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2019 NBA Draft Prep

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What direction should Hawks go with their lottery picks?

Sekou Doumbouya
19
18%
Coby White
4
4%
Jaxson Hayes
9
9%
Nassir Little
5
5%
Cam Reddish
35
34%
Bol Bol
14
14%
Brandon Clarke
10
10%
Trade the picks
7
7%
 
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#841 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:26 pm

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_s_t_u_r_t_ wrote:(Pardon the observation.)


Stu,

I can't dig up the old tweets.

But, it's been observed for a while that 2017/2018 were deep drafts.

And that 2020 was considered the weakest in a few years based on the HS scouting for kids expected to be One-and-Dones.



I did find this:

Jonathan Givony wrote:2020 NBA mock draft: A new No. 1 pick, latest on top prospects

Big takeaways

• There's still no consensus among recruiting experts on the top prospect in this class, let alone how the top five to 10 players will shake out in what appears to be a fairly weak group at the moment.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#842 » by EazyRoc » Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:52 pm

The thought of trading out of the lottery before a single tournament game has been played based on perceived lack of talent is not a smart move at all. Especially when you don’t realistically know whos going to be available and where they are really going to rank in 2020 once they see superior comp. People said this draft class would be weak. I see one potential superstar, one potential perennial, and a bevy of guys who could have an all star appearance or 2 before their careers are over.


I think because there are a lot of quality wings in this draft that they’re being miscast as a middling group. This is one of the deepest wing drafts I can remember. I’m willing to bank that most of the wing guys taken in the lottery will stay in the league and have long careers.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#843 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:05 pm

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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#844 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:20 pm

jayu70 wrote:Who are the 'Draft and Stash' players in this draft?


jayu70 wrote:Is there a defensive Center in this draft with some offense worth a look?



Why Goga Bitadze is One of 2019’s Top Bigs



The 6-foot-11.25, 251-pound Bitadze has been remarkably productive this season splitting time between the Adriatic League and Euroleague, posting 16.1 points, 7.2 rebounds, 2.5 blocks and 1 assist per game across 25.8 minutes a night on a 65.9 true shooting percentage. That translates out to 24.9 points, 11.1 rebounds, 3.8 blocks, and 1.6 assists per 40 minutes.

...he’s long been considered a long-term backup at the NBA level because of questions surrounding his defensive mobility and offensive ceiling. But, Bitadze has quieted these concerns and flashed signs of a much higher ceiling on both ends of the floor. His most notable area of progress has been his greatly improved mobility on both ends. No longer does Bitadze look plodding trying to defend pick-and-rolls on the perimeter. JZ mentioned that Bitadze rarely left the paint last season, but this year he looks much more comfortable venturing out the perimeter and hedging and recovering against pick-and-rolls. He has slimmed down and looks much more nimble moving on the perimeter on defense.

The most interesting part of Bitadze’s offensive profile is his outside shooting ability. He shoots an easy ball from 3 with soft touch and highly projectable mechanics. He’s hit 15 of his 37 3-point attempts in 23 games this year while knocking down 67.3 percent of his shots from the free throw line. Few 6-foot-11 19 year-olds are as developed from 3-point range as he is...the threat of Bitadze’s shot can pull opposing 5s away from the rim and set him up to attack off the bounce, something he has done more of this season.

His high productivity at such a young age in Euroleague suggests a high offensive floor at the NBA level, but his ceiling shouldn’t be underrated. With true center size and plus coordination, Bitadze can leverage the threat of his shot to set up a strong face-up game to pair with his finishing ability near the rim.

Transitioning back to the defensive side of the ball, Bitadze is a force inside the arc and especially inside the paint. As JZ mentioned in his piece from last year, Bitadze’s positioning is consistently precise. He is excellent at staying between ball and man, rarely overcommitting.

Bitadze can shut down the paint with his size, length, timing, and hand placement as a shot blocker. He plays with a high motor and finishes plays, routinely making multiple contests. Bitadze has a large recovery radius thanks to his length and anticipation as a shot blocker from the weak side. It’s no surprise that Bitadze leads the Adriatic League in blocks per game by a wide margin.

For me, he is right there with the other top bigs in the 2019 class, as none of them are without their flaws. Jaxson Hayes...is still extremely raw; Jontay Porter has significant health issues; Bol Bol might have the scariest flaws of any prospect in the class.

While he may lack top-flight physical tools, Bitadze has an excellent rim protection package thanks to his large recovery radius, technical positioning, elite hand placement, high motor, and physical size.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#845 » by _s_t_u_r_t_ » Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:47 pm

EazyRoc wrote:The thought of trading out of the lottery before a single tournament game has been played based on perceived lack of talent is not a smart move at all.


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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#846 » by EazyRoc » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:44 pm

_s_t_u_r_t_ wrote:
EazyRoc wrote:The thought of trading out of the lottery before a single tournament game has been played based on perceived lack of talent is not a smart move at all.


