Anthony Davis Requests Trade from NO

[amory87]

He'll be a Celtic.

I don't know for how long or if he's the key to a championship or multiple championships or what have you. But AD has been Danny's white whale for a long time and he's finally going to get his chance. For better or worse, I can't see him turning down any reasonable deal.

[ddb]

Some people here need to understand this. If you want AD you are NOT GOING TO KEEP TATUM. Please stop offering GARBAGE offers for AD.

Offer Tatum, Brown picks , fillers etc. Why would Hayward be desired or wanted, the guy is TOAST. I would be the first one to hang up on Danny if he played greedy with AD.

Pels would probably want all the picks we have, Tatum, maybe Marcus smart instead of Brown...

But for AD they ask, you give. SIMPLE AS THAT.

If he doesn’t want to resign obviously tell him to kick rocks but if he does intend to stay gut this team and get AD at all costs.

Ingram, Ball, Kuzma etc is a SOLID OFFER for Pels to consider. So not sure why Gordon Hayward is mentioned or Rozier etc.

Smart could be a great leader for a young rebuilding team, but I think your average small-market GM goes for Brown's flash and potential instead. And bunch of B+ young guys is not a solid offer for an A+++ player--especially knowing what Danny could offer during a higher-stakes summer bidding war.

Call me crazy but I really want Smart to remain with Boston long term. He is getting better and better both as a player, leader, and someone his teammates respect.

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[truth18]

Some people here need to understand this. If you want AD you are NOT GOING TO KEEP TATUM. Please stop offering GARBAGE offers for AD.

Offer Tatum, Brown picks , fillers etc. Why would Hayward be desired or wanted, the guy is TOAST. I would be the first one to hang up on Danny if he played greedy with AD.

Pels would probably want all the picks we have, Tatum, maybe Marcus smart instead of Brown...

But for AD they ask, you give. SIMPLE AS THAT.

If he doesn’t want to resign obviously tell him to kick rocks but if he does intend to stay gut this team and get AD at all costs.

Ingram, Ball, Kuzma etc is a SOLID OFFER for Pels to consider. So not sure why Gordon Hayward is mentioned or Rozier etc.

Smart could be a great leader for a young rebuilding team, but I think your average small-market GM goes for Brown's flash and potential instead. And bunch of B+ young guys is not a solid offer for an A+++ player--especially knowing what Danny could offer during a higher-stakes summer bidding war.

Call me crazy but I really want Smart to remain with Boston long term. He is getting better and better both as a player, leader, and someone his teammates respect.

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He's been the leader of the team for years FWIW.

But whatever it takes for AD, you do it.

[ddb]

I think the Lakers are going to offer the Pelicans a monster deal of Pope, Ball, Kuzma, Hart, Zubac, 2019 1st round pick and 2021 1st round pick for Davis, Payton and Jackson. I think the Pelicans probably take it. Davis wants to go to LA. Deal done by Tuesday.

The whole purpose of bringing in Lebron is for a trade like this one. Lakers will overspend.

Just my prediction. Flame away.

Not a crazy notion, but I ask you...why does NOLA do this now instead of in the summer when there will be far more clarity on everything from a pick perspective and offer perspective. It makes zero sense for them to rush into anything. It would be knee-jerk and stupid.

IMO, Lakers could offer their entire team besides LeBron and I'd still prefer the Celtics package and probably even what the Knicks can offer.


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[wco81]

If Hayward can return close form before the end of the year then I see no reason the pelicans wouldn't want him over Brown or Tatum. He is still recovering, I understand he looks bad but he has shown some flashes here and there. At some point I believe he will turn a corner.

They don’t want to pay him over $30 million a year even if he’s better.

He’d have to be WAY better for them to take an older player who makes probably double what Tatum and Brown make on their rookie deals.

[watsonthedragon]

I think the Lakers are going to offer the Pelicans a monster deal of Pope, Ball, Kuzma, Hart, Zubac, 2019 1st round pick and 2021 1st round pick for Davis, Payton and Jackson. I think the Pelicans probably take it. Davis wants to go to LA. Deal done by Tuesday.

