Anthony Davis Requests Trade, pt 2

[ViperGTS]

The exact Woj quotes from tonight:

https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/30/woj-celtics-tell-pelicans-everyone-but-kyrie-irving-is-available/

Interesting. Willing and essentially. Not exactly here, take what you want. I bet AD goes for far less than everyone thinks he will as does every single player ever traded.

Agree. Just like Cousins to Pels, George to OKC or even Kawhi.

Pels need to deal him or he will leave for nothing. I doubt that Danny will put a huge offer on the table.

Thank god another sane person.

[djFan71]

Brown, Rozier and filler is more than good enough. Thats my limit and should be Ainges. If NO can get better, be my guest. Ainge is in a position of strength of that I hope we can agree.

I'd love to get that deal and so would Ainge. He definitely has some power since other teams will be more scared than he will that AD bolts to LA after 1 year. I still think the MEM tank or SAC lotto luck is really the only chance of keeping Tatum out of it, though. Knicks would be the only ones with a pick with that potential that could stomach trading it for AD and risk him going to LA. Either LA team missing the playoffs and getting lotto luck would be game over. Can't really see any other team rolling the dice this summer.

Anyways, the whole idea of my MLE post is that it helps match salary without having to send out guys we want to keep (Smart, both jays, etc). I think you would be on board for that part of it, right?

I must have missed that post. I’m just on the keep one of the Tatum or Brown bandwagon. Preferably Tatum but Brown is fine as well if thats what it takes. As far as the MLE its not needed if they keep Smart. The key again, is keeping Tatum or Brown.

First post you quoted tonight is where I laid the MLE part out - definitely need that to not send Smart. I also specified Tatum or Brown.

[ViperGTS]

I'd love to get that deal and so would Ainge. He definitely has some power since other teams will be more scared than he will that AD bolts to LA after 1 year. I still think the MEM tank or SAC lotto luck is really the only chance of keeping Tatum out of it, though. Knicks would be the only ones with a pick with that potential that could stomach trading it for AD and risk him going to LA. Either LA team missing the playoffs and getting lotto luck would be game over. Can't really see any other team rolling the dice this summer.

Anyways, the whole idea of my MLE post is that it helps match salary without having to send out guys we want to keep (Smart, both jays, etc). I think you would be on board for that part of it, right?

I must have missed that post. I’m just on the keep one of the Tatum or Brown bandwagon. Preferably Tatum but Brown is fine as well if thats what it takes. As far as the MLE its not needed if they keep Smart. The key again, is keeping Tatum or Brown.

First post you quoted tonight is where I laid the MLE part out - definitely need that to not send Smart. I also specified Tatum or Brown.

Gotcha. Been posting more than usual so sorry for missing that.

[Jaqua92]

Can someone point out where AD said he didnt want to play in Boston? Its been said by many posters, but that rumor barely came out of Lakers media..nvm national media..nevermind AD himself. In fact, it was said that the appeal of playing in Boston for him would be teamming up with Kyrie. Speculation probably. But all there is is speculation.

AD NEVER SAID HE DOESNT WANT TO PLAY IN BOSTON PEOPLE.

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He doesn't have to say it. Actions speak louder than words.
Why did he made a trade request now when he knew that the Celtics would not be able to trade for him?
All other 28 teams can. Only the Celtics can't.
Why?

Who knows? He was probably convinced LA is nice, and his agent probably talked him into it.

He isnt going to LA this year. He just isnt. That ship has sailed and sank. If we trade for him in the offseason, after a year of playing with Kyrie and getting to the finals..do you really think he leaves?

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[ParticleMan]

The exact Woj quotes from tonight:

https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/30/woj-celtics-tell-pelicans-everyone-but-kyrie-irving-is-available/

“The message that’s been given out to teams is, ‘Hey if you want to make an offer go ahead, we’ll put it up on our board.’ But New Orleans is really focused on the long play here with these trade talks with Anthony Davis. The trade deadline is obviously next Thursday [February 7]. It is very unlikely that they’re going to be engaged seriously enough with anybody to do a trade by then.”

“Essentially, having Boston in the bidding, who is the team with the most draft picks, several outstanding young players and a really motivated team to try to acquire Anthony Davis it only elevates everyone else’s offers in the trade process and Boston is going to be there. And I think, Boston has sent a message to the Pelicans, ‘Be patient. Wait for us, we are going to be in this and we’re going to be willing to talk about essentially everyone on our roster outside of Kyrie Irving.’ So, I think right now it’s put New Orleans very much in a holding pattern and it’s really dampened the possibility of the [Los Angeles] Lakers being able to do what they’d love to do, is get a deal done prior to the trade deadline. New Orleans has no interest in acquiescing Anthony Davis to the Lakers right now.”

yeah, this is sensible all round. pels should be in no hurry. the C's should have anyone on the table.

if i was ainge i'm basically going with "you get 1 of tatum/brown/smart, then anyone or everyone else on the roster except kyrie, plus your choice of 2 first rounders."

the biggest issue we have isn't the package, it's matching salary.

