2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (III)

nolang1 · Post #81 » by **nolang1** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:50 am

bondom34 wrote:
nolang1 wrote:
bondom34 wrote:No, they can't. Over half of them can't.

Yes, they can. They shoot well enough that they have to be defended, and then when defended some of them shoot a low enough percentage that you arbitrarily declare they can't shoot at all, which had nothing to do with any of the posts you replied to.

Anyone can be defended. I said they can;t shoot them.

8 Cs make 1 or more per game, not most. And of them shoot 31%

Now do the math and see what a player would have to shoot from midrange to score as many points as a 31% three-point shooter, and then check to see how many players actually shoot that well from that distance. It's still a shot you have to guard.

Post #82 » by **bondom34** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:53 am

nolang1 wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
nolang1 wrote:
Yes, they can. They shoot well enough that they have to be defended, and then when defended some of them shoot a low enough percentage that you arbitrarily declare they can't shoot at all, which had nothing to do with any of the posts you replied to.

Anyone can be defended. I said they can;t shoot them.

8 Cs make 1 or more per game, not most. And of them shoot 31%

Now do the math and see what a player would have to shoot from midrange to score as many points as a 31% three-point shooter, and then check to see how many players actually shoot that well from that distance. It's still a shot you have to guard.

Oh for the love of...

That's not what I even said. Read my first post. Nothing in it was incorrect. Edited to add: Russell Westbrook is shooting about 25 percent from 3...but he's shooting them so I guess he counts too then. I said most Cs cannot shoot 3s. Because they can't reliably. They either are bad at it or do so at very low volume, you keep telling me about something I'm not even talking about.

nolang1 · Post #83 » by **nolang1** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:54 am

bondom34 wrote:
nolang1 wrote:
bondom34 wrote:Anyone can be defended. I said they can;t shoot them.

8 Cs make 1 or more per game, not most. And of them shoot 31%

Now do the math and see what a player would have to shoot from midrange to score as many points as a 31% three-point shooter, and then check to see how many players actually shoot that well from that distance. It's still a shot you have to guard.

Oh for the love of...

That's not what I even said. Read my first post. Nothing in it was incorrect.

And nothing in it was relevant to what was being discussed. You just turned it into a pissing contest. Like all your responses come 2 seconds after mine and are rife with typos and misspellings. Put down the bottle and get to bed.

Post #84 » by **bondom34** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:55 am

nolang1 wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
nolang1 wrote:
Now do the math and see what a player would have to shoot from midrange to score as many points as a 31% three-point shooter, and then check to see how many players actually shoot that well from that distance. It's still a shot you have to guard.

Oh for the love of...

That's not what I even said. Read my first post. Nothing in it was incorrect.

And nothing in it was relevant to what was being discussed. You just turned it into a pissing contest.

Because I wasn't even replying to you then you decided to reply to me to tell me I was wrong for saying something that wasn't wrong and not even directed at you. I didn't turn it into a thing

Golden Knight · Post #85 » by **Golden Knight** » Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:28 am

Am i still in the rookie thread?

ChaosHamster · Post #86 » by **ChaosHamster** » Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:29 am

Golden Knight wrote:Am i still in the rookie thread?

Does your rookie shoot threes?

Post #87 » by **Duke4life831** » Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:01 am

The Bagley being a bust talk from before the season isnt looking to good right now. That dude can flat out ball. Once he gets his 3pt shot down, watch out. The quickness, explosiveness, motor and size combo is just something no one else can match.

Giles is playing a lot better as well. Sac looks like they have found their front court for the future.

kane0801 · Post #88 » by **kane0801** » Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:06 am

JJJ is still foul prone every game,smh

Post #89 » by **Duke4life831** » Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:07 am

kane0801 wrote:JJJ is still foul prone every game,smh

That and rebounding were his 2 biggest question marks. I also questioned how consistent his 3 was going to be with that funky form. But ya 5.3 fouls per 36 and 6.5 rebounds per 36 are definitely the two areas he needs to work on the most. Super talented kid though.

life_saver · Post #90 » by **life_saver** » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:10 am

JJJ looks worse than KAT when it comes to foul trouble...both of them are top of the league this season when it comes to Personal Fouls...JJJ is No1 with 198 and KAT is 2nd with 192.

nolang1 · Post #91 » by **nolang1** » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:20 am

upriser7 wrote:JJJ looks worse than KAT when it comes to foul trouble...both of them are top of the league this season when it comes to Personal Fouls...JJJ is No1 with 198 and KAT is 2nd with 192.

Not coincidentally, the type of people who base their prospect evaluation on looking at players' box plus-minus thought of both players as multiple DPOY type of defensive prospects and hand-waved concerns about their foul rate.

Post #92 » by **Dirk** » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:45 am

The don't try this at home pass aka no no no ... yes yes yes pass.

Gfycat Video - Click to Play

Johnny Firpo · Post #93 » by **Johnny Firpo** » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:50 am

Some of these passes are completely ridiculous, and that's NOT an overstatement.

IllmaticHandler · Post #94 » by **IllmaticHandler** » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:06 am

Duke4life831 wrote:The Bagley being a bust talk from before the season isnt looking to good right now. That dude can flat out ball. Once he gets his 3pt shot down, watch out. The quickness, explosiveness, motor and size combo is just something no one else can match.

