Woj Smoke (not yet bomb): Dallas escalating to find a trade for DSJ (Orlando/Phoenix engages in talks)

[Jiwol]

Kape Kabongo he’s a 6’3” 205lb PG from the Congo. He’s averaging a 30-15-4-5 with the Magic in 2k19 MyCareer.

Seems legit.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Kape Kabongo he’s a 6’3” 205lb PG from the Congo. He’s averaging a 30-15-4-5 with the Magic in 2k19 MyCareer.

Seems legit.

[pepe1991]

Kape Kabongo he’s a 6’3” 205lb PG from the Congo. He’s averaging a 30-15-4-5 with the Magic in 2k19 MyCareer.

Seems legit.

Lukusa Myck KABONGO actually exists and plays basketball ,maybe Kape is his unboarn child.
I'm starting to worry he won't be part of 2030 championship

[Skin]

Kinda reminds me of the Eric Bledsoe situation where we discussed the rumor with all kinds of hopes and were hoping our GM would eventually pay the price to get him only to get heartbroken to find out the Bucks got him and it only took an expiring contract of Greg Monroe.

But but... Hammond is OUR GM now... Let's go bro!

[OrlandO]

Kinda reminds me of the Eric Bledsoe situation where we discussed the rumor with all kinds of hopes and were hoping our GM would eventually pay the price to get him only to get heartbroken to find out the Bucks got him and it only took an expiring contract of Greg Monroe.

But but... Hammond is OUR GM now... Let's go bro!

The Bucks traded for Bledsoe after Hammond left...

OUR GM is the one who signed Monroe to a 3 year 50 million (max for him) deal, traded for and re-signed the crappier of the Plumlee bros to a 4 year 52 million deal the next year and then traded for Spencer Hawes and Roy Hibbert the year after that... he did trade for former rookie of the year PG MCW though, so there's that.

[UCFJayBird]

Kinda reminds me of the Eric Bledsoe situation where we discussed the rumor with all kinds of hopes and were hoping our GM would eventually pay the price to get him only to get heartbroken to find out the Bucks got him and it only took an expiring contract of Greg Monroe.

But but... Hammond is OUR GM now... Let's go bro!

The Bucks traded for Bledsoe after Hammond left...

OUR GM is the one who signed Monroe to a 3 year 50 million (max for him) deal, traded for and re-signed the crappier of the Plumlee bros to a 4 year 52 million deal the next year and then traded for Spencer Hawes and Roy Hibbert the year after that... he did trade for former rookie of the year PG MCW though, so there's that.

[Skin]

Kinda reminds me of the Eric Bledsoe situation where we discussed the rumor with all kinds of hopes and were hoping our GM would eventually pay the price to get him only to get heartbroken to find out the Bucks got him and it only took an expiring contract of Greg Monroe.

But but... Hammond is OUR GM now... Let's go bro!

The Bucks traded for Bledsoe after Hammond left...

OUR GM is the one who signed Monroe to a 3 year 50 million (max for him) deal, traded for and re-signed the crappier of the Plumlee bros to a 4 year 52 million deal the next year and then traded for Spencer Hawes and Roy Hibbert the year after that... he did trade for former rookie of the year PG MCW though, so there's that.

This explains A LOT.

Life as a Magic fan sucks.

[pepe1991]

Kinda reminds me of the Eric Bledsoe situation where we discussed the rumor with all kinds of hopes and were hoping our GM would eventually pay the price to get him only to get heartbroken to find out the Bucks got him and it only took an expiring contract of Greg Monroe.

But but... Hammond is OUR GM now... Let's go bro!

The Bucks traded for Bledsoe after Hammond left...

OUR GM is the one who signed Monroe to a 3 year 50 million (max for him) deal, traded for and re-signed the crappier of the Plumlee bros to a 4 year 52 million deal the next year and then traded for Spencer Hawes and Roy Hibbert the year after that... he did trade for former rookie of the year PG MCW though, so there's that.

To make even less sense, despite throwing money at Cs all the time he drafted: Giannis,Maker and Henson
Luckly for him Giannis ended up being more of a perimeter/ballhandler but still..