[Andrew McCeltic]

We'll see what we do with Rozier and Morris before the deadline.. but if Davis stays put through Feb. 7th, the only "game-changers" left would be Sacramento jumping into the top 3, Sacramento making the playoffs, the Lakers missing the playoffs and jumping into the top 3, or Memphis winding up with a top 5 pick and offering it to us for a small consideration in order to fulfill the pick debt.

[Andrew McCeltic]

The exact Woj quotes from tonight:

https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/30/woj-celtics-tell-pelicans-everyone-but-kyrie-irving-is-available/

“The message that’s been given out to teams is, ‘Hey if you want to make an offer go ahead, we’ll put it up on our board.’ But New Orleans is really focused on the long play here with these trade talks with Anthony Davis. The trade deadline is obviously next Thursday [February 7]. It is very unlikely that they’re going to be engaged seriously enough with anybody to do a trade by then.”

“Essentially, having Boston in the bidding, who is the team with the most draft picks, several outstanding young players and a really motivated team to try to acquire Anthony Davis it only elevates everyone else’s offers in the trade process and Boston is going to be there. And I think, Boston has sent a message to the Pelicans, ‘Be patient. Wait for us, we are going to be in this and we’re going to be willing to talk about essentially everyone on our roster outside of Kyrie Irving.’ So, I think right now it’s put New Orleans very much in a holding pattern and it’s really dampened the possibility of the [Los Angeles] Lakers being able to do what they’d love to do, is get a deal done prior to the trade deadline. New Orleans has no interest in acquiescing Anthony Davis to the Lakers right now.”

yeah, this is sensible all round. pels should be in no hurry. the C's should have anyone on the table.

if i was ainge i'm basically going with "you get 1 of tatum/brown/smart, then anyone or everyone else on the roster except kyrie, plus your choice of 2 first rounders."

the biggest issue we have isn't the package, it's matching salary.

Which is why it would be great to get TJ Warren and/or Nurkic..

[Roddy]

Celtics : Anthony Davis

Pels : Beal - Tatum - Rozier - Baynes - Two Bos 1st rd pick (Memphis/Sac)

Wizards : Mirotic - Moore - Morris - Bos 1st rd pick (LAC) , Pels 1st rd pick 2019

Washington in rebuild mode
Pels with a nice young core with Jrue, Beal, Tatum and picks.
Boston #18.

[Jaqua92]

The exact Woj quotes from tonight:

https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/30/woj-celtics-tell-pelicans-everyone-but-kyrie-irving-is-available/

“The message that’s been given out to teams is, ‘Hey if you want to make an offer go ahead, we’ll put it up on our board.’ But New Orleans is really focused on the long play here with these trade talks with Anthony Davis. The trade deadline is obviously next Thursday [February 7]. It is very unlikely that they’re going to be engaged seriously enough with anybody to do a trade by then.”

“Essentially, having Boston in the bidding, who is the team with the most draft picks, several outstanding young players and a really motivated team to try to acquire Anthony Davis it only elevates everyone else’s offers in the trade process and Boston is going to be there. And I think, Boston has sent a message to the Pelicans, ‘Be patient. Wait for us, we are going to be in this and we’re going to be willing to talk about essentially everyone on our roster outside of Kyrie Irving.’ So, I think right now it’s put New Orleans very much in a holding pattern and it’s really dampened the possibility of the [Los Angeles] Lakers being able to do what they’d love to do, is get a deal done prior to the trade deadline. New Orleans has no interest in acquiescing Anthony Davis to the Lakers right now.”

yeah, this is sensible all round. pels should be in no hurry. the C's should have anyone on the table.

if i was ainge i'm basically going with "you get 1 of tatum/brown/smart, then anyone or everyone else on the roster except kyrie, plus your choice of 2 first rounders."

the biggest issue we have isn't the package, it's matching salary.

No way can we do one of Tatum/Smart/Brown. I think that makes the bidding competitive.

I could see a Smart and Brown having to go if we keep Tatum.

