The Knicks Scenario

[Bleeding Green]

I forgot that what happened in the past will always, without fail, continue to happen forever and ever.

lmao Phil Jackson, who cares. He was 80 and just floating around. Also he isn't there anymore. The Nets have this allegedly awful franchise that they turned around, why can't the Knicks? The Kings were a laughinstock literally 5 months ago, now they are this super up-and-coming team.

Since Steve Mills took over they've made a bunch of good moves. Got rid of Carmelo, drafted Robinson, drafted Knox, drafted Kornet, trade Porzingis for a young PG with exceptional athleticism and potential (DSJ), plus a potentially really good future Mavs pick (Mavs could easily be crap if Luka isn't an MVP candidate and Porzingis is injured). They pulled Alonzo Trier out of thin air. They pulled Luke Kornet, a really intriguing stretch 4, out of thin air. They haven't made any stupid longterm signings. Yeah, none of these guys I mentioned are superstars, but they are good pieces that they got for basically nothing. This isn't the stuff really crappy front offices typically do.

Things change. If you just want to banish the Knicks to afterthought status until they aren't, go for it. It doesn't take a huge mental leap to think some team that has the pieces and the cap space (literally 99% of the battle) can go make a couple moves and suddenly be good. They still have to get a little lucky (#1 overall definitely helps a ton), but they have the roster and the alleged cache to go do something now, which you couldn't really say like 4 hours ago.

I swear 90 pct of you have never watched a non-Celtics game or looked at another team's roster.

[Parliament10]

Seriously people, when is the last time the Knicks did anything remotely significant or competent? The fact that this crap franchise is even being talked about is media driven and it's NY. You know what? We live in a more global world and nobody gives a **** about New York, whether it's the Knicks, Yankees, Mets, Rangers or whoever.

The last thing they did competent was draft Porzingis, who they just dumped for 10 cents on the dollar

Knicks got a 1st Round pick, too.

[djFan71]

It all depends on if they get that #1 spot. Zion will be the trump card for NY in an AD trade.

This is going be the lottery to end all lotteries. Determines where Zion and AD end up.

Yup. Im sure if NY lands the #1 pick theyre going to pitch every meeting with a star is going to be, "we have enough cap space to sign you and have you pair up with another max free agent. Once both of you are on board, we will trade for AD and the 3 of you can run NY."

Even if its not Kyrie, Im sure theyre going to try and get any combo of (Kyrie/KD/Kawhi/Kemba/Butler). If they dont land any free agents then they just keep Zion. But ya NY getting that #1 pick would open a ton of possibilities for them and makes that team a much more desirable destination with how easily they would be able to trade for AD.

Yup, even without Kyrie or AD, they are looking a lot better.

DJS, Knox, Mitchell, Kornet, Trier, 2 max slots, top 5 pick, MLE. That's pretty solid.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Hi, Bleeding Green. My name is James. It's nice to meet you.

Nice to meet you. When did you last give any input on anything related to the Knicks?

Hi Bleeding Green. I'm Phil. James hired me. You may remember my Knicks tenure for being an unmitigated disaster.



https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2718471-phil-jackson-had-to-go-but-knicks-owner-james-dolan-remains-ultimate-problem

Hi Bleeding Green.

My name's Isiah Thomas. I got sued by an intern for sexual harassment.

And my name's Stephon Marbury. I banged that intern.

[djFan71]

This is going be the lottery to end all lotteries. Determines where Zion and AD end up.

Yup. Im sure if NY lands the #1 pick theyre going to pitch every meeting with a star is going to be, "we have enough cap space to sign you and have you pair up with another max free agent. Once both of you are on board, we will trade for AD and the 3 of you can run NY."

Even if its not Kyrie, Im sure theyre going to try and get any combo of (Kyrie/KD/Kawhi/Kemba/Butler). If they dont land any free agents then they just keep Zion. But ya NY getting that #1 pick would open a ton of possibilities for them and makes that team a much more desirable destination with how easily they would be able to trade for AD.

