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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade, pt 2 

Post#441 » by GoCeltics123 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:40 pm

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“As the NBA trade deadline looms within a week, the Lakers' immediate pursuit of All-Star forward Anthony Davis is fraught with innumerable obstacles -- including the fact that Pelicans general manager Dell Demps has yet to return a call to Lakers GM Rob Pelinka, league sources told ESPN.

The sluggish response time is perhaps a message that New Orleans places some responsibility onto the Lakers for Davis' trade request, or perhaps an indication to Davis and his agent Rich Paul of Klutch Sports that the franchise doesn't plan to easily acquiesce on a trade request to partner with LeBron James.

As of now, the Pelicans see no reason to deliver Davis to the Lakers in a deal with a full season left on his contract -- never mind do it on a timeline that benefits mostly the objectives of Los Angeles and Davis.”

“New Orleans officials are prepared to play the long game on Davis' future, embarking on an uncomfortable, if not combative process that could extend months beyond next Thursday's trade deadline.

From Paul George to Leonard to Davis, the Lakers front office is growing accustomed to icy receptions from teams enduring All-Star trade demands with a full year left on their contracts.

When Spurs GM RC Buford finally called back Pelinka after Leonard's springtime trade request, the Lakers were left with an unmistakable impression: Buford and Gregg Popovich would never send Leonard to Los Angeles -- no matter what the Lakers offered. The Spurs always denied any absolute "no Lakers" stance, arguing the Lakers' package never captivated them.”

“Teams interested in trading for Davis -- including the Boston Celtics -- are in full fact-finding mode and the intel coming back is this, sources tell ESPN: Davis' plan is to treat any trade destination as a one-year stop -- except, of course, the Lakers. Teams are learning that Davis' stated intention will be to play the season elsewhere if traded outside of the Lakers, but move to the Lakers as a free agent in 2020.”

The stance of Davis and his camp toward Boston is linked to their view of Kyrie Irving's future, sources said. Davis and his camp no longer believe that Irving is a sure bet to re-sign with the Celtics this summer, and that's the primary reason they insist on clumping Boston with a similar message to the 28 other teams: Buyer beware on a trade for Davis.

Boston is remaining outwardly fearless in its pursuit of Davis, with word delivered to New Orleans: Hold onto Davis past the trade deadline, get into the offseason and we're armed to give you the best possible return on this generational talent. Boston remains confident in Irving re-signing, even if they don't acquire Davis before free agency. (AHEM TO 90% OF THIS BOARD) But whatever happens between now and then, whatever issues might threaten to topple Irving's preseason commitment to an extension, the Celtics believe the acquisition of Davis will soothe them all. Boston believes this: Getting Davis probably clinches an Irving commitment.

“For now, the Celtics are unconvinced that Davis would be willing to walk out on a championship core with Boston for the Lakers. Boston's done a tremendous amount of research on Davis, especially intense in the past 18 months, league sources said.
The Pelicans are aware the Celtics are preparing a massive offer for Davis if he remains on their roster past the trade deadline.

The most pressing question for Boston is whether they could acquire Davis without including Jayson Tatum in the deal. If the Celtics get the chance, Boston will be able to offer any or all of: Jaylen Brown, Gordon Hayward, Marcus Smart, Terry Rozier (though Rozier would have to agree to a sign-and-trade, raising thorny cap complications), their own first-round picks, Sacramento's first-round pick, a Memphis future first-round pick (top-eight protected this season, top-six protected in 2020, and unprotected in 2021) and a lottery-protected LA Clippers first-rounder that converts to a 2022 second-round pick if the Clippers miss the playoffs both this season and next.

Above all else, Boston wants to keep Tatum. Going forward with a Big Three of Irving-Davis-Tatum -- and filling in the gaps around them as needed -- is probably their ideal scenario. If Boston feels it is necessary to hold off any Lakers coup, they can tell the Pelicans they will likely include Tatum in Davis trade talks in July.

As long as ominous backchannel warnings don't give Ainge pause, the Celtics believe they could convince Davis to stay long-term, clinching Irving's future in New England.

Still, there are scenarios that concern Boston. For instance, the Celtics could disappoint in the postseason. The Knicks could win the draft lottery, and enter the offseason with the one trade asset that tops Tatum: the NBA draft's No. 1 pick, and the chance to select Duke's Zion Williamson.