The whole purpose of bringing in Lebron is for a trade like this one. Lakers will overspend.

Just my prediction. Flame away.

Why wouldn't NO wait until the offseason? Start a bidding war between LA and Boston (which Boston will ultimately win). I don't see any incentive for NO not to wait.

[bucknersrevenge]

I don’t see Rozier involved in an offer at all. Why is he agreeing to go to New Orleans unless he is being vastly overpaid? And why does New Orleans want that? Terry is going to want to see what his options are, and he is not a Day One free agent.

We are going to want to have an AD trade wrapped up in principle around draft night. That way, they can draft the guys they want with any picks we give them, and we enter free agency with AD already in tow. That lets us concentrate on resigning Kyrie, Horford, Morris, Baynes, and maybe Terry too. Way too much risk letting those guys hit the market with no AD in place.

I totally hate you right now.

I made the comment earlier about it hurting to lose Smart so I had almost convinced myself that NO might like to take Terry instead. I know you're not sentimental. I try not to be but I do like the kid. Also think Danny could try to give up Yabusele and keep Williams. Considering what else we'd be forking over Yabu provides more ballast while marginal right now but Williams holds more longterm potential.

Having said all that if we can at least keep Brown then I'm pretty much in agreement with where that leaves us:

Kyrie
Brown
Hayward
AD
Al

Bench: Baynes (P.O. he'd definitely exercise and would be back), Ojeleye (actually think he'd get a chance to come in out of the shadows) Williams

Resident capologists correct me but I think we'd have the MLE, the mini-MLE and vet plus any remaining draft picks to fill out the roster. I think we keep at least 1 draft pick this year. So...

draft pick BPA
possibly Morris returns
possibly Terry returns
vet pg (Wanamaker? Mack, Beverley)

Smart has to be in the deal to make the money work. There’s no other way unless they take Hayward on

I know. I know.

Doesn't mean I have to like it.

[Celts17Pride]

I think the Lakers are going to offer the Pelicans a monster deal of Pope, Ball, Kuzma, Hart, Zubac, 2019 1st round pick and 2021 1st round pick for Davis, Payton and Jackson. I think the Pelicans probably take it. Davis wants to go to LA. Deal done by Tuesday.

The whole purpose of bringing in Lebron is for a trade like this one. Lakers will overspend.

Just my prediction. Flame away.

Not a crazy notion, but I ask you...why does NOLA do this now instead of in the summer when there will be far more clarity on everything from a pick perspective and offer perspective. It makes zero sense for them to rush into anything. It would be knee-jerk and stupid.

IMO, Lakers could offer their entire team besides LeBron and I'd still prefer the Celtics package and probably even what the Knicks can offer.


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You might be right. Just a prediction. The point I'm making is New Orleans is going to ask for something from the Lakers to do it now and Magic will give them whatever they want to pair him with Lebron.

[amory87]

I think the Lakers are going to offer the Pelicans a monster deal of Pope, Ball, Kuzma, Hart, Zubac, 2019 1st round pick and 2021 1st round pick for Davis, Payton and Jackson. I think the Pelicans probably take it. Davis wants to go to LA. Deal done by Tuesday.

The whole purpose of bringing in Lebron is for a trade like this one. Lakers will overspend.

Just my prediction. Flame away.

Not a crazy notion, but I ask you...why does NOLA do this now instead of in the summer when there will be far more clarity on everything from a pick perspective and offer perspective. It makes zero sense for them to rush into anything. It would be knee-jerk and stupid.

IMO, Lakers could offer their entire team besides LeBron and I'd still prefer the Celtics package and probably even what the Knicks can offer.


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I don't see any reason why they wouldn't just wait until the summer. I guess if Demps is scared that AD will pull a Kawhi and say he's only going to sign in LA and damage the trade market, there's a small chance he'd take a bird in the hand while he has it.

But if I'm Ainge I've already called NO and said here's what I'm willing to give, and I don't care if he says he won't re-sign here.

