2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (III)

[Ball4life32]

Trae Young in January:
18.7 ppg/7.6 apg in 30.6 MPG with a .577 TS%.

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[VCfor3]

JJJ had a rough game last night but it is pretty understandable. He had food poisoning and they didn't think he was going to play until right before the game.

[Dacost]

JJJ foul trouble is hurting him ...you can't put up stats if your not playing .

We keep forgetting that he is just 19 alot of this rookies especially Luka have the mentally of vets.JJJ on the other hand is not there yet especially mentally.

He needs to grow up.

[GoodBehavior]

The Bagley being a bust talk from before the season isnt looking to good right now. That dude can flat out ball. Once he gets his 3pt shot down, watch out. The quickness, explosiveness, motor and size combo is just something no one else can match.

Giles is playing a lot better as well. Sac looks like they have found their front court for the future.

I don't think anyone thought Bagley would be a bust (outside a few who overreacted to his SL performance), I think the general feeling was that he should have been drafted behind Luka and possibly JJJ/Young. Question marks around him have always been around fit. It's probably why he's not the starter despite his talent.

Giles' jump shot looks really nice. If he can stretch it to the 3, I don't think Bagley needs to develop one. They work well together. I would like to see how they fare against a bigger lineup before making them a duo. Hawks' frontline isn't a real test. Giles need to rebound better. Potential for the duo is there for sure, nevertheless. Hard not to root for the two, extremely likeable guys.

[KokoKaizer]

Trae Young in January:
18.7 ppg/7.6 apg in 30.6 MPG with a .577 TS%.

Watch on YouTube

Some great plays (that deep nothing but net three )

But half of his dimes are not assist by any mean. Just in NBA I Guess (nothing against him ! )

[Duke4life831]

The Bagley being a bust talk from before the season isnt looking to good right now. That dude can flat out ball. Once he gets his 3pt shot down, watch out. The quickness, explosiveness, motor and size combo is just something no one else can match.

Giles is playing a lot better as well. Sac looks like they have found their front court for the future.

I don't think anyone thought Bagley would be a bust (outside a few who overreacted to his SL performance), I think the general feeling was that he should have been drafted behind Luka and possibly JJJ/Young. Question marks around him have always been around fit. It's probably why he's not the starter despite his talent.

Giles' jump shot looks really nice. If he can stretch it to the 3, I don't think Bagley needs to develop one. They work well together. I would like to see how they fare against a bigger lineup before making them a duo. Hawks' frontline isn't a real test. Giles need to rebound better. Potential for the duo is there for sure, nevertheless. Hard not to root for the two, extremely likeable guys.

I would go look at the draft thread. Before/During/After the draft, the majority of posts talking about Bagley were talking about how he is overrated and going to bust. This then magnified during SL.

Bagley definitely needs to develop a 3. He is much closer to developing a 3 than Giles. But a 3pt shot would really open up his game, since no bigs can stay in front of him if they have to guard him out to the 3pt line.

[kg01]

Trae Young in January:
18.7 ppg/7.6 apg in 30.6 MPG with a .577 TS%.

Watch on YouTube

Some great plays (that deep nothing but net three )

But half of his dimes are not assist by any mean. Just in NBA I Guess (nothing against him ! )

Ah c'mon, man. Well, I take that back. If you're gonna do that, make sure you do it for every other player in the league too.

But, between you and me, I did see a few o' those and think, "Uhm, dude caught the ball, spun and dribbled like 13 times. How's that an assist?"

Let's put that on the NBA, not on Young specifically.

Also, as an aside, how 'bout some love for Bembry at the 2:08 mark? He yamm'd that on Bagley nicely.

[KokoKaizer]

Trae Young in January:
18.7 ppg/7.6 apg in 30.6 MPG with a .577 TS%.

Watch on YouTube

Some great plays (that deep nothing but net three )

But half of his dimes are not assist by any mean. Just in NBA I Guess (nothing against him ! )

Ah c'mon, man. Well, I take that back. If you're gonna do that, make sure you do it for every other player in the league too.