You think that New York can beat us for Anthony Davis without KP? The first overall pick and their young role players does not beat out all our first round picks, all star player in Tatum and whatever else they want in my opinion

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Depends on your take on Zion, but from all appearances he's over Tatum. The rest doesn't matter as much.

[Bleeding Green]

Nice to meet you. When did you last give any input on anything related to the Knicks?

Hi Bleeding Green. I'm Phil. James hired me. You may remember my Knicks tenure for being an unmitigated disaster.



https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2718471-phil-jackson-had-to-go-but-knicks-owner-james-dolan-remains-ultimate-problem

Hi Bleeding Green.

My name's Isiah Thomas. I got sued by an intern for sexual harassment.

And my name's Stephon Marbury. I banged that intern.

I may as well post Rick Pitino if we're going to compare the potential of the 2019 Knicks to what a bunch of **** morons that don't work there anymore did. Isn't it more interesting to look ahead and maybe use some of the moves that the current front office has done, maybe use that as a building block for what they could potentially do? No, it's just easier to post pictures of an owner who doesn't care, some old GMs, a point guard from 20 **** years ago. I'll load up all my 1993-2006 Celtics **** memes.

[Duke4life831]

This is going be the lottery to end all lotteries. Determines where Zion and AD end up.

Yup. Im sure if NY lands the #1 pick theyre going to pitch every meeting with a star is going to be, "we have enough cap space to sign you and have you pair up with another max free agent. Once both of you are on board, we will trade for AD and the 3 of you can run NY."

Even if its not Kyrie, Im sure theyre going to try and get any combo of (Kyrie/KD/Kawhi/Kemba/Butler). If they dont land any free agents then they just keep Zion. But ya NY getting that #1 pick would open a ton of possibilities for them and makes that team a much more desirable destination with how easily they would be able to trade for AD.

You think that New York can beat us for Anthony Davis without KP? The first overall pick and their young role players does not beat out all our first round picks, all star player in Tatum and whatever else they want in my opinion

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In my opinion it beats it out. Lets say Zion/DSJ/Knox/a future NY pick and the Dallas pick. I think that tops a Boston offer. Zion is going to have ridiculous value. Not only is he the best prospect since AD (maybe even better), he is the most popular player to enter the league since LeBron. So they get an elite prospect, a couple young guys with potential and some draft picks. Now if you replace Zion with say RJ Barrett, no I think your guys offer will be better. Zion is just the trump card in all of this. His value is going to be that big.

Edit: Just saw that Dallas is throwing in 2 1st round picks, not just 1. So ya NY with Zion/DSJ/Knox plus 3 1st round picks would be the top offer.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Hi Bleeding Green. I'm Phil. James hired me. You may remember my Knicks tenure for being an unmitigated disaster.



https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2718471-phil-jackson-had-to-go-but-knicks-owner-james-dolan-remains-ultimate-problem

Hi Bleeding Green.

My name's Isiah Thomas. I got sued by an intern for sexual harassment.

And my name's Stephon Marbury. I banged that intern.

I may as well post Rick Pitino if we're going to compare the potential of the 2019 Knicks to what a bunch of **** morons that don't work there anymore did. Isn't it more interesting to look ahead and maybe use some of the moves that the current front office has done, maybe use that as a building block for what they could potentially do? No, it's just easier to post pictures of an owner who doesn't care, some old GMs, a point guard from 20 **** years ago. I'll load up all my 1993-2006 Celtics **** memes.

Look, I'm worried about the Knicks too, but they have been a dumpster fire ever since Dolan took over the team.

[hickfromfrenchlick]

I forgot that what happened in the past will always, without fail, continue to happen forever and ever.

lmao Phil Jackson, who cares. He was 80 and just floating around. Also he isn't there anymore. The Nets have this allegedly awful franchise that they turned around, why can't the Knicks? The Kings were a laughinstock literally 5 months ago, now they are this super up-and-coming team.

