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2018/2019 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.)

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Re: 2018/2019 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#2041 » by newyorker4ever » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:10 pm

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Dotson is already 24 so his growth curve is slowly plateauing and he doesn't have the defensive discipline those guys have... Not saying he can't get better but he's still got a ways to go to reach Danny Green's consistency as a shooter and I don't think he'll ever reach Wes's level of offensive output either...

Dot always gets beat back door and off ball because he's too aggressive on D (similar to early career Shump). I think he's good on ball though. Also those guys at age 24 were better shooters than Dot is. Green was shooting 43% on 3.5 3's per game and Matthews was shooting 4.5 3's per game. For reference Dot has shot 37% on 3.6 3's per game this year.

I think the issue is people hear 3 and D and immediately think oh he'll just be Wesley Matthews or Danny Green not realizing hwo good those guys actually are on both ends. I see Dot as like more of a Garret Temple type where on a good team he's probably a bench player who plays like 15-25 minutes a night and you don't see too much of a slip off from your starters and if he wants to cash in he could probably start on a borderline playoff team or tanking team. And I don't mean to slight Dot... getting that kind of player in the 2nd round is a great grab by the organization.



Well this is obviously Dotson's 2nd year and has never gotten consistent minutes to get better so kinda hard to predict what he can do without him getting consistent minutes to get better and show what he can do like Wes and Danny have.


Danny Green got 23 mpg in his age 24 season. Dotson currently gets 24mpg. Wes got starter minutes but if you use per 36 Dotson is still way behind where Wes was at the same age. Again Dot can certainly improve but he's got a longer way to go than those gusy did at the same time.



There's a lot more to it then what stats they were putting up at age 24 like what teams they were on and the players they were playing with and the coaches that were coaching them. Dotson came into the league at 23 yrs old. He didn't get minutes even close to 23 a game last year and barely played at all until the end of last year. There's much more to it then what it says on paper.
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Post#2042 » by iLovethosedamnknicks » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:11 pm

newyorker4ever wrote:
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iLovethosedamnknicks wrote:trade idea with cavs:

burks, jr, and hood for lee, hardaway, and frank

question. can we stretch jr 4m next year of we cant since we used it on noah


I like this. I’d even add Dotson.



Another person sleeping on how good Dotson can become if given consistent minutes. I think he could be a Danny Green or Wes Mathews type of 3-D player. I don't add Dotson to any trade if it doesn't have us getting back a legit star player.



a lot of players "could" be good given more minutes. we need to get rid of lee and especially hardaway who is worthless. he takes horrible shots, play **** defense, and takes away valuable minutes from our youth. i understand were giving up an asset but its worth it in the long term and dont forget dotson will be a free agent in one year and might demand a ton a money if he plays well
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Post#2043 » by TBri1974 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:34 pm

So KP is out. Mathews and Jordan both have value. I wonder if we could net anything for them before the trade deadline is up. People are going to kill me - although they also killed me for saying we should explore a KP trade last off season - but I think we should be willing to take on one additional year of salary if we can get young assets with real value. I don't know we strike gold this off season.
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Post#2044 » by nymets1 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:52 pm

Without going through some or all of the pages in this thread, Can someone sum up how you feel about trading KP? My guess is he hasn't played in a while since last year so you were glad to trade an injured player and not knowing for sure if he can get back to 100% and stay healthy.
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Post#2045 » by KnickFan33 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:55 pm

TBri1974 wrote:So KP is out. Mathews and Jordan both have value. I wonder if we could net anything for them before the trade deadline is up. People are going to kill me - although they also killed me for saying we should explore a KP trade last off season - but I think we should be willing to take on one additional year of salary if we can get young assets with real value. I don't know we strike gold this off season.


What young asset(s) of real value do you think can be obtained for an expiring?
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Post#2046 » by TBri1974 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:06 pm

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TBri1974 wrote:So KP is out. Mathews and Jordan both have value. I wonder if we could net anything for them before the trade deadline is up. People are going to kill me - although they also killed me for saying we should explore a KP trade last off season - but I think we should be willing to take on one additional year of salary if we can get young assets with real value. I don't know we strike gold this off season.