[Skin]

This has got to be among the worst GM'ing jobs in the history of the NBA. These retreads are so scared of repeating history that they don't even make any move at all. This is pathetic.

[woosah]

We need a scorer at any position from 1-3. It doesn’t have to be a PG. DJ is more of a scoring minded PG and how many times do people complain about his lack of vision.

PG just needs to be able to shoot the 3, defend well, and have great court vision.

Our star player, regardless of position, needs to be able to create off the perimeter for themselves and others at any point.

Who exactly is this pg who has all these and is available or could be possibly had by trade?

Available now? Most of those names will likely be older and not fit a long term window, but Lin and Collison are likely available. Spurs want a wing, so Derrick White might be attainable if we make the right offer. DSJ may not be a ‘great’ passer but he’s still good and can run an offense.

In the summer Rubio will be available (he’s not a 3pt bomber but his shot is back up to respectable). Depending on what happens with AD, JRue might become available. Pat Beverly is like 2/3 of those requirements. And if you have an elite playmaker at another position then playmaking isn’t as integral.

Then there’s the projects like Fultz, who could tick all boxes if he gets his head sorted out. And Ntilikina, who can’t shoot nor really run an offense, but he was the league’s best PnR defender last season which makes him interesting to say the least.

There have been questions about DSJ running an offense and his iq. Rubio isn't a great defender. Jrue would be great but really plays better off ball, but can do it. That gives us very few real options. Most don't have all 3 "requirements". We can't list qualities and then get upset when we don't get it, when the player we are looking for doesn't really exist. We have to pick from what is available.

[Audi]

Kinda reminds me of the Eric Bledsoe situation where we discussed the rumor with all kinds of hopes and were hoping our GM would eventually pay the price to get him only to get heartbroken to find out the Bucks got him and it only took an expiring contract of Greg Monroe.

But but... Hammond is OUR GM now... Let's go bro!

The Bucks traded for Bledsoe after Hammond left...

OUR GM is the one who signed Monroe to a 3 year 50 million (max for him) deal, traded for and re-signed the crappier of the Plumlee bros to a 4 year 52 million deal the next year and then traded for Spencer Hawes and Roy Hibbert the year after that... he did trade for former rookie of the year PG MCW though, so there's that.

Almost spit out my coffee

[tiderulz]

Who exactly is this pg who has all these and is available or could be possibly had by trade?

Available now? Most of those names will likely be older and not fit a long term window, but Lin and Collison are likely available. Spurs want a wing, so Derrick White might be attainable if we make the right offer. DSJ may not be a ‘great’ passer but he’s still good and can run an offense.

In the summer Rubio will be available (he’s not a 3pt bomber but his shot is back up to respectable). Depending on what happens with AD, JRue might become available. Pat Beverly is like 2/3 of those requirements. And if you have an elite playmaker at another position then playmaking isn’t as integral.

Then there’s the projects like Fultz, who could tick all boxes if he gets his head sorted out. And Ntilikina, who can’t shoot nor really run an offense, but he was the league’s best PnR defender last season which makes him interesting to say the least.

There have been questions about DSJ running an offense and his iq. Rubio isn't a great defender. Jrue would be great but really plays better off ball, but can do it. That gives us very few real options. Most don't have all 3 "requirements". We can't list qualities and then get upset when we don't get it, when the player we are looking for doesn't really exist. We have to pick from what is available.

are there? he put up 18 ppg, 6 apg (tied for 10th in nation and ahead of Fultz) in college in the ACC (generally recognized as the best basketball conference).

[woosah]

Available now? Most of those names will likely be older and not fit a long term window, but Lin and Collison are likely available. Spurs want a wing, so Derrick White might be attainable if we make the right offer. DSJ may not be a ‘great’ passer but he’s still good and can run an offense.

In the summer Rubio will be available (he’s not a 3pt bomber but his shot is back up to respectable). Depending on what happens with AD, JRue might become available. Pat Beverly is like 2/3 of those requirements. And if you have an elite playmaker at another position then playmaking isn’t as integral.

Then there’s the projects like Fultz, who could tick all boxes if he gets his head sorted out. And Ntilikina, who can’t shoot nor really run an offense, but he was the league’s best PnR defender last season which makes him interesting to say the least.