Since Steve Mills took over they've made a bunch of good moves. Got rid of Carmelo, drafted Robinson, drafted Knox, drafted Kornet, trade Porzingis for a young PG with exceptional athleticism and potential (DSJ), plus a potentially really good future Mavs pick (Mavs could easily be crap if Luka isn't an MVP candidate and Porzingis is injured). They pulled Alonzo Trier out of thin air. They pulled Luke Kornet, a really intriguing stretch 4, out of thin air. They haven't made any stupid longterm signings. Yeah, none of these guys I mentioned are superstars, but they are good pieces that they got for basically nothing. This isn't the stuff really crappy front offices typically do.

Things change. If you just want to banish the Knicks to afterthought status until they aren't, go for it. It doesn't take a huge mental leap to think some team that has the pieces and the cap space (literally 99% of the battle) can go make a couple moves and suddenly be good. They still have to get a little lucky (#1 overall definitely helps a ton), but they have the roster and the alleged cache to go do something now, which you couldn't really say like 4 hours ago.

I swear 90 pct of you have never watched a non-Celtics game or looked at another team's roster.

They literally just traded a guy called The Unicorn for Dennis Smith Jr. and a bag of Lay's chips.

[Bleeding Green]

Yup. Im sure if NY lands the #1 pick theyre going to pitch every meeting with a star is going to be, "we have enough cap space to sign you and have you pair up with another max free agent. Once both of you are on board, we will trade for AD and the 3 of you can run NY."

Even if its not Kyrie, Im sure theyre going to try and get any combo of (Kyrie/KD/Kawhi/Kemba/Butler). If they dont land any free agents then they just keep Zion. But ya NY getting that #1 pick would open a ton of possibilities for them and makes that team a much more desirable destination with how easily they would be able to trade for AD.

You think that New York can beat us for Anthony Davis without KP? The first overall pick and their young role players does not beat out all our first round picks, all star player in Tatum and whatever else they want in my opinion

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In my opinion it beats it out. Lets say Zion/DSJ/Knox/a future NY pick and the Dallas pick. I think that tops a Boston offer. Zion is going to have ridiculous value. Not only is he the best prospect since AD (maybe even better), he is the most popular player to enter the league since LeBron. So they get an elite prospect, a couple young guys with potential and some draft picks. Now if you replace Zion with say RJ Barrett, no I think your guys offer will be better. Zion is just the trump card in all of this. His value is going to be that big.

All of this PLUS the Knicks can make a trade this deadline if they can convince the Pelicans. Celtics are at the whims of the Pelicans front office to some degree. Also depending on what the Pelicans value, they could put more value on guys like Robinson/Knox because they have more time on their rookie-scale contracts relative to Brown/Tatum. Of course Brown/Tatum are better, but there are contract control/salary considerations. Why trade for Tatum if he's just going to leave in 2 years because your teams sucks.

[Bleeding Green]

Hi Bleeding Green.

My name's Isiah Thomas. I got sued by an intern for sexual harassment.

And my name's Stephon Marbury. I banged that intern.

I may as well post Rick Pitino if we're going to compare the potential of the 2019 Knicks to what a bunch of **** morons that don't work there anymore did. Isn't it more interesting to look ahead and maybe use some of the moves that the current front office has done, maybe use that as a building block for what they could potentially do? No, it's just easier to post pictures of an owner who doesn't care, some old GMs, a point guard from 20 **** years ago. I'll load up all my 1993-2006 Celtics **** memes.

Look, I'm worried about the Knicks too, but they have been a dumpster fire ever since Dolan took over the team.

So are many teams until they aren't. My point isn't that the Knicks are 100 pct going to be in the Finals next year. My point is that the Knicks have constructed their roster with pieces that they can use to have a good team next year. Does anyone ever look forward around here? What is the harm in entertaining possibilities about other teams? James Dolan is a terrible owner, who cares. Steve Mills has done a nice job since he took over.