But, between you and me, I did see a few o' those and think, "Uhm, dude caught the ball, spun and dribbled like 13 times. How's that an assist?"

Let's put that on the NBA, not on Young specifically.

Also, as an aside, how 'bout some love for Bembry at the 2:08 mark? He yamm'd that on Bagley nicely.

That's why I said nothing against him

I can say this about Westbrook, Curry, Lebron, etc...

[kg01]

Some great plays (that deep nothing but net three )

But half of his dimes are not assist by any mean. Just in NBA I Guess (nothing against him ! )

Ah c'mon, man. Well, I take that back. If you're gonna do that, make sure you do it for every other player in the league too.

But, between you and me, I did see a few o' those and think, "Uhm, dude caught the ball, spun and dribbled like 13 times. How's that an assist?"

Let's put that on the NBA, not on Young specifically.

Also, as an aside, how 'bout some love for Bembry at the 2:08 mark? He yamm'd that on Bagley nicely.

That's why I said nothing against him

I can say this about Westbrook, Curry, Lebron, etc...

Yeah, I know. And, if I'm hearing you right, you're saying Young is in a class with Westbrook, Curry and Lebron? Geez. That's high praise, friend.

[KokoKaizer]

Ah c'mon, man. Well, I take that back. If you're gonna do that, make sure you do it for every other player in the league too.

But, between you and me, I did see a few o' those and think, "Uhm, dude caught the ball, spun and dribbled like 13 times. How's that an assist?"

Let's put that on the NBA, not on Young specifically.

Also, as an aside, how 'bout some love for Bembry at the 2:08 mark? He yamm'd that on Bagley nicely.

That's why I said nothing against him

I can say this about Westbrook, Curry, Lebron, etc...

Yeah, I know. And, if I'm hearing you right, you're saying Young is in a class with Westbrook, Curry and Lebron? Geez. That's high praise, friend.

[GoodBehavior]

The Bagley being a bust talk from before the season isnt looking to good right now. That dude can flat out ball. Once he gets his 3pt shot down, watch out. The quickness, explosiveness, motor and size combo is just something no one else can match.

Giles is playing a lot better as well. Sac looks like they have found their front court for the future.

I don't think anyone thought Bagley would be a bust (outside a few who overreacted to his SL performance), I think the general feeling was that he should have been drafted behind Luka and possibly JJJ/Young. Question marks around him have always been around fit. It's probably why he's not the starter despite his talent.

Giles' jump shot looks really nice. If he can stretch it to the 3, I don't think Bagley needs to develop one. They work well together. I would like to see how they fare against a bigger lineup before making them a duo. Hawks' frontline isn't a real test. Giles need to rebound better. Potential for the duo is there for sure, nevertheless. Hard not to root for the two, extremely likeable guys.

I would go look at the draft thread. Before/During/After the draft, the majority of posts talking about Bagley were talking about how he is overrated and going to bust. This then magnified during SL.

Bagley definitely needs to develop a 3. He is much closer to developing a 3 than Giles. But a 3pt shot would really open up his game, since no bigs can stay in front of him if they have to guard him out to the 3pt line.

On the draft board, you always going to find people taking the opposite view. Plenty, and I mean plenty, of people thought Trae, Luka, Ayton, and Bamba were going to be busts. On the flip side, a fair amount of people were supportive of Bagley. Remember, Marvin was running neck and neck with Ayton throughout the entire process. The separation only occur after the SL performance. After the SL performance it was more apathy than "bust." People didn't care enough about him. They still don't largely to Luka.

Most of the negative takes on Marvin are around defense and shooting. That's doesn't seem too harsh to me.

[E-Balla]

I don't think anyone thought Bagley would be a bust (outside a few who overreacted to his SL performance), I think the general feeling was that he should have been drafted behind Luka and possibly JJJ/Young. Question marks around him have always been around fit. It's probably why he's not the starter despite his talent.