If that isn't enough, the Knicks could add Kevin Knox to their offer and hope that acquiring Davis would entice a second star free agent to join him. Irving would be on their short list of such players, and the Knicks armed with Davis and enough cap room for Irving, stand as one the only Irving threats that would unnerve Boston.”
“New York will be unlikely to include Kristaps Porzingis in any Davis trade package once the trade deadline passes.
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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade, pt 2 

Post#442 » by SmartWentCrazy » Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:46 pm

Banks2Pierce wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25892346/new-orleans-pelicans-gm-dell-demps-returned-call-los-angeles-lakers-gm-anthony-davis

Davis doing the whole "I'll be a rental to anyone but LA" thing.

Demps literally not calling back Pelinka.


Davis hedged strong: he currently groups out Boston because he’s unsure if Kyrie will be there long term.

Translation: if you trade for me and Kyrie stays, i’ll stay. If not, I want the Lakers.

The biggest scare from the article was the Knicks sub-plot— basically, if they win the lotto they are aiming for a Kyrie-AD-KP trio. Seems like LA is trying for a Kyrie-AD-LeBron trio, too. Looks like Kyrie and AD will be a package deal this summer.
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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade, pt 2 

Post#443 » by Jakeopp » Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:47 pm

Trading major assets for a guy who can walk in one season is a good way to end up with nothing, but at the same time I'd be shocked if AD didn't sign an extension after playing here for a year. Him and Kyrie are supposedly friends. LeBron will be like 35-36 by the time he's a free agent, Irving's age lines up much better with his own. He'll see far more success in one season in Boston than he's seen in his whole career.
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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade, pt 2 

Post#444 » by Jakeopp » Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:50 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Banks2Pierce wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25892346/new-orleans-pelicans-gm-dell-demps-returned-call-los-angeles-lakers-gm-anthony-davis

Davis doing the whole "I'll be a rental to anyone but LA" thing.

Demps literally not calling back Pelinka.


Davis hedged strong: he currently groups out Boston because he’s unsure if Kyrie will be there long term.

Translation: if you trade for me and Kyrie stays, i’ll stay. If not, I want the Lakers.

The biggest scare from the article was the Knicks sub-plot— basically, if they win the lotto they are aiming for a Kyrie-AD-KP trio. Seems like LA is trying for a Kyrie-AD-LeBron trio, too. Looks like Kyrie and AD will be a package deal this summer.

Kyrie isn't joining LeBron again lol
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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade, pt 2 

Post#445 » by greenroom31 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:56 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Banks2Pierce wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25892346/new-orleans-pelicans-gm-dell-demps-returned-call-los-angeles-lakers-gm-anthony-davis

Davis doing the whole "I'll be a rental to anyone but LA" thing.

Demps literally not calling back Pelinka.


Davis hedged strong: he currently groups out Boston because he’s unsure if Kyrie will be there long term.

Translation: if you trade for me and Kyrie stays, i’ll stay. If not, I want the Lakers.

The biggest scare from the article was the Knicks sub-plot— basically, if they win the lotto they are aiming for a Kyrie-AD-KP trio. Seems like LA is trying for a Kyrie-AD-LeBron trio, too. Looks like Kyrie and AD will be a package deal this summer.


Maybe I'm a sap, but I was at the season ticketholder event at the start of the season when Kyrie got up during the interview with Scal (Horford and Hayward were also being interviewed as a pseudo panel), walked to the middle of the floor and told the fans that he is re-signing here if Boston will have him. Being there in person, it was a big deal -- sincere, heartfelt and unsolicited. He didn't have to say a word about his future.

I buy into the whole connection to the city through his Dad and wanting to be in Boston despite some ups and downs this year. I also don't believe in the "because he called LeBron that means he wants to go play with him again" storyline. To me that's just a guy paying respect to a former teammate and saying I understand now what you were trying to do back then.

So while I may eat these words, I still put Kyrie re-signing at 90%, with or without AD.
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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade, pt 2 

Post#446 » by Captain_Caveman » Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:56 pm

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He also is married to his high school sweetheart.

With multiple infidelities in between

https://brobible.com/sports/article/instagram-model-exposes-lebron-james/


They are all like that.
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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade, pt 2 

Post#447 » by fallguy » Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:56 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Banks2Pierce wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25892346/new-orleans-pelicans-gm-dell-demps-returned-call-los-angeles-lakers-gm-anthony-davis

Davis doing the whole "I'll be a rental to anyone but LA" thing.

