Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVII

[Ruzious]

I guy I know who's proven pretty reputable... yes I have sauces!

But seriously, the guy is telling me KD has already met with Knicks brass quietly and has already tried to sell Kyrie on coming to NY. I knew NY was desperately trying to create two max slots... although I'm surprised how quickly they gave up Porzingis to do so.

If true, that's blatant tampering.

Oh definitely. But I was told this 2 months ago. So the fact the Knicks sacrificed Porzingis to create two max slots tells me this is legit. Plus the guy is the one who Kev confirmed was correct about the Wall/Lakers rumor.

Cool, I am not at all doubting that what you say is true. Very cool that you were able to get that info.

And yes... I will have curly fries with those sauces!

[LyricalRico]

Wow, wasn't expecting the Porzingis trade! Very interesting to see who the Knicks get in free agency (IIRC the last time they did this it didn't work out so well). For the Mavs, I realize KP's knees are a question mark but pairing him with Doncic could be the next big thing.

[gambitx777]

I wonder, if its to a big market like NYC, if John would wave the kicker.
If NYC feel smith jr ca play with john, which they probably could. Kanter and thomas for wall and morris makes a lot of sense. NYC would still have a lot of cap room even with wall. and we actually get better right now for this "playoff push"

[nate33]

I wonder, if its to a big market like NYC, if John would wave the kicker.
If NYC feel smith jr ca play with john, which they probably could. Kanter and thomas for wall and morris makes a lot of sense. NYC would still have a lot of cap room even with wall. and we actually get better right now for this "playoff push"

If they strike out on Kyrie/Kemba/etc., they could then trade raw cap space for John Wall this summer. There's no need for NY to restrict their options now.

[nate33]

I really hope Kyrie stays in Boston. Ainge has done a real nice job building that team and I would hate to see Kyrie undo it just because of a desire to play in the Big Apple. That Celtics team is already a contender, and they're only going to get better.

I also hope Durant comes to New York. That Golden State team needs to get broken up, and I'd like for Durant to pursue a championship on his own team. I'd like to see Kemba Walker join him in New York (or preferably, John Wall). If NY lands a wing like Barrett, that could a pretty nice squad:

PG Kemba/D.Smith
SG Knox/D.Smith
SF Barrett
PF Durant
C Robinson

[NatP4]

Maybe I’m not evaluating the trade correctly, but Dallas gave up a promising young player in DSJR+multiple 1sts+ALOT of cap room in taking on Lee and Hardaway, all for a big guy that shoots 43% and averages 6 rebound shots per game coming off a torn ACL and due a contract extension????

It seems terrible on the surface and brilliant for NY.

They could have one of Zion\Morant+ multiple 1sts in 2021&2023, Dennis Smith Jr, Ntlikina, Mitchell Robinson, Trier, Knox and a ridiculous amount of cap space moving forward. I don’t love that core of young players, but they are doing it the right way.

[NatP4]

How bout this, nate?

Kyrie Trier
Smith Ntilikina
Durant Knox
Zion
Robinson

[NatP4]

I’m fairly certain that most members of this board would accept Deandre Jordan+Dennis Smith Jr+two 1st round picks for John Wall and Ian Mahinmi

That’s brilliant by the Knicks

[nate33]

Maybe I’m not evaluating the trade correctly, but Dallas gave up a promising young player in DSJR+multiple 1sts+ALOT of cap room in taking on Lee and Hardaway, all for a big guy that shoots 43% and averages 6 rebound shots per game coming off a torn ACL and due a contract extension????

That's a fair point.

I think Porzingis was a really exciting and promising player when he joined the league as a rookie. Back then, the idea of a 7-footer shooting so well was so unique. But in the past 2 years, it has suddenly become pretty mundane for 7-footers to step out and nail 3's to provide spacing for others. Is Porzingis such a unicorn when we've got guys like Brook Lopez, Marc Gasol, Jokic, Karl Anthony-Towns and Al Horford shooting 3's on a regular basis?

[payitforward]

Maybe I’m not evaluating the trade correctly, but Dallas gave up a promising young player in DSJR+multiple 1sts+ALOT of cap room in taking on Lee and Hardaway, all for a big guy that shoots 43% and averages 6 rebound shots per game coming off a torn ACL and due a contract extension????

That's a fair point.

I think Porzingis was a really exciting and promising player when he joined the league as a rookie. Back then, the idea of a 7-footer shooting so well was so unique. But in the past 2 years, it has suddenly become pretty mundane for 7-footers to step out and nail 3's to provide spacing for others. Is Porzingis such a unicorn when we've got guys like Brook Lopez, Marc Gasol, Jokic, Karl Anthony-Towns and Al Horford shooting 3's on a regular basis?

I've written any number of times that Porzingis has yet to show that he's any good at all. This is a ridiculous trade for Dallas -- although I don't know how promising Smith is. And I think it's one R1 pick not multiple. Am I wrong about that.

