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Re: The Knicks Scenario 

Post#241 » by Valid » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:55 pm

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Jaqua92 wrote:You think that New York can beat us for Anthony Davis without KP? The first overall pick and their young role players does not beat out all our first round picks, all star player in Tatum and whatever else they want in my opinion

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In my opinion it beats it out. Lets say Zion/DSJ/Knox/a future NY pick and the Dallas pick. I think that tops a Boston offer. Zion is going to have ridiculous value. Not only is he the best prospect since AD (maybe even better), he is the most popular player to enter the league since LeBron. So they get an elite prospect, a couple young guys with potential and some draft picks. Now if you replace Zion with say RJ Barrett, no I think your guys offer will be better. Zion is just the trump card in all of this. His value is going to be that big.

Edit: Just saw that Dallas is throwing in 2 1st round picks, not just 1. So ya NY with Zion/DSJ/Knox plus 3 1st round picks would be the top offer.


They won't need to offer anywhere near that much. If the Knicks get Zion and put him on the table, him alone trumps any other realistic offer. They will not need to add picks or any other young prospects.

Lol no. It doesn't.

A guy who has never played an NBA game is not going to "trump any other offer." It's certainly a really good centerpiece, but come on.
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Re: The Knicks Scenario 

Post#242 » by Duke4life831 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:58 pm

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Jaqua92 wrote:You think that New York can beat us for Anthony Davis without KP? The first overall pick and their young role players does not beat out all our first round picks, all star player in Tatum and whatever else they want in my opinion

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In my opinion it beats it out. Lets say Zion/DSJ/Knox/a future NY pick and the Dallas pick. I think that tops a Boston offer. Zion is going to have ridiculous value. Not only is he the best prospect since AD (maybe even better), he is the most popular player to enter the league since LeBron. So they get an elite prospect, a couple young guys with potential and some draft picks. Now if you replace Zion with say RJ Barrett, no I think your guys offer will be better. Zion is just the trump card in all of this. His value is going to be that big.

Edit: Just saw that Dallas is throwing in 2 1st round picks, not just 1. So ya NY with Zion/DSJ/Knox plus 3 1st round picks would be the top offer.

Can we stop acting lke DSJ is any good?


Im not saying he is all that good. He is a young raw athletic guard that has potential and still adds some trade value.
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Re: The Knicks Scenario 

Post#243 » by Arsenal » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:59 pm

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In my opinion it beats it out. Lets say Zion/DSJ/Knox/a future NY pick and the Dallas pick. I think that tops a Boston offer. Zion is going to have ridiculous value. Not only is he the best prospect since AD (maybe even better), he is the most popular player to enter the league since LeBron. So they get an elite prospect, a couple young guys with potential and some draft picks. Now if you replace Zion with say RJ Barrett, no I think your guys offer will be better. Zion is just the trump card in all of this. His value is going to be that big.

Edit: Just saw that Dallas is throwing in 2 1st round picks, not just 1. So ya NY with Zion/DSJ/Knox plus 3 1st round picks would be the top offer.


They won't need to offer anywhere near that much. If the Knicks get Zion and put him on the table, him alone trumps any other realistic offer. They will not need to add picks or any other young prospects.

Lol no. It doesn't.

A guy who has never played an NBA game is not going to "trump any other offer." It's certainly a really good centerpiece, but come on.


LOL yes it does. It's irrelevant that he hasn't played a game. He is the best prospect to come out since Anthony Davis. That + up to 9 years of contract control EASILY trumps anything the Celtics, or anyone else can offer.
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Re: The Knicks Scenario 

Post#244 » by Valid » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:59 pm

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In my opinion it beats it out. Lets say Zion/DSJ/Knox/a future NY pick and the Dallas pick. I think that tops a Boston offer. Zion is going to have ridiculous value. Not only is he the best prospect since AD (maybe even better), he is the most popular player to enter the league since LeBron. So they get an elite prospect, a couple young guys with potential and some draft picks. Now if you replace Zion with say RJ Barrett, no I think your guys offer will be better. Zion is just the trump card in all of this. His value is going to be that big.

Edit: Just saw that Dallas is throwing in 2 1st round picks, not just 1. So ya NY with Zion/DSJ/Knox plus 3 1st round picks would be the top offer.

Can we stop acting lke DSJ is any good?


Im not saying he is all that good. He is a young raw athletic guard that has potential and still adds some trade value.

He is an athletic guard with severe knee problems. I'll be surprised if he is even in the NBA five years from now.
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Re: The Knicks Scenario 

Post#245 » by truth18 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:04 pm

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They won't need to offer anywhere near that much. If the Knicks get Zion and put him on the table, him alone trumps any other realistic offer. They will not need to add picks or any other young prospects.

Lol no. It doesn't.