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[Parliament10]

The exact Woj quotes from tonight:

https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/30/woj-celtics-tell-pelicans-everyone-but-kyrie-irving-is-available/

yeah, this is sensible all round. pels should be in no hurry. the C's should have anyone on the table.

if i was ainge i'm basically going with "you get 1 of tatum/brown/smart, then anyone or everyone else on the roster except kyrie, plus your choice of 2 first rounders."

the biggest issue we have isn't the package, it's matching salary.

No way can we do one of Tatum/Smart/Brown. I think that makes the bidding competitive.

I could see a Smart and Brown having to go if we keep Tatum.

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I'd say that it has to be one of Horford/Hayward just to be able to Match salaries, and keep from gutting the team.

[ParticleMan]

yeah, this is sensible all round. pels should be in no hurry. the C's should have anyone on the table.

if i was ainge i'm basically going with "you get 1 of tatum/brown/smart, then anyone or everyone else on the roster except kyrie, plus your choice of 2 first rounders."

the biggest issue we have isn't the package, it's matching salary.

No way can we do one of Tatum/Smart/Brown. I think that makes the bidding competitive.

I could see a Smart and Brown having to go if we keep Tatum.

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I'd say that it has to be one of Horford/Hayward just to be able to Match salaries, and keep from gutting the team.

sure and i'd love for it to be hayward but why would the pels do that?
horford is at least expiring and it's always nice to have a vet presence on a young team, so maybe.

i really think tatum+2 picks+prospects (eg timelord) should be enough. who is going to beat that?

[shackles10]

I don’t think AD wants to be labeled as a bad guy in all of this. So far most reports are of the “finally!” or the “I can’t believe it took this long” variety. AD is a cornerstone franchise player though and there’s no way the guy isn’t consulted on moves beforehand. They’re currently out of the playoffs and were in the midst of a slide. The last two trade deadlines they’ve made big moves to try and address the elephant in the room of if he’s happy and will he resign. It’s reasonable to think he wants to let the team know he’s not resigning before they go and do that again. For all we know, this demand could have come public after they asked him about a deal and that part just isn’t as newsworthy at all.

He knows once he announces that Boston can’t be involved. But he also knows the team won’t be in a big hurry to take the first deal available for their franchise player and he knowingly didn’t give much time before the deadline for a deal to happen. One of the earliest reports was also that he is prepared to finished the season in New Orleans and not a report he needs to be in LA next week. Another was he made up his mind the beginning of January but neither AD or his very Laker biased agent announced it then which could have given the Lakers a more realistic timeline and maybe even signaled more a message of they have a month to figure out how to get him to LA. Basically, his announcement could be as simple as it’s time to be sellers and not buyers.

[big-shot-ROB]

No he isn't. MVP players get out of the first round of the playoffs, not barely getting in.

Google last year’s playoffs.

Guess Giannis isn’t an MVP candidate either

Giannis is the 1st seed currently. The roster is better than anything Davis has had though. Still, I mantain my position that bigs, despite how good they can be, don't impact winning that much compared to wings.

[shackles10]

No way can we do one of Tatum/Smart/Brown. I think that makes the bidding competitive.

I could see a Smart and Brown having to go if we keep Tatum.

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I'd say that it has to be one of Horford/Hayward just to be able to Match salaries, and keep from gutting the team.

sure and i'd love for it to be hayward but why would the pels do that?
horford is at least expiring and it's always nice to have a vet presence on a young team, so maybe.

i really think tatum+2 picks+prospects (eg timelord) should be enough. who is going to beat that?

Only issue I see really is that it’s difficult to match salary without one of Smart/Horford/Hayward. I agree with you on Hayward, and the Horford angle you’ve presented is logical. But what if the Pels don’t agree with you on Horford so they want Smart? That’s very possible too. Also maybe we dictate a little which of the 3 based on what draft picks they get or if it’s Tatum vs Brown. Maybe we say if they want Tatum and the best 2 picks, or if you want us to take on Solomon Hill it’s gotta be Hayward.

[klemen4]

I would rank our assets:
- Tatum
- brown
- Mem pick
- smart
- sac pick (if in 10 to 14 range)

Ok you make a great offer, but we can not give all 5 assets. Than we have also:
- rozier
- Williams

Tatum, Brown and Sac pick should be enough and makes also most sense for us. Also we can add sing&trade Rozier.

Hell, they would get 3/5 of team that made it to ECF in Rozier/Brown/Tatum.

Yes it looks to much but
Kyrie max
Smart 12 mil
Hayward max
AD max
Horford (15 mill, he opts out to sign longer contract like 4 year/60mill)

Than we would have Williams to learn and be able to step into starting line when Horford declines. And potentially top 4 Mem pick in 2021 where we could draft SF to groom to replace Hayward.

