Anthony Davis Requests Trade, pt 2

[Andrew McCeltic]

Rozier/Morris for TJ Warren and the MIL pick? We can always bring Morris back for the MLE, or partial MLE...

It is unique that we're in the position to offer 3-4 first-round picks in a single draft plus 1-2 more after that. New Orleans could potentially start their rebuild/reload with two lottery picks (theirs and Sacramento's) and two more rookie-scale players (LAC and BOS 1sts), plus maybe a MEM pick that could be unprotected in the 2021 draft, getting hyped right now as deep. By itself - leaving out salary matching and players - that's a haul.

[dean456]

From an outside perspective these are the issues I can see Boston facing in getting this deal done outside of Davis likely already deciding he wants to be in LA.

- The age of your players and the length left on their contracts in comparrison the LA players.

(after this season when both Boston and LA are able to trade for Davis.)

Tatum 21yo, 2yrs - Kuzma 24yo, 3yrs
Brown 22yo, 1yrs - Ball 21yo, 3yrs (turning 22)
Rozier 25yo, 0yrs - Ingram 21yo, 2yrs (turning 22)
Smart 25yo, 3yrs - Zubac 21yo, 0yrs (turning 22 cheap resign)

- Your reluctance to part with Tatum, which is understandable. LA might be unwilling to part with Kuzma but if it comes down to it I think they will buckle.

- The fact that resigning Brown and Rozier will cost the Pelicans quite a bit almost immediately. Not giving them much time to evaluate them outside of your system compared to the Lakers young players. This would give me reason to pause because Avery Bradley looked pretty good before he was sent to Detroit/Clippers his production has declined considerably since exiting your system. Also to a lesser extent Thomas did too but he was injured so I'd be willing to overlook that give that, but its still something to consider in how much value you put into Rozier who is due to be re-signed immidiately.

My ranking of the avaliable players right now would be.

1. Tatum - Youngest, most skilled already and still has room for improvement.

2. Kuzma - Perfect player at PF for todays game, plays hard every game.

3. Ingram - Still has a lot of potential, can score on any player

4. Brown - good 2 way player hasn't shown enough to say he's a good first option

5. Ball - suprisingly good defensively, still raw offensively but has the tools to maximise potential.

6. Smart - hard nosed player, plays hard every night, inconsistent shooter

7. Rozier - Good defender, solid all around skills, would probably rank higher on this list if Irving wasnt there. Makes it hard to judge who Rozier could really be. Plus his play has declined since Kyrie's return even though his minutes are not that different.

8. Zubac - Big body, nice touch around the rim, solid rebounder, not enough time on the court to see who he could really be.

On any given day Ball, Smart and Rozier's position could change but the fact is Kuzma and Ingram's value is higher today than Brown's who would be the headliner in your deal if you held Tatum out.

The money of the contracts for all players involved works in the Lakers favor.

I just think LA have more in their favor to make New Orleans ultimately choose them despite what they've done to force this trade to happen.

[Cornbread]

From an outside perspective these are the issues I can see Boston facing in getting this deal done.

- The age of your players and the length left on their contracts in comparrison the LA players.

(after this season when both Boston and LA are able to trade for Davis.)

Tatum 21yo, 2yrs - Kuzma 24yo, 3yrs
Brown 22yo, 1yrs - Ball 21yo, 3yrs (turning 22)
Rozier 25yo, 0yrs - Ingram 21yo, 2yrs (turning 22)
Smart 25yo, 3yrs - Zubac 21yo, 0yrs (turning 22 cheap resign)

- Your reluctance to part with Tatum, which is understandable. LA might be unwilling to part with Kuzma but if it comes down to it I think they will buckle.

- The fact that resigning Brown and Rozier will cost the Pelicans quite a bit almost immediately. Not giving them much time to evaluate them outside of your system compared to the Lakers young players. This would give me reason to pause because Avery Bradley looked pretty good before he was sent to Detroit/Clippers his production has declined considerably since exiting your system. Also to a lesser extent Thomas did too but he was injured so I'd be willing to overlook that give that, but its still something to consider in how much value you put into Rozier who is due to be re-signed immidiately.

My ranking of the avaliable players right now would be.