Demps literally not calling back Pelinka.


Davis hedged strong: he currently groups out Boston because he’s unsure if Kyrie will be there long term.

Translation: if you trade for me and Kyrie stays, i’ll stay. If not, I want the Lakers.

The biggest scare from the article was the Knicks sub-plot— basically, if they win the lotto they are aiming for a Kyrie-AD-KP trio. Seems like LA is trying for a Kyrie-AD-LeBron trio, too. Looks like Kyrie and AD will be a package deal this summer.


We are going to have some AWESOME lottery conspiracy posts here this spring.
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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade, pt 2 

Post#448 » by SmartWentCrazy » Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:58 pm

I think Id peg the odds for AD as follows:

Boston: 80%
NY: 14%
LA: 5%
TOR: 1%
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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade, pt 2 

Post#449 » by Captain_Caveman » Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:58 pm

Roddy wrote:
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Interesting. Willing and essentially. Not exactly here, take what you want. I bet AD goes for far less than everyone thinks he will as does every single player ever traded.


Agree. Just like Cousins to Pels, George to OKC or even Kawhi.

Pels need to deal him or he will leave for nothing. I doubt that Danny will put a huge offer on the table.


It's AD. They will get their bidding war.
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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade, pt 2 

Post#450 » by Banks2Pierce » Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:58 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:Davis hedged strong: he currently groups out Boston because he’s unsure if Kyrie will be there long term.

Translation: if you trade for me and Kyrie stays, i’ll stay. If not, I want the Lakers.


Yeah, totally read that the same way. Made me oddly confident despite the broader story of him pulling a 1 team only thing.
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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade, pt 2 

Post#451 » by truth18 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:00 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:I think Id peg the odds for AD as follows:

Boston: 80%
NY: 14%
LA: 5%
TOR: 1%


Boston: 60%

LAL: 30%

TOR: 10%

NY: 0%
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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade, pt 2 

Post#452 » by Fencer reregistered » Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:00 pm

Captain_Caveman wrote:
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LarryBirdsFingr wrote:With multiple infidelities in between

https://brobible.com/sports/article/instagram-model-exposes-lebron-james/


They are all like that.


With a few exceptions, most famously A. C. Green.
Probably Doug Christie too, at least after a certain point.
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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade, pt 2 

Post#453 » by Captain_Caveman » Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:01 pm

Andrew McCeltic wrote:We'll see what we do with Rozier and Morris before the deadline.. but if Davis stays put through Feb. 7th, the only "game-changers" left would be Sacramento jumping into the top 3, Sacramento making the playoffs, the Lakers missing the playoffs and jumping into the top 3, or Memphis winding up with a top 5 pick and offering it to us for a small consideration in order to fulfill the pick debt.


Interesting. If that Memphis picks comes in 5-7, perhaps they would deal it to us for our future Grizz pick.
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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade, pt 2 

Post#454 » by djFan71 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:03 pm

Andrew McCeltic wrote:Rozier/Morris for TJ Warren and the MIL pick? We can always bring Morris back for the MLE, or partial MLE...

It is unique that we're in the position to offer 3-4 first-round picks in a single draft plus 1-2 more after that. New Orleans could potentially start their rebuild/reload with two lottery picks (theirs and Sacramento's) and two more rookie-scale players (LAC and BOS 1sts), plus maybe a MEM pick that could be unprotected in the 2021 draft, getting hyped right now as deep. By itself - leaving out salary matching and players - that's a haul.

I like the thought process, but I don't think PHO does that. Rozier as an RFA for a guy signed to a good contract AND a pick? I don't think they do it without the pick even. An option I thought of along those lines was Morris/Rozier/Bird for Avery Bradley. Helps LAC stay in the playoffs, gets us $12M in salary for next year.

But, i don't love that either. I'm leaning towards offering the full taxpayer MLE to a buyout to get $5.6M additional salary. We keep RFA on Terry, bird on Morris, and it's enough salary to keep Smart out or any deal fairly easily.
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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade, pt 2 

Post#455 » by truth18 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:04 pm

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They are all like that.


With a few exceptions, most famously A. C. Green.
Probably Doug Christie too, at least after a certain point.