[KGtabake]

Can someone point out where AD said he didnt want to play in Boston? Its been said by many posters, but that rumor barely came out of Lakers media..nvm national media..nevermind AD himself. In fact, it was said that the appeal of playing in Boston for him would be teamming up with Kyrie. Speculation probably. But all there is is speculation.

AD NEVER SAID HE DOESNT WANT TO PLAY IN BOSTON PEOPLE.

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He doesn't have to say it. Actions speak louder than words.
Why did he made a trade request now when he knew that the Celtics would not be able to trade for him?
All other 28 teams can. Only the Celtics can't.
Why?

Who knows? He was probably convinced LA is nice, and his agent probably talked him into it.

He isnt going to LA this year. He just isnt. That ship has sailed and sank. If we trade for him in the offseason, after a year of playing with Kyrie and getting to the finals..do you really think he leaves?

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This is not like KG situation 10 yrs ago like some people here have posted.
AD is 25 yrs old. Not 31.
He hasn't entered his prime yet and he will have many yrs in front of him to compete.
KG may had a preference for LA but above all he knew that he wanted a ring before he got old. The timeline was in our favor back then, even if KG wasn't exactly sold on us.
It's not the same now. AD is young.
He knew what he wanted from the moment he signed with Klutch. His agent doesn't have to try to convince him for LA.

I don't think he wants to go public and say that he doesn't want to play for boston(that will hurt his image among casual fans--he's generally beloved now). That doesn't mean though that it's difficult for him to torpedo any other teams(other than lakers) efforts to trade for him if NO pisses him off for some reason(that fine against him by the league was caused by pels request...not too smart by NO but their FO has a history of doing silly things so not a surprise really)

I don't know man. Just like you and just like any of us. I go with the writing on the wall now but i really wish i'm wrong.
In the end of the day....keep the team intact, keep developing the youth, keep beating the bucks in particular and in 2 years we can try to unsettle Giannis if we desperately want a megastar. AD is not the end of the world.
Time is on our side.

[shackles10]

The Lakers prospects aren’t bad, but what’s happened when they’ve ran the show? Last year they were in the lottery and this year they’ve dropped from 4th to 9th. The stats aren’t great from anyone and even the decent stats are rather empty and not translating to wins. Last year Tatum, Brown, and Rozier were the 3 main scoring options on a team that had a 4th quarter lead against a similarly talented LeBron James led Cavs team. Demps isn’t great at his job but do we really think he isn’t aware of this? Then we move on to the picks like what we can offer is even comparable to the Lakers offering their own picks from a team that would then include Lebron/AD and the Lakers hope another star.

[shackles10]

KGtabake KG said he didn’t want to play here before the deal was made. Then we made the Ray deal and he agreed to it. Because he saw he could win a ring and he’d wasted enough of his career. The only thing not comparable to AD is their exact age at the time. AD hasn’t named suitors but has said he wants to win and that’s most important. We also know he’s talked to KG and this decision to say he won’t resign is his way of saying he doesn’t want to be KG at 31 years old seeing his window close with not only no rings but little to no chances at rings. Anything else is you interpreting what you think is written on the wall same as it is for me. The importance of the timing of this news, who his agent is, and how much of the KG situation translates is all stuff we don’t know for sure the impact. If he’s here in 6 months, smiling for pics with a resigned Kyrie it doesn’t mean necessarily the things we’re disccusing today should have been interpreted differently. If a year later he’s resigning his own deal it doesn’t mean that either. It only means things are fluid. One thing that shouldn’t be up for debate though is Ainge has enourmous testicular fortitude.

[albas89]

Call me crazy, but I would rather keep Brown+Smart than Tatum and trade everyone else. Tatum might become a superstar at some point, but we would already be set with Kyrie and AD in that matter. As we have seen this year quite evidently, it's not always great to have too much talent.

Brown+Smart+Davis can make you an all-time great defensive team for years to come imho.

[shackles10]

Call me crazy, but I would rather keep Brown+Smart than Tatum and trade everyone else. Tatum might become a superstar at some point, but we would already be set with Kyrie and AD in that matter. As we have seen this year quite evidently, it's not always great to have too much talent.

Brown+Smart+Davis can make you an all-time great defensive team for years to come imho.

Agreed, at least to the degree of knowing we have to give up something of value and I’d offer up Tatum before the combo of Brown AND Smart. Depth will still be a priority but I also think you get more redundancy in acquiring AD if you still have Tatum compared to the other two. Tatum is the greater talent no question, but roster construction wise I agree.