Anthony Davis Requests Trade, pt 2

[thelarrybirdx]

This is getting ridiculous. So now Kyrie is not in the same universe as AD. Now that is an interesting development. A superstar is a superstar no? Now Kyrie is a top 20 player? Man how things change.

Kyrie was cold blooded in the Finals against GS. He is a superstar in any conversation. To say AD is light years ahead of Kyrie is not only disengenous...it’s flat out wrong. Is AD better? Yes as I have stated. However, not by light years. Thats just not right. I had no idea AD was Russell, Wilt and Jordan all rolled into one.

Did you even read my reply? I said Kyrie was borderline top-20 at the time of the trade. You can’t refute this claim without sounding extremely biased.

I should have said Kyrie isn’t a top 20 player to you? Top lists are whatever you want to make of them. He is easy top 15 pushing 10 in my book. Dude is incredible especially as a guard.

Ok you clearly aren't understanding what I'm saying so I'll drop it

[Jaqua92]

Where are you hearing they are in contact with ainge?

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On one of the Pelicans boards that I visit. They have a poster who is basically their version of reload...

We will see though because if AD is traded before the deadline then him or his sources aren't very good.

This makes a ton of sense— theyre gunna wait for the summer cuz there is no way you let Dell Demps make the move that shapes your franchise for the next decade and youre not going to rush the hiring process to appease LeBron/Klutch

Do you think that if they are discussing a plan for the summer right now, that the Pelicans would go back on it come summer time? You are more NBA familiar than I am, so obviously they could go back on and Arrangement should something better come along. But if they agree now to a trade over the summer, is that it? It's going to happen regardless of what New York can muster?

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[Homerclease]

He is top 5, if not top 3 in any given year. Don't understand why he's now being underrated on this board.

He is a perennial MVP candidate and significantly better than Kyrie. And I love Kyrie.

If Ainge can pull this off, Tatum is 100% gone. Everyone has to come to terms with that now. The only hope is we are able to keep at least one of Smart or Brown; if we can keep both, Ainge is a miracle-worker. That will largely depend on what the lottery gives the Knicks and Kings.

No he isn't. MVP players get out of the first round of the playoffs, not barely getting in.

Google last year’s playoffs.

Guess Giannis isn’t an MVP candidate either

[ViperGTS]

Did you even read my reply? I said Kyrie was borderline top-20 at the time of the trade. You can’t refute this claim without sounding extremely biased.

I should have said Kyrie isn’t a top 20 player to you? Top lists are whatever you want to make of them. He is easy top 15 pushing 10 in my book. Dude is incredible especially as a guard.

Ok you clearly aren't understanding what I'm saying so I'll drop it

I got it now. At the time of the trade you felt he was barely top 20. I suppose the knee thing was a factor in that.

[Jaqua92]

I forgot that AD only played 8 games this year with a quad injury that will have to be managed for the rest of his career— Kawhi is the perfect analogy!

This is true for sure. AD also has already had 2 concussions I believe and then a rash of smaller injuries. These all add up over time.

That's true. Not to mention, there is some stock to be put into his individual accolades as well.

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[thelarrybirdx]

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[Jaqua92]

I should have said Kyrie isn’t a top 20 player to you? Top lists are whatever you want to make of them. He is easy top 15 pushing 10 in my book. Dude is incredible especially as a guard.

Ok you clearly aren't understanding what I'm saying so I'll drop it

I got it now. At the time of the trade you felt he was barely top 20. I suppose the knee thing was a factor in that.

I've had Kyrie as a top-10 player since Cleveland's victory over Golden State. It's just that now he has the numbers in advanced statistics to validate that.

Kyrie has also been a plus Defender, and has been a legit top 10 player this year. It is not absurd to think that he may become an mvp-caliber player for a year or two.