[SichtingLives]

Anything the Knicks touch will turn to ****. Doesn't matter what. That's the law.

[Bleeding Green]

I forgot that what happened in the past will always, without fail, continue to happen forever and ever.

lmao Phil Jackson, who cares. He was 80 and just floating around. Also he isn't there anymore. The Nets have this allegedly awful franchise that they turned around, why can't the Knicks? The Kings were a laughinstock literally 5 months ago, now they are this super up-and-coming team.

Since Steve Mills took over they've made a bunch of good moves. Got rid of Carmelo, drafted Robinson, drafted Knox, drafted Kornet, trade Porzingis for a young PG with exceptional athleticism and potential (DSJ), plus a potentially really good future Mavs pick (Mavs could easily be crap if Luka isn't an MVP candidate and Porzingis is injured). They pulled Alonzo Trier out of thin air. They pulled Luke Kornet, a really intriguing stretch 4, out of thin air. They haven't made any stupid longterm signings. Yeah, none of these guys I mentioned are superstars, but they are good pieces that they got for basically nothing. This isn't the stuff really crappy front offices typically do.

Things change. If you just want to banish the Knicks to afterthought status until they aren't, go for it. It doesn't take a huge mental leap to think some team that has the pieces and the cap space (literally 99% of the battle) can go make a couple moves and suddenly be good. They still have to get a little lucky (#1 overall definitely helps a ton), but they have the roster and the alleged cache to go do something now, which you couldn't really say like 4 hours ago.

I swear 90 pct of you have never watched a non-Celtics game or looked at another team's roster.

They literally just traded a guy called The Unicorn for Dennis Smith Jr. and a bag of Lay's chips.

They literally just traded a guy who has never been healthy (and will get a max deal after next year), along with two huge dead weight salaries, for a young point guard with Westbrook athleticism, and a draft pick that could end up in the lottery with ease.

[Duke4life831]

You think that New York can beat us for Anthony Davis without KP? The first overall pick and their young role players does not beat out all our first round picks, all star player in Tatum and whatever else they want in my opinion

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In my opinion it beats it out. Lets say Zion/DSJ/Knox/a future NY pick and the Dallas pick. I think that tops a Boston offer. Zion is going to have ridiculous value. Not only is he the best prospect since AD (maybe even better), he is the most popular player to enter the league since LeBron. So they get an elite prospect, a couple young guys with potential and some draft picks. Now if you replace Zion with say RJ Barrett, no I think your guys offer will be better. Zion is just the trump card in all of this. His value is going to be that big.

All of this PLUS the Knicks can make a trade this deadline if they can convince the Pelicans. Celtics are at the whims of the Pelicans front office to some degree. Also depending on what the Pelicans value, they could put more value on guys like Robinson/Knox because they have more time on their rookie-scale contracts relative to Brown/Tatum. Of course Brown/Tatum are better, but there are contract control/salary considerations. Why trade for Tatum if he's just going to leave in 2 years because your teams sucks.

I dont think they could land AD before the trade deadline. Id take the LA offer over the Knicks offer if it doesnt include Zion. No way the Pelicans make that trade with at best a 14% chance of getting Zion, plus with AD, NY would probably win a few more games and not have the best odds.

I get what the Knicks are doing, I actually think its smart trying to swing for the fences. I also wouldnt be shocked if they do get two big name free agents this summer (maybe not KD and Kyrie level, but a Butler and Kemba or Kemba and Cousins maybe). Getting two guys to come at the same time is easier than trying to bring in just 1, its probably much easier to sell the package.

Now I do think if they get lucky in the lotto and get the #1, NY becomes a really good looking place for free agents. All because of the possible AD trade.

[Duke4life831]

I forgot that what happened in the past will always, without fail, continue to happen forever and ever.

lmao Phil Jackson, who cares. He was 80 and just floating around. Also he isn't there anymore. The Nets have this allegedly awful franchise that they turned around, why can't the Knicks? The Kings were a laughinstock literally 5 months ago, now they are this super up-and-coming team.

