2019 - 2021 Free-Agents

Ranma · Post #261 » by **Ranma** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:57 am

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Ranma · Post #262 » by **Ranma** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:58 pm

As I mentioned in my previous post, Tobias would be a tremendous trade chip if he had signed the extension the Clippers offered him, but now he's an impending free agent. His Bird Rights might be appealing but it's going to take the full max for New Orleans to sign him, however, he could sign something close to that with a 4-year max offer as an UFA. Still, that extra year granted to him with Bird Rights and slight increase in escalated salary might be enough to convince Tobias to stay in New Orleans if they were willing to offer him the full 5-year max.

The problem is that the Pelicans is a mismanaged franchise even without Demps. They're owned by the NFL's Saints owner who utilizes football medical staff to treat its NBA players and New Orleans is a bigger football town than basketball one, all of which I'm sure frustrated Anthony Davis into leaving.

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Clippers
Heat
Nets

All three of these teams play in glamour markets, though they are not created equal. The Clippers have the combination of young talent, valuable players in their prime (hello Tobias Harris), and upcoming available cap space to make any star consider joining the franchise. The key for Los Angeles is gauging whether Davis would be interested in facing LeBron James four times a year rather than teaming up with him.

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Galloisdaman · Post #263 » by **Galloisdaman** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:51 pm

I think many teams should be going almost all in for AD but I do not know why he is leaving. Why not try to build a winner where you are? I think they have a decent nucleus with AD, Jrue, and Randle. I would not hesitate to offer 2-4 draft picks. So many draft picks turn in to ordinary players or busts.

Ranma · Post #264 » by **Ranma** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:59 pm

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Ranma · Post #265 » by **Ranma** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:12 pm

Galloisdaman wrote:I think many teams should be going almost all in for AD but I do not know why he is leaving. Why not try to build a winner where you are? I think they have a decent nucleus with AD, Jrue, and Randle. I would not hesitate to offer 2-4 draft picks. So many draft picks turn in to ordinary players or busts.

You need to look into the New Orleans Pelicans' situation more. As I mentioned in my previous post, the Pelicans are a mismanaged franchise. This thread even referenced a tweeted article earlier this month about had badly run that franchise is. This ineptitdue goes beyond even the incompetent GM Dell Demps. Their owner also owns an NFL team and prioritizes football over basketball to the point where he employs NFL medical staff to work on NBA players, which might explain their difficulties in dealing with injuries.

While I don't appreciate the way he's gone about orchestrating his exit, Anthony Davis has been more than patient given that the franchise failed to build a competent team around him since drafting him. In fact, the Charlotte Hornets have had a better record since his draft year despite drafting behind the Pelicans during that particular draft class. The stadium is regularly half-empty as the town also seems to prioritize football over basketball, but that's a problem that reinforces itself given how bad the basketball prodcut has been.

The Pelicans are one of the worst run franchises in the NBA from their initial scary logo design to their misguided organizational direction.

Galloisdaman · Post #266 » by **Galloisdaman** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:53 pm

Ranma wrote:
Galloisdaman wrote:I think many teams should be going almost all in for AD but I do not know why he is leaving. Why not try to build a winner where you are? I think they have a decent nucleus with AD, Jrue, and Randle. I would not hesitate to offer 2-4 draft picks. So many draft picks turn in to ordinary players or busts.

You need to look into the New Orleans Pelicans' situation more. As I mentioned in my previous post, the Pelicans are a mismanaged franchise. This thread even referenced a tweeted article earlier this month about had badly run that franchise is. This ineptitdue goes beyond even the incompetent GM Dell Demps. Their owner also owns an NFL team and prioritizes football over basketball to the point where he employs NFL medical staff to work on NBA players, which might explain their difficulties in dealing with injuries.

While I don't appreciate the way he's gone about orchestrating his exit, Anthony Davis has been more than patient given that the franchise failed to build a competent team around him since drafting him. In fact, the Charlotte Hornets have had a better record since his draft year despite drafting behind the Pelicans during that particular draft class. The stadium is regularly half-empty as the town also seems to prioritize football over basketball, but that's a problem that reinforces itself given how bad the basketball prodcut has been.

The Pelicans are one of the worst run franchises in the NBA from their initial scary logo design to their misguided organizational direction.

I understand. I do not view AD leaving like Lebrons frequent musical chairs. If I like my teammates I would be tempted to stay and push for a better GM/Coach. I said a better GM but I actually like their talent. I think their team should be winning more. The Saints were losers for decades. Many people remember the "aints" and the paper bag wearing fans. Now NO loves the Saints. Could become the same for the Pelicans although I would start with a new name. I do not even like their name.
Now if AD is determined to move I think the Clips need to go for it. Nobody spoke about Trez but maybe he would be included. Maybe Tobias. Maybe Gallo. Maybe SGA. Nobody should be off limits if the Clippers have a chance to get AD.

wco81 · Post #267 » by **wco81** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:40 pm

Lowest attendance in the league.

There are conspiracy theories that the NBA promised them the top pick of the 2012 draft which turned into AD.

Benson completed the purchase just before that 2012 draft.

But it's a huge football city, state and region. Kids in the South aspire to become NFL players. Only a fraction of them want to be MLB or NBA players.

