Kei Igawa claimed by padres

trwi7 · Post #21 » by **trwi7** » Tue Aug 14, 2007 10:56 pm

cmaff051 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Didn't Marquis have a 6.02 ERA last year? What's your point exactly?

5 years, 20 million is a downright bargain for a guy who has the potential to be a #4 or #5 starter when the likes of Jason Marquis are making $7 million a year and Ted Lily is making $10 million a year.

You do realize Ted Lilly has a 3.51 ERA and Jason Marquis has a 4.18 ERA while Igawa has a 6.79 ERA right?

mets87 · Post #22 » by **mets87** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:30 pm

cmaff051 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

5 years, 20 million is a downright bargain for a guy who has the potential to be a #4 or #5 starter when the likes of Jason Marquis are making $7 million a year and Ted Lily is making $10 million a year.

gee, i wonder which owner started the trend of paying people a million dollars to play baseball, leading to outrageous contracts for crappy players?

34Celtic · Post #23 » by **34Celtic** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:50 pm

mets87 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

gee, i wonder which owner started the trend of paying people a million dollars to play baseball, leading to outrageous contracts for crappy players?

Give it a rest. You're made at Steinbrenner Omar Minaya giving Carlos Beltran that contract?

cmaff051 · Post #24 » by **cmaff051** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:57 pm

trwi7 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

You do realize Ted Lilly has a 3.51 ERA and Jason Marquis has a 4.18 ERA while Igawa has a 6.79 ERA right?

You realize that Ted Lily was a career mediocrity in the AL, right? Igawa's ERA would probably be in the 4's if he pitched in the weak NL.

trwi7 · Post #25 » by **trwi7** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:39 pm

cmaff051 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

You realize that Ted Lily was a career mediocrity in the AL, right? Igawa's ERA would probably be in the 4's if he pitched in the weak NL.

Ted Lilly's career ERA in the AL is 4.52, nothing great but average. Kei Igawa just sucks. There's a reason he was sent all the way down to Class A.

Post #26 » by **nykgeneralmanager** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:40 pm

trwi7 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Ted Lilly's career ERA in the AL is 4.52, nothing great but average. Kei Igawa just sucks. There's a reason he was sent all the way down to Class A.

He was sent to class A because that's where the Yankees' facilities are in Tampa so he can be around all of the pitching coordinators of the system and what not to refine his mechanics. So yes, there was a reason. Just not the one you were thinking of. Now he is in Scranton.

trwi7 · Post #27 » by **trwi7** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:18 pm

nykgeneralmanager wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

He was sent to class A because that's where the Yankees' facilities are in Tampa so he can be around all of the pitching coordinators of the system and what not to refine his mechanics. So yes, there was a reason. Just not the one you were thinking of. Now he is in Scranton.

Okay the point still remains he sucked so bad they sent him to the minors.

Post #28 » by **Da Schwab** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:31 am

trwi7 wrote:Okay the point still remains he sucked so bad they sent him to the minors.

I truly think this guy has an upside with the Yankees organization.

He's been sent down to the minors so much because he had to work on his mechanics and control. Every young pitcher has to do that. The Yankees just thought he would be ready because he had experience in Japan.

Still, I wish he wouldn't wear those (Please Use More Appropriate Word) goggles.

Post #29 » by **GYBE** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:53 am

gunnabdaschwab09 wrote:He's been sent down to the minors so much because he had to work on his mechanics and control. Every young pitcher has to do that.

He's 28. Hardly a young pitcher.

34Celtic · Post #30 » by **34Celtic** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:46 pm

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He's 28. Hardly a young pitcher.

He's closer to young than old

Post #31 » by **GYBE** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:26 pm

What would it take for you guys to admit it was a bad signing? A 16 ERA? If he killed a man?

34Celtic · Post #32 » by **34Celtic** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 3:15 pm

GYBE wrote:What would it take for you guys to admit it was a bad signing? A 16 ERA? If he killed a man?

The guy has been in this country for 6 months, in Japan he could live up in the zone because HE HAS GOOD STUFF. If he can learn to get the ball down, and keep it there he will be successful. Not too hard to ask with a little coaching

The Rondo Show · Post #33 » by **The Rondo Show** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 7:44 pm

How exactly does he have "good stuff"? He has a very straight fastball that struggles to hit 90 MPH that he is ALWAYS leaving up in the zone (which is part of the reason he K's batters, as they'll chase the fastball upstairs knowing there is a decent chance they can hit it 450 feet). His changeup is a solid pitch (although, really nothing special--without even factoring in how god awful his command of it is and how often he leaves it up in the zone to get crushed) but it is the only pitch he has that is even an average MLB pitch. He doesn't throw too many curves and when he does, they aren't all that good.

I just don't see how this guy has shown anything other than horrible results, horrible command and below average stuff.