Since Steve Mills took over they've made a bunch of good moves. Got rid of Carmelo, drafted Robinson, drafted Knox, drafted Kornet, trade Porzingis for a young PG with exceptional athleticism and potential (DSJ), plus a potentially really good future Mavs pick (Mavs could easily be crap if Luka isn't an MVP candidate and Porzingis is injured). They pulled Alonzo Trier out of thin air. They pulled Luke Kornet, a really intriguing stretch 4, out of thin air. They haven't made any stupid longterm signings. Yeah, none of these guys I mentioned are superstars, but they are good pieces that they got for basically nothing. This isn't the stuff really crappy front offices typically do.

Things change. If you just want to banish the Knicks to afterthought status until they aren't, go for it. It doesn't take a huge mental leap to think some team that has the pieces and the cap space (literally 99% of the battle) can go make a couple moves and suddenly be good. They still have to get a little lucky (#1 overall definitely helps a ton), but they have the roster and the alleged cache to go do something now, which you couldn't really say like 4 hours ago.

I swear 90 pct of you have never watched a non-Celtics game or looked at another team's roster.

They literally just traded a guy called The Unicorn for Dennis Smith Jr. and a bag of Lay's chips.

They literally just traded a guy who has never been healthy (and will get a max deal after next year), along with two huge dead weight salaries, for a young point guard with Westbrook athleticism, and a draft pick that could end up in the lottery with ease.

DSJ I think is a great fall back prize. So just in case they dont land a big time free agent, a young core with him and the other NY pieces plus a top 5 pick this draft is a solid young core. But the clearing cap space to sign 2 stars this summer is huge.

[hickfromfrenchlick]

They literally just traded a guy called The Unicorn for Dennis Smith Jr. and a bag of Lay's chips.

They literally just traded a guy who has never been healthy (and will get a max deal after next year), along with two huge dead weight salaries, for a young point guard with Westbrook athleticism, and a draft pick that could end up in the lottery with ease.

DSJ I think is a great fall back prize. So just in case they dont land a big time free agent, a young core with him and the other NY pieces plus a top 5 pick this draft is a solid young core. But the clearing cap space to sign 2 stars this summer is huge.

Trading KP for the chance at signing FAs is a much bigger gamble than anything Ainge can or will do this year.

We'll see how it turns out.

[Duke4life831]

They literally just traded a guy who has never been healthy (and will get a max deal after next year), along with two huge dead weight salaries, for a young point guard with Westbrook athleticism, and a draft pick that could end up in the lottery with ease.

DSJ I think is a great fall back prize. So just in case they dont land a big time free agent, a young core with him and the other NY pieces plus a top 5 pick this draft is a solid young core. But the clearing cap space to sign 2 stars this summer is huge.

Trading KP for the chance at signing FAs is a much bigger gamble than anything Ainge can or will do this year.

We'll see how it turns out.

Oh its a definite gamble. One with not the greatest odds. But again I get why theyre doing it. They were a middling team and KP wanted out. Might as well swing for the fences. If not they got DSJ and 2 more 1st round picks from Dallas and just start their rebuild. But ya I respect the gamble.

[Valid]

I forgot that what happened in the past will always, without fail, continue to happen forever and ever.

lmao Phil Jackson, who cares. He was 80 and just floating around. Also he isn't there anymore. The Nets have this allegedly awful franchise that they turned around, why can't the Knicks? The Kings were a laughinstock literally 5 months ago, now they are this super up-and-coming team.

Since Steve Mills took over they've made a bunch of good moves. Got rid of Carmelo, drafted Robinson, drafted Knox, drafted Kornet, trade Porzingis for a young PG with exceptional athleticism and potential (DSJ), plus a potentially really good future Mavs pick (Mavs could easily be crap if Luka isn't an MVP candidate and Porzingis is injured). They pulled Alonzo Trier out of thin air. They pulled Luke Kornet, a really intriguing stretch 4, out of thin air. They haven't made any stupid longterm signings. Yeah, none of these guys I mentioned are superstars, but they are good pieces that they got for basically nothing. This isn't the stuff really crappy front offices typically do.