[bucknersrevenge]

One other angle about this Gordon Hayward business of including him or not. Don't forget this is a Stevens guy. And while some of us may wish that Hayward and his salary were gone, I bet Stevens does not. And if you think a half a year (or a year and a half, however you might want to put it) will change the faith Stevens has in him and thus his desire to have Danny keep him, I think you are mistaken. I'd be surprised if Hayward doesn't finish out his contract here.

[truth18]

I think the Lakers are going to offer the Pelicans a monster deal of Pope, Ball, Kuzma, Hart, Zubac, 2019 1st round pick and 2021 1st round pick for Davis, Payton and Jackson. I think the Pelicans probably take it. Davis wants to go to LA. Deal done by Tuesday.

The whole purpose of bringing in Lebron is for a trade like this one. Lakers will overspend.

Just my prediction. Flame away.

Not a crazy notion, but I ask you...why does NOLA do this now instead of in the summer when there will be far more clarity on everything from a pick perspective and offer perspective. It makes zero sense for them to rush into anything. It would be knee-jerk and stupid.

IMO, Lakers could offer their entire team besides LeBron and I'd still prefer the Celtics package and probably even what the Knicks can offer.


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You might be right. Just a prediction.

I hope DDB is correct but my official prediction is that he ends up on the Lakers as well. Not trying to be a wet blanket just want to get that in ink somewhere.

[ddb]

One other angle about this Gordon Hayward business of including him or not. Don't forget this is a Stevens guy. And while some of us may wish that Hayward and his salary were gone, I bet Stevens does not. And if you think a half a year (or a year and a half, however you might want to put it) will change the faith Stevens has in him and thus his desire to have Danny keep him, I think you are mistaken. I'd be surprised if Hayward doesn't finish out his contract here.

You are probably right, and Hayward will probably end up being good again as an All-Star caliber wing once the AD trade sorta clears out the wing Jam

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[CelticsLV]

2019-20 Boston cap numbers

Smart- $12,053,471
Tatum- $7,830,000
Williams- $1,937,520

Total= $21,820,991
+25% more incoming salary
= $27,276,239

Anthony Davis 2019-20 salary

$27,093,019
+15% trade kicker
= $31,156,972

We're short ~3,9 million

SAC pick if it stays at 13 rookie scale is roughly 3 million +20% = 3,6 million, still 200 k shy of that number. Obviously giving them the Clippers pick lets us meet that number but that is a gross overpay.

Looking at what Kawhi was traded for, Kyrie Irving, Paul George etc. These stars never get real value in return so why should we overpay by giving them Tatum? Are they going to threaten us and take the Lakers' package?

There’s a reason why they picked up Yabus deal

Totally missed Yabu. But I think Tatum is a huge loss, so the net value while it's still AD we lose a potential superstar in Tatum. So feels kind of sad. If only the SAC pick was 6 down to the 2 maybe we could give them Brown instead. Plus MEM pick and the Clippers.

Potential superstar for a superstar. What a hard choice. That's like saying "I'm not trading my $1M bet on black/red for $2M cash"
I'm actually unrealistically generous giving Tatum a 50% chance of becoming a superstar/top5 player.

[Banks2Pierce]

One other angle about this Gordon Hayward business of including him or not. Don't forget this is a Stevens guy. And while some of us may wish that Hayward and his salary were gone, I bet Stevens does not. And if you think a half a year (or a year and a half, however you might want to put it) will change the faith Stevens has in him and thus his desire to have Danny keep him, I think you are mistaken. I'd be surprised if Hayward doesn't finish out his contract here.

Would be harsh, but Ainge is not sentimental. We won't be in the market for FAs for a long time and I don't think they'd even care that Ainge moved on from the guy after that injury.

[JHTruth]

He'll be a Celtic.

I don't know for how long or if he's the key to a championship or multiple championships or what have you. But AD has been Danny's white whale for a long time and he's finally going to get his chance. For better or worse, I can't see him turning down any reasonable deal.