Giles is playing a lot better as well. Sac looks like they have found their front court for the future.

Most of that garbage was really because he did not get playing time. He was the only top rookie not starting. Bagley was always going to produce. His Motor is to elite for him not to.

That Boy Bags has been on a TEAR. His Upside is SPOOKY.

Read on Twitter

Among qualified American rookies, No. 35 ranks in the top-five in numerous categories, including field-goal percentage (52.7 percent – first), rebounds (6.4 per game – second), points (12.7 per game – fourth), points in the paint (8.2 – second) and fouls drawn (3.5 – second).

One of the most NBA-ready players in a strong Draft class, Bagley has scored in double-figures in 25 of his 34 appearances.

Over the last decade, Bagley is the fifth rookie to average at least 25 points, 12 rebounds and two blocks per 100 possessions (min. 15 minutes per game), joining All-Stars Anthony Davis, Karl-Anthony Towns, Kristaps Porzingis and Joel Embiid. Since 1973-74, he and Davis are the only two to do so before age 20.

Golden Knight · Post #95 » by **Golden Knight** » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:07 am

Always love this GIFs. Thanks Dirk!

The direction of his passes especially to the corner 3 is very deceiving. His vision and creativity helped by the tremendous roll job by Powell, DJ etc puts a ton of pressure on the defense.

ellobo · Post #96 » by **ellobo** » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:48 am

IllmaticHandler wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:The Bagley being a bust talk from before the season isnt looking to good right now. That dude can flat out ball. Once he gets his 3pt shot down, watch out. The quickness, explosiveness, motor and size combo is just something no one else can match.

Giles is playing a lot better as well. Sac looks like they have found their front court for the future.

Most of that garbage was really because he did not get playing time. He was the only top rookie not starting. Bagley was always going to produce. His Motor is to elite for him not to.

That Boy Bags has been on a TEAR. His Upside is SPOOKY.

Read on Twitter

Among qualified American rookies, No. 35 ranks in the top-five in numerous categories, including field-goal percentage (52.7 percent – first), rebounds (6.4 per game – second), points (12.7 per game – fourth), points in the paint (8.2 – second) and fouls drawn (3.5 – second).

One of the most NBA-ready players in a strong Draft class, Bagley has scored in double-figures in 25 of his 34 appearances.

Over the last decade, Bagley is the fifth rookie to average at least 25 points, 12 rebounds and two blocks per 100 possessions (min. 15 minutes per game), joining All-Stars Anthony Davis, Karl-Anthony Towns, Kristaps Porzingis and Joel Embiid. Since 1973-74, he and Davis are the only two to do so before age 20.

Wait, I'm confused.

Are we back to discussing rookies again? I thought this was the stupid-ass unrelated argument thread.

Bagley's been looking really good. His summer league performance was scary (in a bad way), but he's showing that his strengths are translating.

P.S. to Kevin Huerter:
Don't let Bagley go left!

Archx · Post #97 » by **Archx** » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:04 pm

Johnny Firpo wrote:Some of these passes are completely ridiculous, and that's NOT an overstatement.

After years of watching Luka i must say i rarely see him play so casually as he did last night vs NYK. Looked like he wasn't even trying and yet the passes he is able to make out of double teams, you just ask yourself how the hell does he find the opening.

And i was surprised NYK doubled him and covered him like it was a playoff game, yet they let DSJ and others operate at free will lol. DSJ even recorded a triple double and DAJ had a couple of completely free baskets.

Paradise · Post #98 » by **Paradise** » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:10 pm

Dzanan Musa has returned from a dislocated shoulder.

20 Points, 8 Assists, 4 Rebounds.

Watch on YouTube

Johnny Firpo · Post #99 » by **Johnny Firpo** » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:38 pm

Paradise wrote:Dzanan Musa has returned from a dislocated shoulder.

20 Points, 8 Assists, 4 Rebounds.

Watch on YouTube

Good stuff, I'm very high on the kid and think he has good upside. Hopefully next year he'll have a rotation role.

Pachinko_ · Post #100 » by **Pachinko_** » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:47 pm

IllmaticHandler wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:The Bagley being a bust talk from before the season isnt looking to good right now. That dude can flat out ball. Once he gets his 3pt shot down, watch out. The quickness, explosiveness, motor and size combo is just something no one else can match.

Giles is playing a lot better as well. Sac looks like they have found their front court for the future.

Most of that garbage was really because he did not get playing time. He was the only top rookie not starting. Bagley was always going to produce. His Motor is to elite for him not to.

That Boy Bags has been on a TEAR. His Upside is SPOOKY.

Read on Twitter

Among qualified American rookies, No. 35 ranks in the top-five in numerous categories, including field-goal percentage (52.7 percent – first), rebounds (6.4 per game – second), points (12.7 per game – fourth), points in the paint (8.2 – second) and fouls drawn (3.5 – second).

One of the most NBA-ready players in a strong Draft class, Bagley has scored in double-figures in 25 of his 34 appearances.

Over the last decade, Bagley is the fifth rookie to average at least 25 points, 12 rebounds and two blocks per 100 possessions (min. 15 minutes per game), joining All-Stars Anthony Davis, Karl-Anthony Towns, Kristaps Porzingis and Joel Embiid. Since 1973-74, he and Davis are the only two to do so before age 20.

This clip reminded me of young Giannis. Including the fall in the end