What young asset(s) of real value do you think can be obtained for an expiring?


I wonder if we could bring in Zhaire Smith from Philly with Wilson Chandler (and maybe Muscala) for Jordan. We have to figure out who is a playoff team that could use a talented big.
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Post#2047 » by awy » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:13 pm

TBri1974 wrote:So KP is out. Mathews and Jordan both have value. I wonder if we could net anything for them before the trade deadline is up. People are going to kill me - although they also killed me for saying we should explore a KP trade last off season - but I think we should be willing to take on one additional year of salary if we can get young assets with real value. I don't know we strike gold this off season.

you don't clear 2 max slots and then give that away for a 28th pick. not going to happen.
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Post#2048 » by TBri1974 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:22 pm

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TBri1974 wrote:So KP is out. Mathews and Jordan both have value. I wonder if we could net anything for them before the trade deadline is up. People are going to kill me - although they also killed me for saying we should explore a KP trade last off season - but I think we should be willing to take on one additional year of salary if we can get young assets with real value. I don't know we strike gold this off season.

you don't clear 2 max slots and then give that away for a 28th pick. not going to happen.


Agreed - not for a 28th pick. But there may be other options. I would at least see what is out there. The 2019 Knicks - as it stands now - will be rolling with:

Robinson/Kornet
(Vonleh?)/Knox
Knox/Dotson
Dotson/Trier
DSJ/Frank

Zion, Irving and Durant make that a playoff team, but not a championship team. Zion - if we draft 1 and take him - will be raw, and small PFs with a lot of weight are busts all the time. Durant is not young and Irving is not a perfect player.

Look, I am not saying it wouldn't be amazing to bring in 2 max FAs with a ton of talent, I am just saying we're on the right rebuilding path, and we should stay the course. I wouldn't be rushing to get rid of that space, but I would be fielding calls for sure.
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Post#2049 » by awy » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:24 pm

TBri1974 wrote:
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TBri1974 wrote:So KP is out. Mathews and Jordan both have value. I wonder if we could net anything for them before the trade deadline is up. People are going to kill me - although they also killed me for saying we should explore a KP trade last off season - but I think we should be willing to take on one additional year of salary if we can get young assets with real value. I don't know we strike gold this off season.

you don't clear 2 max slots and then give that away for a 28th pick. not going to happen.


Agreed - not for a 28th pick. But there may be other options. I would at least see what is out there. The 2019 Knicks - as it stands now - will be rolling with:

Robinson/Kornet
(Vonleh?)/Knox
Knox/Dotson
Dotson/Trier
DSJ/Frank

Zion, Irving and Durant make that a playoff team, but not a championship team. Zion - if we draft 1 and take him - will be raw, and small PFs with a lot of weight are busts all the time. Durant is not young and Irving is not a perfect player.

Look, I am not saying it wouldn't be amazing to bring in 2 max FAs with a ton of talent, I am just saying we're on the right rebuilding path, and we should stay the course. I wouldn't be rushing to get rid of that space, but I would be fielding calls for sure.

i think it's malpractice to trade kp for this deal without firm promises from FAs.
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Post#2050 » by TBri1974 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:33 pm

awy wrote:
TBri1974 wrote:
awy wrote:you don't clear 2 max slots and then give that away for a 28th pick. not going to happen.


Agreed - not for a 28th pick. But there may be other options. I would at least see what is out there. The 2019 Knicks - as it stands now - will be rolling with:

Robinson/Kornet
(Vonleh?)/Knox
Knox/Dotson
Dotson/Trier
DSJ/Frank

Zion, Irving and Durant make that a playoff team, but not a championship team. Zion - if we draft 1 and take him - will be raw, and small PFs with a lot of weight are busts all the time. Durant is not young and Irving is not a perfect player.

Look, I am not saying it wouldn't be amazing to bring in 2 max FAs with a ton of talent, I am just saying we're on the right rebuilding path, and we should stay the course. I wouldn't be rushing to get rid of that space, but I would be fielding calls for sure.

i think it's malpractice to trade kp for this deal without firm promises from FAs.