There have been questions about DSJ running an offense and his iq. Rubio isn't a great defender. Jrue would be great but really plays better off ball, but can do it. That gives us very few real options. Most don't have all 3 "requirements". We can't list qualities and then get upset when we don't get it, when the player we are looking for doesn't really exist. We have to pick from what is available.

are there? he put up 18 ppg, 6 apg (tied for 10th in nation and ahead of Fultz) in college in the ACC (generally recognized as the best basketball conference).

yes some of their fans say it (Dallas fans NBA, not guy playing on bad college team getting stats)

[BadHombre]

Who exactly is this pg who has all these and is available or could be possibly had by trade?

Available now? Most of those names will likely be older and not fit a long term window, but Lin and Collison are likely available. Spurs want a wing, so Derrick White might be attainable if we make the right offer. DSJ may not be a ‘great’ passer but he’s still good and can run an offense.

In the summer Rubio will be available (he’s not a 3pt bomber but his shot is back up to respectable). Depending on what happens with AD, JRue might become available. Pat Beverly is like 2/3 of those requirements. And if you have an elite playmaker at another position then playmaking isn’t as integral.

Then there’s the projects like Fultz, who could tick all boxes if he gets his head sorted out. And Ntilikina, who can’t shoot nor really run an offense, but he was the league’s best PnR defender last season which makes him interesting to say the least.

There have been questions about DSJ running an offense and his iq. Rubio isn't a great defender. Jrue would be great but really plays better off ball, but can do it. That gives us very few real options. Most don't have all 3 "requirements". We can't list qualities and then get upset when we don't get it, when the player we are looking for doesn't really exist. We have to pick from what is available.

I’m not upset about availabilities or lack of. I even mentioned that depending on who your star playmaker is, you could get away with a PG who’s only capable of 2/3 of those. But those requirements aren’t a limiting bar for any starting caliber PG. it just becomes a subjective matter of how ‘good’ or ‘great’ people think a player is at any of those.

My original point was mostly about the notion that our PG should be our primary scorer. He can be, but it’s not a necessity.

[woosah]

Available now? Most of those names will likely be older and not fit a long term window, but Lin and Collison are likely available. Spurs want a wing, so Derrick White might be attainable if we make the right offer. DSJ may not be a ‘great’ passer but he’s still good and can run an offense.

In the summer Rubio will be available (he’s not a 3pt bomber but his shot is back up to respectable). Depending on what happens with AD, JRue might become available. Pat Beverly is like 2/3 of those requirements. And if you have an elite playmaker at another position then playmaking isn’t as integral.

Then there’s the projects like Fultz, who could tick all boxes if he gets his head sorted out. And Ntilikina, who can’t shoot nor really run an offense, but he was the league’s best PnR defender last season which makes him interesting to say the least.

There have been questions about DSJ running an offense and his iq. Rubio isn't a great defender. Jrue would be great but really plays better off ball, but can do it. That gives us very few real options. Most don't have all 3 "requirements". We can't list qualities and then get upset when we don't get it, when the player we are looking for doesn't really exist. We have to pick from what is available.

I’m not upset about availabilities or lack of. I even mentioned that depending on who your star playmaker is, you could get away with a PG who’s only capable of 2/3 of those. But those requirements aren’t a limiting bar for any starting caliber PG. it just becomes a subjective matter of how ‘good’ or ‘great’ people think a player is at any of those.

My original point was mostly about the notion that our PG should be our primary scorer. He can be, but it’s not a necessity.

Yes i was speaking generally when saying we, as in we magic fans when we rant about not having "a good pg" over the last x years. This includes me although i was not as critical of Payton. Yes you are right though, we need every dang thing at every position really lol.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Time to lock this up boys

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[Def Swami]

Should have just drafted him in 2017.

[Nemesis21]

Wow

[ChosenSavior]

Man Mark Cuban and Donnie Nelson Jr. are making moves in Dallas. That was an excellent gamble to acquire Porzingis like they did. Now that Dennis Smith Jr. is a Knick, I am going to go ahead and lock this thread up. Our unattractive assets did not give us a chance to make this happen unfortunately. The Spec thread along with the trade idea thread will be the ones to visit now for any other rumors regarding the Magic doing something at the trade deadline.