A guy who has never played an NBA game is not going to "trump any other offer." It's certainly a really good centerpiece, but come on.


LOL yes it does. It's irrelevant that he hasn't played a game. He is the best prospect to come out since Anthony Davis. That + up to 9 years of contract control EASILY trumps anything the Celtics, or anyone else can offer.


OT but remember when you came here posting about how you would get Zarren?

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Re: The Knicks Scenario 

Post#246 » by Valid » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:06 pm

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They won't need to offer anywhere near that much. If the Knicks get Zion and put him on the table, him alone trumps any other realistic offer. They will not need to add picks or any other young prospects.

Lol no. It doesn't.

A guy who has never played an NBA game is not going to "trump any other offer." It's certainly a really good centerpiece, but come on.


LOL yes it does. It's irrelevant that he hasn't played a game. He is the best prospect to come out since Anthony Davis. That + up to 9 years of contract control EASILY trumps anything the Celtics, or anyone else can offer.

"it's irrelevant that he hasn't played a game."

LMAO. Okay.

I know it must suck to be a 76ers fan and know your team has no shot of winning anything, but is this really how you guys get your kicks?
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Re: The Knicks Scenario 

Post#247 » by Arsenal » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:06 pm

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Valid wrote:Lol no. It doesn't.

A guy who has never played an NBA game is not going to "trump any other offer." It's certainly a really good centerpiece, but come on.


LOL yes it does. It's irrelevant that he hasn't played a game. He is the best prospect to come out since Anthony Davis. That + up to 9 years of contract control EASILY trumps anything the Celtics, or anyone else can offer.


OT but remember when you came here posting about how you would get Zarren?

:lol: :lol: :lol:


I do not recall.

Let's not get off topic here. Zion straight up trumps all other offers, do you agree?
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Re: The Knicks Scenario 

Post#248 » by Valid » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:07 pm

Arsenal wrote:
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Arsenal wrote:
LOL yes it does. It's irrelevant that he hasn't played a game. He is the best prospect to come out since Anthony Davis. That + up to 9 years of contract control EASILY trumps anything the Celtics, or anyone else can offer.


OT but remember when you came here posting about how you would get Zarren?

:lol: :lol: :lol:


I do not recall.

Let's not get off topic here. Zion straight up trumps all other offers, do you agree?

That playoff series was a lot of fun last year, huh?
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Re: The Knicks Scenario 

Post#249 » by thelarrybirdx » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:07 pm

Arsenal wrote:
truth18 wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
LOL yes it does. It's irrelevant that he hasn't played a game. He is the best prospect to come out since Anthony Davis. That + up to 9 years of contract control EASILY trumps anything the Celtics, or anyone else can offer.


OT but remember when you came here posting about how you would get Zarren?

:lol: :lol: :lol:


I do not recall.

Let's not get off topic here. Zion straight up trumps all other offers, do you agree?



Have fun convincing anyone on this forum that a Celtics' package isn't the best
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Re: The Knicks Scenario 

Post#250 » by truth18 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:08 pm

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LOL yes it does. It's irrelevant that he hasn't played a game. He is the best prospect to come out since Anthony Davis. That + up to 9 years of contract control EASILY trumps anything the Celtics, or anyone else can offer.


OT but remember when you came here posting about how you would get Zarren?

:lol: :lol: :lol:


I do not recall.

Let's not get off topic here. Zion straight up trumps all other offers, do you agree?


Fun times. It's gonna be dope linking these posts when the Knicks do nothing.

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Re: The Knicks Scenario 

Post#251 » by Valid » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:08 pm

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Arsenal wrote:
truth18 wrote:
OT but remember when you came here posting about how you would get Zarren?

:lol: :lol: :lol:


I do not recall.

Let's not get off topic here. Zion straight up trumps all other offers, do you agree?



Have fun convincing anyone on this forum that a Celtics' package isn't the best

Except that's not what he even said. He said that Zion alone trumps any other offer. That is blatant stupidity.
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Re: The Knicks Scenario 

Post#252 » by Valid » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:09 pm

truth18 wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
truth18 wrote:
OT but remember when you came here posting about how you would get Zarren?

:lol: :lol: :lol:


I do not recall.

Let's not get off topic here. Zion straight up trumps all other offers, do you agree?


Fun times.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1710391&p=66643059&hilit=zarren#p66643059

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Re: The Knicks Scenario 

Post#253 » by Duke4life831 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:10 pm

Arsenal wrote:
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Arsenal wrote:
LOL yes it does. It's irrelevant that he hasn't played a game. He is the best prospect to come out since Anthony Davis. That + up to 9 years of contract control EASILY trumps anything the Celtics, or anyone else can offer.


OT but remember when you came here posting about how you would get Zarren?