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I hadn’t gotten that far in the thread yet when I responded.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#847 » by EazyRoc » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:39 pm

We just lost our 2nd lottery pick. The Mavs just made the decision to tank by adding an injured KP.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#848 » by LunchBox21 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:00 pm

EazyRoc wrote:We just lost our 2nd lottery pick. The Mavs just made the decision to tank by adding an injured KP.


Good luck to them then. They are 7 games out and the Hawks are about to trade away veterans that filled crucial roles.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#849 » by King Ken » Fri Feb 1, 2019 3:31 am

EazyRoc wrote:We just lost our 2nd lottery pick. The Mavs just made the decision to tank by adding an injured KP.

Lose it? Nope but I am more worried about it than I was this morning
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#850 » by LunchBox21 » Fri Feb 1, 2019 4:48 am

--Superstar--
Zion Williamson

--Perenniel allstar--


--Starters, maybe a couple allstar appearances in the East--
Jarrett Culver
Romeo Langford

--Probably just a nice player off the bench but they could also get into the above tier--
Grant Williams
Jontay Porter
Kevin Porter Jr
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#851 » by EazyRoc » Fri Feb 1, 2019 1:50 pm

King Ken wrote:
EazyRoc wrote:We just lost our 2nd lottery pick. The Mavs just made the decision to tank by adding an injured KP.

Lose it? Nope but I am more worried about it than I was this morning

I don’t know. You’ve lost at least 2 “winning” players and only get THJr in return who is a streaky sixth man type player. They lost all their secondary ball handlers now that DSJr is gone and Barea is hurt. I think they finish at 30 wins give or take 2 wins. That could realistically drop them in the 1-5 spot with the new lottery odds and we miss out.

This is mostly null and void if KP comes back this season.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#852 » by personanongrata » Fri Feb 1, 2019 2:02 pm

EazyRoc wrote:
King Ken wrote:
EazyRoc wrote:We just lost our 2nd lottery pick. The Mavs just made the decision to tank by adding an injured KP.

Lose it? Nope but I am more worried about it than I was this morning

I don’t know. You’ve lost at least 2 “winning” players and only get THJr in return who is a streaky sixth man type player. They lost all their secondary ball handlers now that DSJr is gone and Barea is hurt. I think they finish at 30 wins give or take 2 wins. That could realistically drop them in the 1-5 spot with the new lottery odds and we miss out.

This is mostly null and void if KP comes back this season.


Dude, they already have 23 wins with 31 games to go. You think they are going 7-24 the rest of the way with Luka and Barnes? That isn't happening. If you want to make a bet I will gladly take the over.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#853 » by kg01 » Fri Feb 1, 2019 2:06 pm

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EazyRoc wrote:
King Ken wrote:Lose it? Nope but I am more worried about it than I was this morning

I don’t know. You’ve lost at least 2 “winning” players and only get THJr in return who is a streaky sixth man type player. They lost all their secondary ball handlers now that DSJr is gone and Barea is hurt. I think they finish at 30 wins give or take 2 wins. That could realistically drop them in the 1-5 spot with the new lottery odds and we miss out.

This is mostly null and void if KP comes back this season.


Dude, they already have 23 wins with 31 games to go. You think they are going 7-24 the rest of the way with Luka and Barnes? That isn't happening. If you want to make a bet I will gladly take the over.


Yeah, it's inconceivable to think they're not gonna drop that far by the end of the season. It would take some absolutely gutless play and roster management (DNP's for healthy guys) for that to happen. They're not sitting Doncic for a multitude of games or it'll cost him the ROY due to backlash from media voters.

They'll give a decent enough effort to stay afloat (i.e. out of the top 5 pick range).
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#854 » by EazyRoc » Fri Feb 1, 2019 2:07 pm

personanongrata wrote:
EazyRoc wrote:
King Ken wrote:Lose it? Nope but I am more worried about it than I was this morning

I don’t know. You’ve lost at least 2 “winning” players and only get THJr in return who is a streaky sixth man type player. They lost all their secondary ball handlers now that DSJr is gone and Barea is hurt. I think they finish at 30 wins give or take 2 wins. That could realistically drop them in the 1-5 spot with the new lottery odds and we miss out.

This is mostly null and void if KP comes back this season.


Dude, they already have 23 wins with 31 games to go. You think they are going 7-24 the rest of the way with Luka and Barnes? That isn't happening. If you want to make a bet I will gladly take the over.

I’ll take the bet at 10 wins or less on the condition that KP doesn’t play this season.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#855 » by EazyRoc » Fri Feb 1, 2019 2:09 pm

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personanongrata wrote:
EazyRoc wrote:I don’t know. You’ve lost at least 2 “winning” players and only get THJr in return who is a streaky sixth man type player. They lost all their secondary ball handlers now that DSJr is gone and Barea is hurt. I think they finish at 30 wins give or take 2 wins. That could realistically drop them in the 1-5 spot with the new lottery odds and we miss out.