1. Tatum - Youngest, most skilled already and still has room for improvement.

2. Kuzma - Perfect player at PF for todays game, plays hard every game.

3. Ingram - Still has a lot of potential, can score on any player

4. Brown - good 2 way player hasn't shown enough to say he's a good first option

5. Ball - suprisingly good defensively, still raw offensively but has the tools to maximise potential.

6. Smart - hard nosed player, plays hard every night, inconsistent shooter

7. Rozier - Good defender, solid all around skills, would probably rank higher on this list if Irving wasnt there. Makes it hard to judge who Rozier could really be. Plus his play has declined since Kyrie's return even though his minutes are not that different.

8. Zubac - Big body, nice touch around the rim, solid rebounder, not enough time on the court to see who he could really be.

On any given day Ball, Smart and Rozier's position could change but the fact is Kuzma and Ingram's value is higher today than Brown's who would be the headliner in your deal if you held Tatum out.

I just think LA have more in their favor to make New Orleans ultimately choose them despite what they've done to force this trade to happen.

Your years left comparisons are wrong.

Ball, Kuzma and Tatum have the same contractual control.

Brown and Ingram have the same contractual control.
Brown

[Homerclease]

Google last year’s playoffs.

Guess Giannis isn’t an MVP candidate either

Giannis is the 1st seed currently. The roster is better than anything Davis has had though. Still, I mantain my position that bigs, despite how good they can be, don't impact winning that much compared to wings.

Right, but would you not have wanted Giannis at any point until this season?

[dean456]

From an outside perspective these are the issues I can see Boston facing in getting this deal done.

- The age of your players and the length left on their contracts in comparrison the LA players.

(after this season when both Boston and LA are able to trade for Davis.)

Tatum 21yo, 2yrs - Kuzma 24yo, 3yrs
Brown 22yo, 1yrs - Ball 21yo, 3yrs (turning 22)
Rozier 25yo, 0yrs - Ingram 21yo, 2yrs (turning 22)
Smart 25yo, 3yrs - Zubac 21yo, 0yrs (turning 22 cheap resign)

- Your reluctance to part with Tatum, which is understandable. LA might be unwilling to part with Kuzma but if it comes down to it I think they will buckle.

- The fact that resigning Brown and Rozier will cost the Pelicans quite a bit almost immediately. Not giving them much time to evaluate them outside of your system compared to the Lakers young players. This would give me reason to pause because Avery Bradley looked pretty good before he was sent to Detroit/Clippers his production has declined considerably since exiting your system. Also to a lesser extent Thomas did too but he was injured so I'd be willing to overlook that give that, but its still something to consider in how much value you put into Rozier who is due to be re-signed immidiately.

My ranking of the avaliable players right now would be.

1. Tatum - Youngest, most skilled already and still has room for improvement.

2. Kuzma - Perfect player at PF for todays game, plays hard every game.

3. Ingram - Still has a lot of potential, can score on any player

4. Brown - good 2 way player hasn't shown enough to say he's a good first option

5. Ball - suprisingly good defensively, still raw offensively but has the tools to maximise potential.

6. Smart - hard nosed player, plays hard every night, inconsistent shooter

7. Rozier - Good defender, solid all around skills, would probably rank higher on this list if Irving wasnt there. Makes it hard to judge who Rozier could really be. Plus his play has declined since Kyrie's return even though his minutes are not that different.

8. Zubac - Big body, nice touch around the rim, solid rebounder, not enough time on the court to see who he could really be.

On any given day Ball, Smart and Rozier's position could change but the fact is Kuzma and Ingram's value is higher today than Brown's who would be the headliner in your deal if you held Tatum out.

I just think LA have more in their favor to make New Orleans ultimately choose them despite what they've done to force this trade to happen.

Your years left comparisons are wrong.

Ball, Kuzma and Tatum have the same contractual control.

Brown and Ingram have the same contractual control.
Brown

Your right my bad used the wrong site as a reference. They showed it as being different for whatever reason.

So its

Tatum 3yrs - Kuzma 3yrs
Smart 3yrs - Ball 3yrs
Brown 2yrs - Ingram 2yrs
Rozier 1yrs - Zubac 0yrs
Heart 3yrs

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

As I was driving home from work yesterday (-58 degrees here btw), I was listening to SiriusXM NBA radio. Some bitter Lakers fan called in to demand that the league file a tampering investigation against Greg Popovich for calling Dell Demps and telling him not to give in to the demands of the Lakers. Lol

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

From a Pels board insider. Dunno if he's reliable, but the other posters treat him like we treat reload, so he sounds legit.