I don't think that it will be Davis first option and Kyrie second option if we land him, not until Davis is around 27. I think that Kyrie hits his Peak a little bit before Davis does and forba few years it would be 1a. and 1b

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[Jaqua92]

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Yeah. Tatum does not seem like an arrogant or vindictive kind of guy. I think he gets it. If there is any young player whose game will not be altered by the trade talks, it's him

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[K For Three]

This is getting ridiculous. So now Kyrie is not in the same universe as AD. Now that is an interesting development. A superstar is a superstar no? Now Kyrie is a top 20 player? Man how things change.

Kyrie was cold blooded in the Finals against GS. He is a superstar in any conversation. To say AD is light years ahead of Kyrie is not only disengenous...it’s flat out wrong. Is AD better? Yes as I have stated. However, not by light years. Thats just not right. I had no idea AD was Russell, Wilt and Jordan all rolled into one.

Personally I think more highly of Kyrie then a lot of fans do. I think AD is amazing and has the potential to be the best player in the league but I think Kyrie is top 10 and arguably the one guy in the league I would want most with the ball in his hand in clutch spots in big games.

I mean you can rank Kyrie where you want, top 20/top 15/top 10 whatever. But the guy is a murderer when the lights are brightest or has that ability to become one, not every player has this gift.

When we did trade for Kyrie people should read over all the things Danny said about him. It was flat out gushing. His age of 25 and he made it clear that Kyrie's work in the big games and especially the finals was huge to him for such a young guy. Being an NBA champion, Olympic champion, multiple all star etc. They had been watching him for years. But he really stressed his big game performances.

To dump Kyrie would take A LOT for Danny and I think people don't realize the value of Kyrie in this league for a team that aspires to win a championship, not just be in the ECFs as a ceiling.....but A TITLE.

But I also believe that Danny struck double gold with Kyrie since he found out Kyrie was close friends with Anthony Davis too. Pairing those two up would be absolutely electric and I think he will do whatever he can to try to make this happen.

[shackles10]

Them getting traded doesn’t meant AD is getting traded before the deadline. It just means Pels know AD won’t be there at some point soon so cash in on all of their other assets now. There is no benefit to hanging on to those guys until the summer like there would be for AD.

[Scarletfire81]

On one of the Pelicans boards that I visit. They have a poster who is basically their version of reload...

We will see though because if AD is traded before the deadline then him or his sources aren't very good.

This makes a ton of sense— theyre gunna wait for the summer cuz there is no way you let Dell Demps make the move that shapes your franchise for the next decade and youre not going to rush the hiring process to appease LeBron/Klutch

Do you think that if they are discussing a plan for the summer right now, that the Pelicans would go back on it come summer time? You are more NBA familiar than I am, so obviously they could go back on and Arrangement should something better come along. But if they agree now to a trade over the summer, is that it? It's going to happen regardless of what New York can muster?

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I dont think they will make a verbal agreement to anything but I do think Ainge will let them know he will make a strong push for AD. He would probably tell them what players he would make availabe to trade. I doubt he would tell them exactly what the offer would be. Woj was saying they could come to agreement in principle right after the season so NO could make the draft pick selections.

[Bill Lumbergh]

Them getting traded doesn’t meant AD is getting traded before the deadline. It just means Pels know AD won’t be there at some point soon so cash in on all of their other assets now. There is no benefit to hanging on to those guys until the summer like there would be for AD.

That, and they might as well begin their tank now for this upcoming draft.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

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Can you imagine being a player knowing your days on a specific team are numbered? That's gotta be rough

Yup. Especially if you might get traded from a playoff team to a team that sucks. But yeah, I guess the consolation here is that he's going to be traded for one of the best players in the league. I remember Al Jefferson saying how he was honored to be the centerpiece in the KG trade. That's a lot better than being traded for Jonas Jerebko and Gigi Datome I guess.

[shackles10]

Them getting traded doesn’t meant AD is getting traded before the deadline. It just means Pels know AD won’t be there at some point soon so cash in on all of their other assets now. There is no benefit to hanging on to those guys until the summer like there would be for AD.

That, and they might as well begin their tank now for this upcoming draft.

Bingo! They’d be smart to sit AD too. And he would be smart to do so. Anyone interested in him doesn’t need to see him play more to know his value.