:lol: :lol: :lol:


I do not recall.

Let's not get off topic here. Zion straight up trumps all other offers, do you agree?


Zion by himself? No. Of course they would have to throw in some more. But yes Zion would be by far the biggest single value return compared to anything else rumored. NY would also have DSJ/2 Dallas picks and their own future picks to offer up as well. Zion would easily be the trump card in an AD trade.
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Re: The Knicks Scenario 

Post#254 » by thelarrybirdx » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:10 pm

Valid wrote:
thelarrybirdx wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
I do not recall.

Let's not get off topic here. Zion straight up trumps all other offers, do you agree?



Have fun convincing anyone on this forum that a Celtics' package isn't the best

Except that's not what he even said. He said that Zion alone trumps any other offer. That is blatant stupidity.


Meh, I think an offer centered around Zion is up there with any offer the Celtics have
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Re: The Knicks Scenario 

Post#255 » by Arsenal » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:11 pm

Valid wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
Valid wrote:Lol no. It doesn't.

A guy who has never played an NBA game is not going to "trump any other offer." It's certainly a really good centerpiece, but come on.


LOL yes it does. It's irrelevant that he hasn't played a game. He is the best prospect to come out since Anthony Davis. That + up to 9 years of contract control EASILY trumps anything the Celtics, or anyone else can offer.

"it's irrelevant that he hasn't played a game."

LMAO. Okay.

I know it must suck to be a 76ers fan and know your team has no shot of winning anything, but is this really how you guys get your kicks?


I'm not here to troll. I'm here to educate misinformed fans who don't understand trade value.

Instead of being defensive and lobbing personal attacks since you have no "valid" argument, take this opportunity to learn this aspect of the game.

Zion >>>>>>>> Any Poo Poo Platter the Lakers or the Celtics can offer.
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Re: The Knicks Scenario 

Post#256 » by truth18 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:11 pm

thelarrybirdx wrote:
Valid wrote:
thelarrybirdx wrote:

Have fun convincing anyone on this forum that a Celtics' package isn't the best

Except that's not what he even said. He said that Zion alone trumps any other offer. That is blatant stupidity.


Meh, I think an offer centered around Zion is up there with any offer the Celtics have


HMU when they get that pick.
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Re: The Knicks Scenario 

Post#257 » by Valid » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:12 pm

thelarrybirdx wrote:
Valid wrote:
thelarrybirdx wrote:

Have fun convincing anyone on this forum that a Celtics' package isn't the best

Except that's not what he even said. He said that Zion alone trumps any other offer. That is blatant stupidity.


Meh, I think an offer centered around Zion is up there with any offer the Celtics have

Uh, yeah. CENTERED around Zion. Not Zion by himself. So what are we arguing here?
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Re: The Knicks Scenario 

Post#258 » by thelarrybirdx » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:12 pm

Valid wrote:
thelarrybirdx wrote:
Valid wrote:Except that's not what he even said. He said that Zion alone trumps any other offer. That is blatant stupidity.


Meh, I think an offer centered around Zion is up there with any offer the Celtics have

Uh, yeah. CENTERED around Zion. Not Zion by himself. So what are we arguing here?


I don't know lol. That was just my input
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Re: The Knicks Scenario 

Post#259 » by truth18 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:13 pm

Arsenal wrote:
Valid wrote:
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LOL yes it does. It's irrelevant that he hasn't played a game. He is the best prospect to come out since Anthony Davis. That + up to 9 years of contract control EASILY trumps anything the Celtics, or anyone else can offer.

"it's irrelevant that he hasn't played a game."

LMAO. Okay.

I know it must suck to be a 76ers fan and know your team has no shot of winning anything, but is this really how you guys get your kicks?


I'm not here to troll. I'm here to educate misinformed fans who don't understand trade value.

Instead of being defensive and lobbing personal attacks since you have no "valid" argument,


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Re: The Knicks Scenario 

Post#260 » by Arsenal » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:14 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
truth18 wrote:
OT but remember when you came here posting about how you would get Zarren?

:lol: :lol: :lol:


I do not recall.

Let's not get off topic here. Zion straight up trumps all other offers, do you agree?


Zion by himself? No. Of course they would have to throw in some more. But yes Zion would be by far the biggest single value return compared to anything else rumored. NY would also have DSJ/2 Dallas picks and their own future picks to offer up as well. Zion would easily be the trump card in an AD trade.


I believe you've said yourself that Zion is the best prospect coming out since Davis. Perhaps all the way back to LeBron. So I'm having trouble understanding why you think more would need to be added.

The best comp for this trade would be the Cavs trading #1 overall Andrew Wiggins to Minnesota for Kevin Love. I understand Davis is better than Love, but Zion is also a much better prospect than Wiggins.

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