Giles' jump shot looks really nice. If he can stretch it to the 3, I don't think Bagley needs to develop one. They work well together. I would like to see how they fare against a bigger lineup before making them a duo. Hawks' frontline isn't a real test. Giles need to rebound better. Potential for the duo is there for sure, nevertheless. Hard not to root for the two, extremely likeable guys.

I would go look at the draft thread. Before/During/After the draft, the majority of posts talking about Bagley were talking about how he is overrated and going to bust. This then magnified during SL.

Bagley definitely needs to develop a 3. He is much closer to developing a 3 than Giles. But a 3pt shot would really open up his game, since no bigs can stay in front of him if they have to guard him out to the 3pt line.

On the draft board, you always going to find people taking the opposite view. Plenty, and I mean plenty, of people thought Trae, Luka, Ayton, and Bamba were going to be busts. On the flip side, a fair amount of people were supportive of Bagley. Remember, Marvin was running neck and neck with Ayton throughout the entire process. The separation only occur after the SL performance. After the SL performance it was more apathy than "bust." People didn't care enough about him. They still don't largely to Luka.

Most of the negative takes on Marvin are around defense and shooting. That's doesn't seem too harsh to me.

You really need to go back to those threads. People were comparing him to Faried. Short arms, no jumper, didn't block shots, at a certain point if you did a poll here most would've said he wasn't a future all star. It was overwhelmingly negative around here when Bagley was the topic.

[anish23]

shouldn't this thread just be stopped. or we can talk about ROY for next year.

[audiosway]

shouldn't this thread just be stopped. or we can talk about ROY for next year.

That's what I was thinking. Is there even a discussion for ROY? One word...Doncic.

[GoodBehavior]

I would go look at the draft thread. Before/During/After the draft, the majority of posts talking about Bagley were talking about how he is overrated and going to bust. This then magnified during SL.

Bagley definitely needs to develop a 3. He is much closer to developing a 3 than Giles. But a 3pt shot would really open up his game, since no bigs can stay in front of him if they have to guard him out to the 3pt line.

On the draft board, you always going to find people taking the opposite view. Plenty, and I mean plenty, of people thought Trae, Luka, Ayton, and Bamba were going to be busts. On the flip side, a fair amount of people were supportive of Bagley. Remember, Marvin was running neck and neck with Ayton throughout the entire process. The separation only occur after the SL performance. After the SL performance it was more apathy than "bust." People didn't care enough about him. They still don't largely to Luka.

Most of the negative takes on Marvin are around defense and shooting. That's doesn't seem too harsh to me.

You really need to go back to those threads. People were comparing him to Faried. Short arms, no jumper, didn't block shots, at a certain point if you did a poll here most would've said he wasn't a future all star. It was overwhelmingly negative around here when Bagley was the topic.

People were comparing Marvin to Amare, Bosh, and Griffin, as well. You also forget that plenty of people thought Luka wasn't athletic enough for the next level, Ayton as the next Okafor, Jared as fools good, Trae as too small, Mo as too uncoordinated, etc. Marvin was thought to have highest floor because of his motor, as well.

His SL performance skewed everything. Prior to the SL, he was top 3 on literally every single board. He was penciled in as #3 behind Luka. Very few people had Jared or Wendell ahead of him. It's only after the SL, when people started not caring about him.

There was a poll here on whether people would take him or Ayton. Ayton won the poll but it was close one...

[Dacost]

Roy is a joke guys like Simmons/Donic with way more experience are winning it.They other guys have no chance.

[Duke4life831]

No doubt Doncic has been great. But its not like he is the only rookie that is worth being talked about. Ya he has ROY locked up, doesnt mean we cant talk about the other rookies that look very promising.

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[KingDavid]

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I'm happy for him. I was worried earlier in the year, but I was absolutely correct about me just shutting the hell up and watching him and other rookies grow. Outstanding month of basketball.

[BoogieTime]

I love Trae. Not sure what was funny about him saying he can be better than Doncic in 5-10 years..