I am waiting to hear the situation with the 2 !RPs. That ain't too shabby for a guy who was injured. Listen, I agree there was some highway robbery involved, but I saw this coming a while ago and better this then losing him for nothing.
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Post#2051 » by spree2kawhi » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:51 pm

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Post#2054 » by TBri1974 » Fri Feb 1, 2019 3:19 am

Alright, so what can we do with Deandre Jordan? He's too valuable to just wave, but we don't need him in our long term plan and we don't want to screw up the tank. Who can we flip him to for what?
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Post#2055 » by BLACKFEET 2010 » Fri Feb 1, 2019 3:52 am

TBri1974 wrote:Alright, so what can we do with Deandre Jordan? He's too valuable to just wave, but we don't need him in our long term plan and we don't want to screw up the tank. Who can we flip him to for what?

Not for nothing, we did meet with him a few years back when he was free agent and allegedly both sides walked away impressed. I think he gets moved for another expiring and a pick. I could see Fiz begging to not waive Wes. Just a pro’s pro. But yeah, he gotstsa go too. Lol
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Post#2056 » by TBri1974 » Fri Feb 1, 2019 4:10 am

I am thinking Jordan to Sacramento - for Randolph, Koustos and a couple of 2nd rounders - makes the most sense (we wave Randolph and Koustos). Could also see Jordan going to Milwaukee for George Hill and their 1st rounder (protected 1-25), then a separate trade of Mudiay for Jason Smith. Smith gets waved, Hill gets waved next year. Milwaukee seems much stronger with Jordan anchoring the middle and Brook Lopez coming in for spells when they need scoring.

Not sure who wants Wes... Possible we simply buy him out.
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Post#2057 » by Nyk4lyfe » Fri Feb 1, 2019 5:06 am

TBri1974 wrote:I am thinking Jordan to Sacramento - for Randolph, Koustos and a couple of 2nd rounders - makes the most sense (we wave Randolph and Koustos). Could also see Jordan going to Milwaukee for George Hill and their 1st rounder (protected 1-25), then a separate trade of Mudiay for Jason Smith. Smith gets waved, Hill gets waved next year. Milwaukee seems much stronger with Jordan anchoring the middle and Brook Lopez coming in for spells when they need scoring.

Not sure who wants Wes... Possible we simply buy him out.


"Dumping" Lance Thomas' 1 mil guaranteed would also be a good return for me. Every dollar will count this summer.
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Post#2058 » by TBri1974 » Fri Feb 1, 2019 10:31 am

Nyk4lyfe wrote:
TBri1974 wrote:I am thinking Jordan to Sacramento - for Randolph, Koustos and a couple of 2nd rounders - makes the most sense (we wave Randolph and Koustos). Could also see Jordan going to Milwaukee for George Hill and their 1st rounder (protected 1-25), then a separate trade of Mudiay for Jason Smith. Smith gets waved, Hill gets waved next year. Milwaukee seems much stronger with Jordan anchoring the middle and Brook Lopez coming in for spells when they need scoring.

Not sure who wants Wes... Possible we simply buy him out.


"Dumping" Lance Thomas' 1 mil guaranteed would also be a good return for me. Every dollar will count this summer.


Maybe. I still see it as doubtful we get the big free agents - as they would be coming to a team where just about every player is on a rookie contract. We're not close enough, and few of the big free agents are young enough to build around long term. I just hope we don't give out more THJ contracts in an effort to 'do something.'
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Post#2059 » by Knicksfan20 » Fri Feb 1, 2019 12:38 pm

My homie telling me AD to LA is basically a guarantee. Its all up to the NOP whether or not they really want to trade into the same conference
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Post#2060 » by Knicksfan20 » Fri Feb 1, 2019 12:41 pm

Knicks trade

Knox
Frank
Thomas
Kanter
2020 pick

for

Bradley Beal
Santoransky


Cousins/Mitchell
Durant/Beasley
Zion/Beez
Beal/Trier
DSjr/vet

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