Yeah, the dude's wife weighs his nuts. Christie family sounds interesting to say the least.
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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade, pt 2 

Post#456 » by Captain_Caveman » Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:05 pm

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albas89 wrote:Call me crazy, but I would rather keep Brown+Smart than Tatum and trade everyone else. Tatum might become a superstar at some point, but we would already be set with Kyrie and AD in that matter. As we have seen this year quite evidently, it's not always great to have too much talent.

Brown+Smart+Davis can make you an all-time great defensive team for years to come imho.


Agreed, at least to the degree of knowing we have to give up something of value and I’d offer up Tatum before the combo of Brown AND Smart. Depth will still be a priority but I also think you get more redundancy in acquiring AD if you still have Tatum compared to the other two. Tatum is the greater talent no question, but roster construction wise I agree.


Question is more which one of Smart or Jaylen do you package with Tatum and picks?

Given the salaries, It is almost certainly Smart.
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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade, pt 2 

Post#457 » by GoCeltics123 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:06 pm

truth18 wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:I think Id peg the odds for AD as follows:

Boston: 80%
NY: 14%
LA: 5%
TOR: 1%


Boston: 60%

LAL: 30%

TOR: 10%

NY: 0%

Zion Williamson is the best prospect to come out in a long time. Do not sleep on the New York Knicks here.

BOS: 55% (goes up to 65% if past the deadline)

NYK: 20% (goes up to 30% if past the deadline, a lot higher if they get the #1 pick)

LAL: 15% (goes down to 5% if past deadline)

TOR: 10% (goes down to 0% if past deadline)
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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade, pt 2 

Post#458 » by Captain_Caveman » Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:07 pm

dean456 wrote:From an outside perspective these are the issues I can see Boston facing in getting this deal done outside of Davis likely already deciding he wants to be in LA.

- The age of your players and the length left on their contracts in comparrison the LA players.

(after this season when both Boston and LA are able to trade for Davis.)

Tatum 21yo, 2yrs - Kuzma 24yo, 3yrs
Brown 22yo, 1yrs - Ball 21yo, 3yrs (turning 22)
Rozier 25yo, 0yrs - Ingram 21yo, 2yrs (turning 22)
Smart 25yo, 3yrs - Zubac 21yo, 0yrs (turning 22 cheap resign)

- Your reluctance to part with Tatum, which is understandable. LA might be unwilling to part with Kuzma but if it comes down to it I think they will buckle.

- The fact that resigning Brown and Rozier will cost the Pelicans quite a bit almost immediately. Not giving them much time to evaluate them outside of your system compared to the Lakers young players. This would give me reason to pause because Avery Bradley looked pretty good before he was sent to Detroit/Clippers his production has declined considerably since exiting your system. Also to a lesser extent Thomas did too but he was injured so I'd be willing to overlook that give that, but its still something to consider in how much value you put into Rozier who is due to be re-signed immidiately.

My ranking of the avaliable players right now would be.

1. Tatum - Youngest, most skilled already and still has room for improvement.

2. Kuzma - Perfect player at PF for todays game, plays hard every game.

3. Ingram - Still has a lot of potential, can score on any player

4. Brown - good 2 way player hasn't shown enough to say he's a good first option

5. Ball - suprisingly good defensively, still raw offensively but has the tools to maximise potential.

6. Smart - hard nosed player, plays hard every night, inconsistent shooter

7. Rozier - Good defender, solid all around skills, would probably rank higher on this list if Irving wasnt there. Makes it hard to judge who Rozier could really be. Plus his play has declined since Kyrie's return even though his minutes are not that different.

8. Zubac - Big body, nice touch around the rim, solid rebounder, not enough time on the court to see who he could really be.

On any given day Ball, Smart and Rozier's position could change but the fact is Kuzma and Ingram's value is higher today than Brown's who would be the headliner in your deal if you held Tatum out.

The money of the contracts for all players involved works in the Lakers favor.

I just think LA have more in their favor to make New Orleans ultimately choose them despite what they've done to force this trade to happen.


Tatum has a big lead at #1, in a league where quality > quantity. We also have picks up the wazoo. I don't think Lakers will even finish top 3-4 in a bidding war this summer. None of their prospects move the needle at all.
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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade, pt 2 

Post#459 » by Stadium5 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:08 pm

I see AD telling everyone that he will only resign with the Lakers, and therefore Tatum wont be invovled in any package. Lakers will prob still end up with AD

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Re: Anthony Davis Requests Trade, pt 2 

Post#460 » by truth18 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:09 pm

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