The case to trade Kawhi at the deadline and why we should be sellers

MikeM · Post #101 » by **MikeM** » Fri Feb 1, 2019 8:56 pm

TheAlchemist wrote:Houston at one point had Yao Ming AND T-mac. But they retooled.

What did Houston get when they traded Yao and T-Mac?

RoyceDa59 · Post #102 » by **RoyceDa59** » Fri Feb 1, 2019 8:58 pm

We literally need to delete threads like this so Kawhi's team doesn't read them.

To KAWHI LEONARD and his TEAM - We Love you and want you to resign as the greatest Raptor in history. We will immortalize you. This thread does not reflect how our fan base feels, we want you to stay in Toronto.

Delete this thread.

firelogic · Post #103 » by **firelogic** » Fri Feb 1, 2019 9:10 pm

RoyceDa59 wrote:We literally need to delete threads like this so Kawhi's team doesn't read them.

To KAWHI LEONARD and his TEAM - We Love you and want you to resign as the greatest Raptor in history. We will immortalize you. This thread does not reflect how our fan base feels, we want you to stay in Toronto.

Delete this thread.

1. No one from his team reads RealGM.
2. Even if they did, if a fan forum is the tipping point for whether to stay or leave, I don't want a headcase like that anyway.

Kordic27 · Post #104 » by **Kordic27** » Fri Feb 1, 2019 9:15 pm

I've been down with this idea for a while now. The things I believe to be true:
- We won't win it all, and getting the finals will be overachieving.
- Kawhi is gone next year
- Lowry is gone the year after, which isn't even a bad thing as he seems disgruntled and is declining
- We don't actually have a great team - Spicy P is good. JV is fine. Ibaka is fine. Green is fine. and then we go downhill from there. In other words, if we let Kawhi and Lowry walk for nothing, we're not left with a whole lot.

Those are the reasons I'd trade Kawhi and start the quick rebuild. But the other route works as well - trade for Davis (if possible), try to win this year, Kawhi walks in the offseason, and you deal Davis for picks/young guys. Rebuild is on.

Trading Kawhi is not a bad idea - it's ensuring you get some return from a surefire lost asset.

PhilBlackson · Post #105 » by **PhilBlackson** » Fri Feb 1, 2019 9:18 pm

As a random (and highly unlikely) aside I know I would help orchestrate a S&T of Kawhi to the Knicks if they gave us DS Jr, their 2019 and the better of the 2 DAL picks lol just sayin

NoBias · Post #106 » by **NoBias** » Fri Feb 1, 2019 9:24 pm

I dont want to see you wastemans talk bad about JV ever again. It seems like we lose every defensive rebound and give up way too many second chance points that haunt us. JV, is an excellent rebounder.. and when no one seems to be putting up points, he always come clutch for us.

TheAlchemist · Post #107 » by **TheAlchemist** » Fri Feb 1, 2019 10:34 pm

NoBias wrote:I dont want to see you wastemans talk bad about JV ever again. It seems like we lose every defensive rebound and give up way too many second chance points that haunt us. JV, is an excellent rebounder.. and when no one seems to be putting up points, he always come clutch for us.

Not gonna lie, he has been a great player for us and most likely underappreciated.

He sucks defensively in small ball lineups, but boy does he give you a consistent threat and does great in situational lineups.

No matter how modern the NBA turns out to be, having a solid post offensive option is never a bad thing.

TheAlchemist · Post #108 » by **TheAlchemist** » Fri Feb 1, 2019 10:41 pm

PhilBlackson wrote:As a random (and highly unlikely) aside I know I would help orchestrate a S&T of Kawhi to the Knicks if they gave us DS Jr, their 2019 and the better of the 2 DAL picks lol just sayin

There's a picture of Masai in the Knicks head office with a big X on it, cause Dolan's scared of being molested again for the third time lol.

That being said we should of done this a month or two ago, nobody would give that much value. Minus their 2019 pick or heavily protect it and I think they'd do it.