Things change. If you just want to banish the Knicks to afterthought status until they aren't, go for it. It doesn't take a huge mental leap to think some team that has the pieces and the cap space (literally 99% of the battle) can go make a couple moves and suddenly be good. They still have to get a little lucky (#1 overall definitely helps a ton), but they have the roster and the alleged cache to go do something now, which you couldn't really say like 4 hours ago.

I swear 90 pct of you have never watched a non-Celtics game or looked at another team's roster.

They literally just traded a guy called The Unicorn for Dennis Smith Jr. and a bag of Lay's chips.

They literally just traded a guy who has never been healthy (and will get a max deal after next year), along with two huge dead weight salaries, for a young point guard with Westbrook athleticism, and a draft pick that could end up in the lottery with ease.

Lol DSJ is terrible.

[Arsenal]

Yup. Im sure if NY lands the #1 pick theyre going to pitch every meeting with a star is going to be, "we have enough cap space to sign you and have you pair up with another max free agent. Once both of you are on board, we will trade for AD and the 3 of you can run NY."

Even if its not Kyrie, Im sure theyre going to try and get any combo of (Kyrie/KD/Kawhi/Kemba/Butler). If they dont land any free agents then they just keep Zion. But ya NY getting that #1 pick would open a ton of possibilities for them and makes that team a much more desirable destination with how easily they would be able to trade for AD.

You think that New York can beat us for Anthony Davis without KP? The first overall pick and their young role players does not beat out all our first round picks, all star player in Tatum and whatever else they want in my opinion

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In my opinion it beats it out. Lets say Zion/DSJ/Knox/a future NY pick and the Dallas pick. I think that tops a Boston offer. Zion is going to have ridiculous value. Not only is he the best prospect since AD (maybe even better), he is the most popular player to enter the league since LeBron. So they get an elite prospect, a couple young guys with potential and some draft picks. Now if you replace Zion with say RJ Barrett, no I think your guys offer will be better. Zion is just the trump card in all of this. His value is going to be that big.

Edit: Just saw that Dallas is throwing in 2 1st round picks, not just 1. So ya NY with Zion/DSJ/Knox plus 3 1st round picks would be the top offer.

They won't need to offer anywhere near that much. If the Knicks get Zion and put him on the table, him alone trumps any other realistic offer. They will not need to add picks or any other young prospects.

[Valid]

Yup. Im sure if NY lands the #1 pick theyre going to pitch every meeting with a star is going to be, "we have enough cap space to sign you and have you pair up with another max free agent. Once both of you are on board, we will trade for AD and the 3 of you can run NY."

Even if its not Kyrie, Im sure theyre going to try and get any combo of (Kyrie/KD/Kawhi/Kemba/Butler). If they dont land any free agents then they just keep Zion. But ya NY getting that #1 pick would open a ton of possibilities for them and makes that team a much more desirable destination with how easily they would be able to trade for AD.

You think that New York can beat us for Anthony Davis without KP? The first overall pick and their young role players does not beat out all our first round picks, all star player in Tatum and whatever else they want in my opinion

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In my opinion it beats it out. Lets say Zion/DSJ/Knox/a future NY pick and the Dallas pick. I think that tops a Boston offer. Zion is going to have ridiculous value. Not only is he the best prospect since AD (maybe even better), he is the most popular player to enter the league since LeBron. So they get an elite prospect, a couple young guys with potential and some draft picks. Now if you replace Zion with say RJ Barrett, no I think your guys offer will be better. Zion is just the trump card in all of this. His value is going to be that big.

Edit: Just saw that Dallas is throwing in 2 1st round picks, not just 1. So ya NY with Zion/DSJ/Knox plus 3 1st round picks would be the top offer.

Can we stop acting lke DSJ is any good?