LOL you know Moby Dick ends up destroying Ahab's ship and escaping right? Maybe not the best analogy..

[OBisHalJordan]

He'll be a Celtic.

I don't know for how long or if he's the key to a championship or multiple championships or what have you. But AD has been Danny's white whale for a long time and he's finally going to get his chance. For better or worse, I can't see him turning down any reasonable deal.

Have you read Moby Dick? It doesn't have a happy ending. If AD is Ainge's white whale it means its obsession that he will pursue the point of destroying himself and everyone around him.

edit: haha, JHTruth beat to the punch on this one....

[amory87]

One other angle about this Gordon Hayward business of including him or not. Don't forget this is a Stevens guy. And while some of us may wish that Hayward and his salary were gone, I bet Stevens does not. And if you think a half a year (or a year and a half, however you might want to put it) will change the faith Stevens has in him and thus his desire to have Danny keep him, I think you are mistaken. I'd be surprised if Hayward doesn't finish out his contract here.

If Danny wanted to include him in a deal and the Pelicans actually wanted him and his albatross contract I don't think Brad would get much of a say to keep him here. I like the guy a lot and it's terrible how everything's gone, but he's already a bust of a contract regardless of whether he regains his form eventually. We tied all that money up to get 4 years of Utah Hayward or ideally better. At best we could maybe get 2, and even that looks pretty unlikely.

Probably irrelevant because the Pelicans would be crazy to want him at this point.

He'll be a Celtic.

I don't know for how long or if he's the key to a championship or multiple championships or what have you. But AD has been Danny's white whale for a long time and he's finally going to get his chance. For better or worse, I can't see him turning down any reasonable deal.

LOL you know Moby Dick ends up destroying Ahab's ship and escaping right? Maybe not the best analogy..

Hell no I didn't read that thing, there were like no pictures. You know what I mean!

[Celts17Pride]

Not a crazy notion, but I ask you...why does NOLA do this now instead of in the summer when there will be far more clarity on everything from a pick perspective and offer perspective. It makes zero sense for them to rush into anything. It would be knee-jerk and stupid.

IMO, Lakers could offer their entire team besides LeBron and I'd still prefer the Celtics package and probably even what the Knicks can offer.


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You might be right. Just a prediction.

I hope DDB is correct but my official prediction is that he ends up on the Lakers as well. Not trying to be a wet blanket just want to get that in ink somewhere.

Magic is going to offer everyone not named Lebron and overpay because he knows if Anthony Davis is still a Pelican on Feb 8th then the Lakers are finished in their pursuit of AD

[ddb]

guys, it's no the worst thing ever to have Tatum with such a high value while Jaylen is flying under the radar. On a team that features Kyrie-AD-Horford and probably Gordon Hayward as well, Jaylen Brown is probably the better fit VS Tatum. Jaylen is going to get better and better, believe me. He struggled a bit early on, but he's back to being on the trajectory he was on last season. This kid isn't afraid of anyone or anything. He defends well, he's athletic, and when his shot is falling (and I think it'll improve as his career goes on) he is a very nice player for the group mentioned above.
My guy with the Spurs during the Kawhi fiasco said that Pop & RC were super high on Jaylen Brown. They felt like in their system he could blossom into a star.

I don't hate that Tatum has this huge upside. He's an incredible young player, don't get me wrong. But I see Jayson as a guy that is going to need to be a #1 or #2. Not a #3. Jaylen is better suited to have more of an impact overall as a #3/#4

[Homerclease]

You might be right. Just a prediction.

I hope DDB is correct but my official prediction is that he ends up on the Lakers as well. Not trying to be a wet blanket just want to get that in ink somewhere.

Magic is going to offer everyone not named Lebron and overpay because he knows if Anthony Davis is still a Pelican on Feb 8th then the Lakers are finished in their pursuit of AD

He can offer everyone but Lebron and that would still be an underpay. They don’t have a single centerpiece asset. Knicks are the only real threat if they are willing to part with Zion IMO