post#1891 » by Feed Your Head » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:08 pm

hickfromfrenchlick wrote:
CavemanDoctor wrote:
The Corey's wrote:
And when he bolts will you demand the heads of everyone involved? There has to be consequences to such gross mismanagement. You cant just say, hey it was a gamble!


Demand the heads? I'd consider myself fortunate that my GM had the balls to take on the calculated risk and cares more about setting up multi-year cycles of contending rather than taking a more risk-averse 'safer' path. Fortune favors the bold.


+1000000000000000000

Getting the Celtics in position to take this risk is EXACTLY WHAT AINGE HAS BEEN WORKING TOWARDS SINCE THE NETS TRADE.



People get way too attached to young players an potential. Everyone knows how much i love Tatum and Smart, but if that's the cost for AD? So be it. I do hope for a way to be able to keep Smart, is unlikely though.
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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade from NO 

Post#1892 » by GoCeltics123 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:10 pm

Read on Twitter


YES this helps our chances a lot, means chance of a deadline deal decrease and/or Demps could very well believe that the Celtics are offering the house and/or Dell is getting fired :lol:

However, Walton has had several individual conversations about it with his players, much the same way he did with players last season when the specter of landing James became an elephant in the room and eventually led to the cap-clearing trade at the deadline that sent Larry Nance Jr. and Jordan Clarkson to, coincidentally, the Cleveland Cavaliers.

The speculation is "weighing heavily" on the several of young guys this time around, the source said.


From ESPN. Wouldn't be surprised if this was true for our players too, it's a tough thing to deal with.
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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade from NO 

Post#1893 » by Scarletfire81 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:16 pm

GoCeltics123 wrote:
Read on Twitter


YES this helps our chances a lot, means chance of a deadline deal decrease and/or Demps could very well believe that the Celtics are offering the house and/or Dell is getting fired :lol:



This is great news. C's have the best chance if he is not traded by the deadline.
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Post#1894 » by SmartWentCrazy » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:21 pm

GregB wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Andrew McCeltic wrote:Re: Hayward, Paul George was not good in his return from ACL surgery in April 2015- 36 percent shooting, 8.8 points in 15 minutes a game over a two-week stretch. 7 months later, after an off-season of rest/training, he averaged 29 points in November 2015 on .475 shooting, .490 from 3.

Hayward hasn't had an off-season, and he's in month 4.. I've seen Cousins play, too, and he's definitely less explosive and less vertical - it just doesn't matter as much because he's gigantic and there are only a handful of bigs in the league who won't just get out of his way.


Hayward is 16 months removed from his injury. 16 months after PGs injury, he was averaging 30-8-4 on 62% TS%.

People need to stop with the PG nonsense.


Hayward has a second surgery. PG did not. PG was also the number one option the day he returned to the court. Hayward was like 5-6.

I am not saying Hayward is going to fully come back. But the situations aren’t really comparable.


Agreed— my point is the same thing, these are different scenarios and we shouldnt be using PG as a benchmark.
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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade from NO 

Post#1895 » by denmuscles » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:24 pm

Some people here need to understand this. If you want AD you are NOT GOING TO KEEP TATUM. Please stop offering GARBAGE offers for AD.

Offer Tatum, Brown picks , fillers etc. Why would Hayward be desired or wanted, the guy is TOAST. I would be the first one to hang up on Danny if he played greedy with AD.

Pels would probably want all the picks we have, Tatum, maybe Marcus smart instead of Brown...

But for AD they ask, you give. SIMPLE AS THAT.

If he doesn’t want to resign obviously tell him to kick rocks but if he does intend to stay gut this team and get AD at all costs.

Ingram, Ball, Kuzma etc is a SOLID OFFER for Pels to consider. So not sure why Gordon Hayward is mentioned or Rozier etc.
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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade from NO 

Post#1896 » by truth18 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:25 pm

GoCeltics123 wrote:
Read on Twitter


YES this helps our chances a lot, means chance of a deadline deal decrease and/or Demps could very well believe that the Celtics are offering the house and/or Dell is getting fired :lol:



It seems pretty unlikely to me that Demps is not picking up his phone. If he's not the Pelicans are showing even greater incompetence than I thought.
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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade from NO 

Post#1897 » by SmartWentCrazy » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:26 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:People need to stop putting Gordon Hayward in AD trade proposals. Nevermind that he is a shell of a player that he was and making $30+ million per year, Hayward serves absolutely no purpose for a rebuilding New Orleans Pelicans team. They would get much better offers elsewhere.


Gerad Wallace served no purpose for a rebuilding Celtics team, either. Sometimes teams eat bad contracts in these scenarios to get a greater return.
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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade from NO 

Post#1898 » by Scarletfire81 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:31 pm

If Hayward can return close form before the end of the year then I see no reason the pelicans wouldn't want him over Brown or Tatum. He is still recovering, I understand he looks bad but he has shown some flashes here and there. At some point I believe he will turn a corner.
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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade from NO 

Post#1899 » by Celts17Pride » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:34 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:People need to stop putting Gordon Hayward in AD trade proposals. Nevermind that he is a shell of a player that he was and making $30+ million per year, Hayward serves absolutely no purpose for a rebuilding New Orleans Pelicans team. They would get much better offers elsewhere.


Gerad Wallace served no purpose for a rebuilding Celtics team, either. Sometimes teams eat bad contracts in these scenarios to get a greater return.

Still have to have a greater return than other teams and Hayward is a huge negative to a rebuilding Pelicans team.

All the rumors out there is the Pelicans are trying to unload Holiday, Moore and Mirotic so it makes no sense they would take Hayward.
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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade from NO 

Post#1900 » by ConstableGeneva » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:35 pm

Banks2Pierce wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:People need to stop putting Gordon Hayward in AD trade proposals. Nevermind that he is a shell of a player that he was and making $30+ million per year, Hayward serves absolutely no purpose for a rebuilding New Orleans Pelicans team. They would get much better offers elsewhere.


I think it's entirely reasonable as one trade permutation among many. Tatum + 2 lottery picks +2 other 1sts is close on value to other team's best packages. Adding Smart or Brown on top of that just to bridge salary feels a bit like bidding against ourselves unless they force us into it, in which case we should probably pull back a pick or two. Feels like a copout claiming they still need to sell tickets, but they do. Lowe mentioned this as well, but they could hype up the Holiday/Tatum/Hayward/Okafor foursome. A Hayward and pick friendly package makes the most sense for us and may for them as well.

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