It would make all kinds of sense to move that club to Seattle or some other appreciative market.

Galloisdaman · Post #268 » by **Galloisdaman** » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:12 am

wco81 wrote:Lowest attendance in the league.

There are conspiracy theories that the NBA promised them the top pick of the 2012 draft which turned into AD.

Benson completed the purchase just before that 2012 draft.

But it's a huge football city, state and region. Kids in the South aspire to become NFL players. Only a fraction of them want to be MLB or NBA players.

It would make all kinds of sense to move that club to Seattle or some other appreciative market.

I know of Tom Benson pretty well. Used to buy cars from his dealerships. I think he died around a year ago.

donemilio21 · Post #269 » by **donemilio21** » Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:30 am

We have to have a solid plan in 2019 free agency if are to unload half of our team to land AD. Pelicans have him now, and we are better team than they are.
There is no point trading for a player, if all we can do is sign scrubs to surround him. Look at Lakers. They got Lebron, but all they have around him was some young rotation players, and they were able to sign washed up players like Rondo, Lance, McGee, etc..

Ranma · Post #270 » by **Ranma** » Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:10 am

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Post #272 » by **QRich3** » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:28 am

Think for a minute what's the best offer we can field, regardless of if we should or not, just the best we could offer them if we let them choose anything, it'd look something like this:

Tobi + Gallo + Trez + Lou + Shai + Jerome + unprotected 1st round picks in 2022 and 2024
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AD + Solomon Hill + fillers (say Clark, Frazier, Miller and Wes Johnson to a 3rd team with 2nd rounders paid by us)

That offer doesn't even come close to the Celtics offering something around Tatum and the Memphis and Sacramento picks, or the Knicks offering Porzingis and their pick, or the 76ers offering Simmons and the Miami pick, or the Nuggets offering something around Murray and Harris, or the Raptors offering something around Siakam, OG and picks, or the Bulls offering Marakannen and their pick, it's not even better than the Lakers pu pu platter of mediocre youth.

We just don't have the assets to get a call back, just can't even get in this conversation. Maybe if Tobias had accepted that $80M extension we could've done something around him if the Pels were going for the Paul George type of package. But with him as an expiring, there's just nothing to do from our side.

Galloisdaman · Post #273 » by **Galloisdaman** » Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:27 pm

donemilio21 wrote:We have to have a solid plan in 2019 free agency if are to unload half of our team to land AD. Pelicans have him now, and we are better team than they are.
There is no point trading for a player, if all we can do is sign scrubs to surround him. Look at Lakers. They got Lebron, but all they have around him was some young rotation players, and they were able to sign washed up players like Rondo, Lance, McGee, etc..

I understand your point but 2 things come to mind.

1. A bird in the hand.....How many superstars have signed with the Clippers as UFA?

2. How many bigs are there in the NBA that are like AD? When will be the next chance to get one?

esqtvd · Post #274 » by **esqtvd** » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:08 pm

QRich3 wrote:Think for a minute what's the best offer we can field, regardless of if we should or not, just the best we could offer them if we let them choose anything, it'd look something like this:

Tobi + Gallo + Trez + Lou + Shai + Jerome + unprotected 1st round picks in 2022 and 2024
for
AD + Solomon Hill + fillers (say Clark, Frazier, Miller and Wes Johnson to a 3rd team with 2nd rounders paid by us)

That offer doesn't even come close to the Celtics offering something around Tatum and the Memphis and Sacramento picks, or the Knicks offering Porzingis and their pick, or the 76ers offering Simmons and the Miami pick, or the Nuggets offering something around Murray and Harris, or the Raptors offering something around Siakam, OG and picks, or the Bulls offering Marakannen and their pick, it's not even better than the Lakers pu pu platter of mediocre youth.

We just don't have the assets to get a call back, just can't even get in this conversation. Maybe if Tobias had accepted that $80M extension we could've done something around him if the Pels were going for the Paul George type of package. But with him as an expiring, there's just nothing to do from our side.

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Ranma · Post #275 » by **Ranma** » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:58 pm

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Ranma · Post #276 » by **Ranma** » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:12 pm

I'd still roll the dice and trade for Anthony Davis. The Knicks now have a decent shot at uniting Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant. The Clippers are the favorites for Kawhi Leonard. I'm sure Boston isn't going to concede having AD go to the Lakers early and neither should we.

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Galloisdaman · Post #277 » by **Galloisdaman** » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:27 pm

They said that Paul George was only going to stay in OKC for 1 year before signing with the Lakers. That never came to be so AD might stay as well.

Galloisdaman · Post #278 » by **Galloisdaman** » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:29 pm

If Lonzo Ball is under contract he should be happy to have a job anywhere in the NBA with all the circus issues his dad has brought. He is not in a place to be demanding what team he goes to at this point in my opinion. His production is not superstar level...maybe not even starter level.

Ranma · Post #279 » by **Ranma** » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:10 pm

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wco81 · Post #280 » by **wco81** » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:42 pm

Well Knicks now have two max contract salary slots.

All these teams with cap space.

How many of the free agents are worth $35 million + per year?

Who will be a member of the Clippers this summer?