I am just going to throw them all in here. Things are about to go into lock down mode and I don't think I will get any more intel for a while. I only have one great source, but even another insider I know said his sources were getting quiet as well. Apparently the shite ESPN said really spooked a lot of people inside. Pissed them off but also has them reflecting on things and some changes will be made moving forward.

Anyway, sounds like the odds of getting an official AD deal done is very small. But they are negotiating with Boston, and there is a chance that both teams can agree on a framework before the deadline. The issue is contingencies. What happens if the teams agree but then unforeseen things happen - Tatum suffers a massive injury or Sacramento pick jumps up to #2 instead of the expected 12-14? Or the Knicks get the top pick and offer it to the Pels in late May?

Neither team can fully trust the other, neither could they control everything between now and May. But they are still working together and its very possible they can have a framework done by the 7th. And from there, Boston would get to decide what happens with Davis for the rest of the season. If they say they don't want him to play, he won't.

[Marley2Hendrix]

From a Pels board insider. Dunno if he's reliable, but the other posters treat him like we treat reload, so he sounds legit.

I am just going to throw them all in here. Things are about to go into lock down mode and I don't think I will get any more intel for a while. I only have one great source, but even another insider I know said his sources were getting quiet as well. Apparently the shite ESPN said really spooked a lot of people inside. Pissed them off but also has them reflecting on things and some changes will be made moving forward.

Anyway, sounds like the odds of getting an official AD deal done is very small. But they are negotiating with Boston, and there is a chance that both teams can agree on a framework before the deadline. The issue is contingencies. What happens if the teams agree but then unforeseen things happen - Tatum suffers a massive injury or Sacramento pick jumps up to #2 instead of the expected 12-14? Or the Knicks get the top pick and offer it to the Pels in late May?

Neither team can fully trust the other, neither could they control everything between now and May. But they are still working together and its very possible they can have a framework done by the 7th. And from there, Boston would get to decide what happens with Davis for the rest of the season. If they say they don't want him to play, he won't.

[ViperGTS]

From a Pels board insider. Dunno if he's reliable, but the other posters treat him like we treat reload, so he sounds legit.

I am just going to throw them all in here. Things are about to go into lock down mode and I don't think I will get any more intel for a while. I only have one great source, but even another insider I know said his sources were getting quiet as well. Apparently the shite ESPN said really spooked a lot of people inside. Pissed them off but also has them reflecting on things and some changes will be made moving forward.

Anyway, sounds like the odds of getting an official AD deal done is very small. But they are negotiating with Boston, and there is a chance that both teams can agree on a framework before the deadline. The issue is contingencies. What happens if the teams agree but then unforeseen things happen - Tatum suffers a massive injury or Sacramento pick jumps up to #2 instead of the expected 12-14? Or the Knicks get the top pick and offer it to the Pels in late May?

Neither team can fully trust the other, neither could they control everything between now and May. But they are still working together and its very possible they can have a framework done by the 7th. And from there, Boston would get to decide what happens with Davis for the rest of the season. If they say they don't want him to play, he won't.

I call BS. What if this team lights off, makes the Finals...beats whomever. You aren’t blowing that up.

That dude is FoS.

[FlatearthZorro]

The Lakers prospects aren’t bad, but what’s happened when they’ve ran the show? Last year they were in the lottery and this year they’ve dropped from 4th to 9th. The stats aren’t great from anyone and even the decent stats are rather empty and not translating to wins. Last year Tatum, Brown, and Rozier were the 3 main scoring options on a team that had a 4th quarter lead against a similarly talented LeBron James led Cavs team. Demps isn’t great at his job but do we really think he isn’t aware of this? Then we move on to the picks like what we can offer is even comparable to the Lakers offering their own picks from a team that would then include Lebron/AD and the Lakers hope another star.