New York made out all the same. But... it's a terrible franchise -- they'll waste the pick.

As to Dallas, they think they've just acquired the next Dirk Nowitzki, obviously. They're wrong.

[ClutchDJ]

Why in the blue hell would anyone play for the 20+ year clown show that is the Knickerbockers on purpose? This isn’t 1990. No one cares about signing with a “big market”. If I wanted to play in New York, I would just go to Brooklyn.

[DCZards]

Why in the blue hell would anyone play for the 20+ year clown show that is the Knickerbockers on purpose? This isn’t 1990. No one cares about signing with a “big market”. If I wanted to play in New York, I would just go to Brooklyn.

The Knicks are still a storied franchise with one of the biggest fanbases in the NBA. Doesn't matter that they've been in the dumps for 20 years. If KD signs with the Knicks I could easily see Kemba or Kyrie joining him. Kyrie has openly talked about playing in NY...and he's not talking about Brooklyn.

And players do care about playing in a "big market." That's one of the reasons that Davis wants out of New Orleans, and why Lonzo Ball has reportedly said that if he's traded two of the three teams he'd want to go to are the Knicks and the Bulls.

Don't underestimate the lure of playing on Broadway.

[ClutchDJ]

Why in the blue hell would anyone play for the 20+ year clown show that is the Knickerbockers on purpose? This isn’t 1990. No one cares about signing with a “big market”. If I wanted to play in New York, I would just go to Brooklyn.

The Knicks are still a storied franchise with one of the biggest fanbases in the NBA. Doesn't matter that they've been in the dumps for 20 years. If KD signs with the Knicks I could easily see Kemba or Kyrie joining him. Kyrie has openly talked about playing in NY...and he's not talking about Brooklyn.

And players do care about playing in a "big market." That's one of the reasons that Davis wants out of New Orleans, and why Lonzo Ball has reportedly said that if he's traded two of the three teams he'd want to go to are the Knicks and the Bulls.

Don't underestimate the lure of playing on Broadway.

“Storied franchise” gotta be one of the biggest propaganda I have seen.

They’ve been a franchise since 1946 with only two titles to show for it, last one coming in 1973.

They have more losses than wins in both the regular season & post season all time. There is nothing “storied” about that. The arena is way more respected than the actual franchise.

We’ll come back to this when the Knickerbockers strike out on KD, Kyrie, & Kemba this year because they know no one gives a damn about playing on “Broadway”.
Amar’e was the only FA to sign with the Knicks & the only reason he came is because they were the only idiots to ignore what the doctors said about his knees.

[trast66]

Decent trade for both. Very Grunfeldian by Knicks, digging out from past mistakes. Dallas is not getting any top tier free agents to sign there, so take a chance KP good and likes it there. Knicks will be terrible for years if no KD.

[dangermouse]

I can see Kyrie signing with NYC. Just has "that" personality.

Not so sure about Durant. I mean why would he? Keep going to the finals/winning chips with W's or leave and go join the Knicks sh*tshow with Kyrie and get eliminated from the playoffs every year by Sixers/Bucks.

[NatP4]

I still don’t really like Knox and Dennis Smith as prospects, but maybe they can flip them for another star after they sign a couple.

[gambitx777]

I wonder, if its to a big market like NYC, if John would wave the kicker.
If NYC feel smith jr ca play with john, which they probably could. Kanter and thomas for wall and morris makes a lot of sense. NYC would still have a lot of cap room even with wall. and we actually get better right now for this "playoff push"

If they strike out on Kyrie/Kemba/etc., they could then trade raw cap space for John Wall this summer. There's no need for NY to restrict their options now.

right on that one. But they would still have a max slot and they dump thomas and get a star, and that puts them on the tank train.

But this KP trade really does go with what I believe is an asset. You can use the value of a player to move another player, even if that player does not have positive trade value.

[gambitx777]

I wonder if they are going to try and stock assets by moving jordan and mathews. those two could help a contender hellp so could Kanter. mathews would look good in a kings jersey and they are making a push. Any team with some expirings would love to have jordan i am sure same with kanter. wish we could make that move.

[nate33]

I still don’t really like Knox and Dennis Smith as prospects, but maybe they can flip them for another star after they sign a couple.

It will take a while for them to build up enough salary ballast to add a third star. They can't trade guys on rookie deals with a combined salary in the neighborhood of $7M for any kind of star that's available.

[nate33]

I wonder if they are going to try and stock assets by moving jordan and mathews. those two could help a contender hellp so could Kanter. mathews would look good in a kings jersey and they are making a push. Any team with some expirings would love to have jordan i am sure same with kanter. wish we could make that move.

Yes. I'm sure they'll look to move those guys for worse players (on expiring contracts) plus whatever 2nd round picks they can get. I'm not sure how much success they'll have. I think most teams will assume that those guys will be bought out and will soon be available for vet minimum contracts off waivers.