[thelarrybirdx]

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Can you imagine being a player knowing your days on a specific team are numbered? That's gotta be rough

Yup. Especially if you might get traded from a playoff team to a team that sucks. But yeah, I guess the consolation here is that he's going to be traded for one of the best players in the league. I remember Al Jefferson saying how he was honored to be the centerpiece in the KG trade. That's a lot better than being traded for Jonas Jerebko and Gigi Datome I guess.

I'm going to get a ton of hate for saying this but I also don't think Tatum is necessarily sold on being in Boston forever. Yes, he's said he wants to be the next Pierce, but he's also said if St. Louis had a team, he'd want to play for them. I don't think getting traded would affect him too much.

[K For Three]

Pelicans can easily **** this up. Don't discount how inept they are with even basic things. This is the team that traded a first round pick for Omri Casspi and then waived him 8 days later. I could very easily see them trading AD for Ingram, Zubac and Kuzma or some other collection of below-average players.

I know the Saints have been great, the past two years, but all in all they haven't been well run in Mickey Loomis' era (I believe he took a step back when the Saints finally took off again as I recall). Certainly can't rule anything out with this management team. It'd be nice if Kyrie could deny the Lakers rumors.

The funny thing is my folks who are older C's fans and don't follow any of the media on it much think Kyrie is staying and don't know a thing about any LA rumors. They seen the commercial with his dad enough and heard what he said in October.
I really think the Kyrie rumors are noise.....the phone call was literally in his own words about leadership. About leading younger guys as a veteran and apologizing for past mistakes.
Kyrie shouldn't deny anything unless asked IMO directly or behind the scenes, if he makes statements it gives the rumors validation.

Also Kyrie and Lebron really did mesh well as a pairing in playing style and I think Lebron did love playing with Kyrie. But there were distinct personality clashes between those two that were well reported at the time and when the breakup happened.

Also Kyrie's father has a big say in things behind the scenes and wanted a better market for his son and wasn't thrilled with Lebron and his people. And his dad loves Boston and has ties there playing basketball. Hell Kyrie's parents met in Boston.

I think the NY rumors have more substance at times since Kyrie has admitted out loud NY has a special place in his heart and he considered the Knicks once.

[Captain_Caveman]

Some of you are overrating Davis. Is he a top-10 player? Sure. Is he a top-5? No a chance. Heck, the best he has been able to carry a team is to an 8th seed. Westbrook carried a bunch of worst scrubs to a 6th seed.

Still I am trading one of Brown or Tatum + everything else for him.

He is top 5, if not top 3 in any given year. Don't understand why he's now being underrated on this board.

He is a perennial MVP candidate and significantly better than Kyrie. And I love Kyrie.

If Ainge can pull this off, Tatum is 100% gone. Everyone has to come to terms with that now. The only hope is we are able to keep at least one of Smart or Brown; if we can keep both, Ainge is a miracle-worker. That will largely depend on what the lottery gives the Knicks and Kings.

No he isn't. MVP players get out of the first round of the playoffs, not barely getting in.

Same **** we heard from people who didn't want to trade for KG.

[mbsnmisc]

I forgot that AD only played 8 games this year with a quad injury that will have to be managed for the rest of his career— Kawhi is the perfect analogy!

This is true for sure. AD also has already had 2 concussions I believe and then a rash of smaller injuries. These all add up over time.

I think SWC is being sarcastic, he is comparing AD's injury history to KL.

AD has averaged @68 games per year. That is the only chink in his armour, and most of his missed games seem to be little bumps and bruises, nothing chronic or overly worrisome. I have pored over his stats trying to find a weakness, but damn, his accomplishments are that of an all-time great. He checks all of the boxes.

[K For Three]

Hell this isn't rocket science people. DA wants to pair up Kyrie with AD and has for some time. It would be better then Kyrie with Lebron on the court.

[CSL_1904]

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It's sad man. I wish we would never have to trade Jayson. I really grow an affection for guys we draft Even more so if they're half decent.