This is mostly null and void if KP comes back this season.


Dude, they already have 23 wins with 31 games to go. You think they are going 7-24 the rest of the way with Luka and Barnes? That isn't happening. If you want to make a bet I will gladly take the over.


Yeah, it's inconceivable to think they're not gonna drop that far by the end of the season. It would take some absolutely gutless play and roster management (DNP's for healthy guys) for that to happen. They're not sitting Doncic for a multitude of games or it'll cost him the ROY due to backlash from media voters.

They'll give a decent enough effort to stay afloat (i.e. out of the top 5 pick range).
They just lost 3 starters and didn’t replace them with equivalent players. They were an under .500 team even with them. So 10-21 for the last 31 games is not outside the realm of possibility.
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Post#856 » by kg01 » Fri Feb 1, 2019 2:17 pm

EazyRoc wrote:
kg01 wrote:
personanongrata wrote:
Dude, they already have 23 wins with 31 games to go. You think they are going 7-24 the rest of the way with Luka and Barnes? That isn't happening. If you want to make a bet I will gladly take the over.


Yeah, it's inconceivable to think they're not gonna drop that far by the end of the season. It would take some absolutely gutless play and roster management (DNP's for healthy guys) for that to happen. They're not sitting Doncic for a multitude of games or it'll cost him the ROY due to backlash from media voters.

They'll give a decent enough effort to stay afloat (i.e. out of the top 5 pick range).
They just lost 3 starters and didn’t replace them with equivalent players. They were an under .500 team even with them. So 10-21 for the last 31 games is not outside the realm of possibility.


THJr is vastly superior player to Matthews. I get he has a bad rep and all that but Matthews is a horribly overrated guy and he could never score like THJr can. Jordan has been average overall and bad, at times, defensively (which is all he's there for). DSJr wasn't engaged and he's missed several games as it is.

Long story long, it's quite possible this is addition by subtraction. All in all, they're not dramatically different today than they were before this trade.

Our pick is aiight.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#857 » by EazyRoc » Fri Feb 1, 2019 2:58 pm

kg01 wrote:
EazyRoc wrote:
kg01 wrote:
Yeah, it's inconceivable to think they're not gonna drop that far by the end of the season. It would take some absolutely gutless play and roster management (DNP's for healthy guys) for that to happen. They're not sitting Doncic for a multitude of games or it'll cost him the ROY due to backlash from media voters.

They'll give a decent enough effort to stay afloat (i.e. out of the top 5 pick range).
They just lost 3 starters and didn’t replace them with equivalent players. They were an under .500 team even with them. So 10-21 for the last 31 games is not outside the realm of possibility.


THJr is vastly superior player to Matthews. I get he has a bad rep and all that but Matthews is a horribly overrated guy and he could never score like THJr can. Jordan has been average overall and bad, at times, defensively (which is all he's there for). DSJr wasn't engaged and he's missed several games as it is.

Long story long, it's quite possible this is addition by subtraction. All in all, they're not dramatically different today than they were before this trade.

Our pick is aiight.

THJr is an overrated chucker and has always been that. This idea that’s he’s somehow a world beater is crazy. Dude is a the type of player that always looks good in LOSING situations. Dudes game doesn’t contribute to winning basketball. Now Wesley Matthews isn’t great but if anything they would have equivalent impact. THJr is not an upgrade over Wesley Matthews.

DeAndre Jordan is still one of the top rim protectors in the league and defensively has been playing very well. Very well. They didn’t replace him AT ALL. Their best defensive player.

DSJr is still a player and a (low-end) starting caliber right now today in his 2nd year. He was the only halfway decent ball handler remaining other than Doncic. Once you sit Doncic, who runs point ? Again. He wasn’t replaced at all.

This isn’t addition by subtraction. This is indirect tanking. If they don’t make any big FA signings soon (and KP doesn’t come back), then it’s clear they aren’t concerned with competing this year.

That puts our pick in real jeopardy.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#858 » by EazyRoc » Fri Feb 1, 2019 3:03 pm

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DAL/2019.html

Once you X out Barea and KP due to injury... That roster is f’in trash.
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Post#859 » by Spud2nique » Fri Feb 1, 2019 3:16 pm

personanongrata wrote:
EazyRoc wrote:
King Ken wrote:Lose it? Nope but I am more worried about it than I was this morning

I don’t know. You’ve lost at least 2 “winning” players and only get THJr in return who is a streaky sixth man type player. They lost all their secondary ball handlers now that DSJr is gone and Barea is hurt. I think they finish at 30 wins give or take 2 wins. That could realistically drop them in the 1-5 spot with the new lottery odds and we miss out.

This is mostly null and void if KP comes back this season.


Dude, they already have 23 wins with 31 games to go. You think they are going 7-24 the rest of the way with Luka and Barnes? That isn't happening. If you want to make a bet I will gladly take the over.


:lol: no...no bets with you.
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