Of course he ain't blind and he will till the summer. No need for him to bid against his own team by just dealing with the Lakers. Truth is that not only we can offer more in the summer, but there might be other teams interested that can give more than LAL. So Davis is probably not going anywhere this summer. He's under contract for a year and a half and they decide what to do with him.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Eh. One problem is that given the players we'll have under contract on July 1st, it's going to have to be something like Smart/Tatum/Yabusele/pick(s) - which means Jaylen becomes the starting 2, Hayward the 3, and Danny can keep his weird man crush Terry Rozier to come off the bench for too much money and underachieve.

Kyrie/Rozier
Jaylen/FA
Hayward/Ojeleye
Davis/(Morris?)/(Theis?)
Horford/(Baynes?)/Williams

Even if Horford renegotiates 10 million off his salary, that just balances out Kyrie's pay raise - which means we're raising our cap number to keep Rozier and/or Morris and/or Theis, and then Jaylen is due for an extension or restricted free agency..

It's workable - it makes us older - I'd rather see something with a Rozier sign and trade, Tatum, and Yabu - hope enough gets clarified that we can make other deals now - because letting Rozier and Morris walk for nothing would be a mistake.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Call me crazy, but I would rather keep Brown+Smart than Tatum and trade everyone else. Tatum might become a superstar at some point, but we would already be set with Kyrie and AD in that matter. As we have seen this year quite evidently, it's not always great to have too much talent.

Brown+Smart+Davis can make you an all-time great defensive team for years to come imho.

My entire goal in this trade would be to keep Brown and Smart.

Tatum is our single best asset and the Pel’s will get him, but Im hopeful we can flood them with picks and keep Brown+Smart.

My offer would be Tatum, Hayward and 4 to 5 firsts for AD and Solomon Hill. Im guessing it’s enough.

[greenroom31]

From a Pels board insider. Dunno if he's reliable, but the other posters treat him like we treat reload, so he sounds legit.

I call BS. What if this team lights off, makes the Finals...beats whomever. You aren’t blowing that up.

That dude is FoS.

If you read his post he specifically states: "the odds of getting an official AD deal done is very small." He then goes on to note that while they are negotiating with Boston and the teams might agree to the framework of a deal there are contingencies, such as injuries, draft picks ending up in different places than expected, or if the Celtics were to make the finals, etc. as you mentioned.

Given that he said the odds are low and addressed the contingencies, I'm not sure why you feel the need to attack him.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

From a Pels board insider. Dunno if he's reliable, but the other posters treat him like we treat reload, so he sounds legit.

I call BS. What if this team lights off, makes the Finals...beats whomever. You aren’t blowing that up.

That dude is FoS.

Makes the Finals......beats whomever? Sounds like you're the one FoS here. Sorry.

[ConstableGeneva]

From a Pels board insider. Dunno if he's reliable, but the other posters treat him like we treat reload, so he sounds legit.

I am just going to throw them all in here. Things are about to go into lock down mode and I don't think I will get any more intel for a while. I only have one great source, but even another insider I know said his sources were getting quiet as well. Apparently the shite ESPN said really spooked a lot of people inside. Pissed them off but also has them reflecting on things and some changes will be made moving forward.

Anyway, sounds like the odds of getting an official AD deal done is very small. But they are negotiating with Boston, and there is a chance that both teams can agree on a framework before the deadline. The issue is contingencies. What happens if the teams agree but then unforeseen things happen - Tatum suffers a massive injury or Sacramento pick jumps up to #2 instead of the expected 12-14? Or the Knicks get the top pick and offer it to the Pels in late May?

Neither team can fully trust the other, neither could they control everything between now and May. But they are still working together and its very possible they can have a framework done by the 7th. And from there, Boston would get to decide what happens with Davis for the rest of the season. If they say they don't want him to play, he won't.

I had to use Jack.

[3D Chess]

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[ConstableGeneva]

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Did anyone catch the interview? Did he say what jersey number Davis will wear (since #23 is retired for Frank Ramsey)?

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Danny is trolling the Lakers....or perhaps he's still negotiating and using the threat of Kyrie leaving as leverage? Lol.

[3D Chess]

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[jcappy]

[color=#0040FF][color=#408000][color=#4080FF]It's 99% assumed in these discussions that Davis' value comes automatically. That he is above human. Yet, in this his sixth NBA season has suffered and been sidelined by 30 separate injuries. I'm not sure, but I believe Tatum has played every single game this season, and is 5 years younger. And Tatum is only a small part of the cost for Davis, who may be with us for only one year. [/color][/color][/color]