Sakkreth · Post #109 » by **Sakkreth** » Fri Feb 1, 2019 10:44 pm

Flip him for AD, then next year flip AD at the trade deadline for another superstar that has left 1 year on his contract and demands a trade.

OAKLEY_2 · Post #110 » by **OAKLEY_2** » Fri Feb 1, 2019 10:53 pm

Sakkreth wrote:Flip him for AD, then next year flip AD at the trade deadline for another superstar that has left 1 year on his contract and demands a trade.

I think the best shake up deal would be to trade for Jrue and Hill and Miller and send KL, Fred and OG packing. Then we see what can be done with Jrue, Delon, Lloyd or Jrue, Lin, Lloyd. Let fate dictate what happens to Kawhi. We would be in Denver territory post Kawhi but that's better than tanking for five years.

We would have Kawhi, Danny and Hill expiring freeing up about 45 mil. Could be a lot worse.

kieferli · Post #111 » by **kieferli** » Fri Feb 1, 2019 11:11 pm

Michael Jordan · Post #112 » by **Michael Jordan** » Fri Feb 1, 2019 11:12 pm

firelogic wrote:
RoyceDa59 wrote:We literally need to delete threads like this so Kawhi's team doesn't read them.

To KAWHI LEONARD and his TEAM - We Love you and want you to resign as the greatest Raptor in history. We will immortalize you. This thread does not reflect how our fan base feels, we want you to stay in Toronto.

Delete this thread.

1. No one from his team reads RealGM.
2. Even if they did, if a fan forum is the tipping point for whether to stay or leave, I don't want a headcase like that anyway.

3. His team reads the Clippers forum

kieferli · Post #113 » by **kieferli** » Fri Feb 1, 2019 11:13 pm

Sakkreth wrote:Flip him for AD, then next year flip AD at the trade deadline for another superstar that has left 1 year on his contract and demands a trade.

Wtf why NO want Kawhi now for few more month lol

Michael Jordan · Post #114 » by **Michael Jordan** » Fri Feb 1, 2019 11:16 pm

The funny thing is that Kawhi will get boo'd for his 1 game in Toronto each year- but it's not even close to being his fault.

His camp made it clear he wanted to go to LA and he came here and played out the season with an MVP level of performance. As long as he finishes the season he has no reason to be booed.

JC16 · Post #115 » by **JC16** » Fri Feb 1, 2019 11:34 pm

Has it occurred to anyone that while kyle is shooting like **** he gets alot of his shots now off a good screen. Yes hes afraid to shoot in some possession but we really undervalue the nasty picks that JV set that gives him a really good look. THen again i can be in complete denial that lowry is utterly trash now xD but it sure as hell seem like his numbers dipped as soon as JV got injured (along with that back injury)

NotMyKawhi · Post #116 » by **NotMyKawhi** » Fri Feb 1, 2019 11:39 pm

there's only one team that will take him and give back any value and that's the clippers...Tobias is our best bet. no one else is giving up that much for a guarnateed 100% half a year rental

jimmy keys · Post #117 » by **jimmy keys** » Fri Feb 1, 2019 11:46 pm

TheAlchemist wrote:Some of the most immature responses come from this board.

It's like all logic is thrown out by the pure emotion of the moment.

This season showed exactly why a "threadmill" is the basis of a contendor. You build and build until you get a good chance to thrive.

Look at what Dallas just did. Sure they had one bad season, but they retooled quick, with a potential for a Porzingis and Luka lineup.

Houston at one point had Yao Ming AND T-mac. But they retooled.

The whole purpose of this season is to go ALL in. If Lowry is acting like a b**** and is horrible trash now, we haven't gone ALL in.

At this point barring a trade or a miraculous chemistry change between Lowry and Kawhi, the chances of us even going far, are limited.

And how can we prove that we are a franchise worth it for Kawhi at that point?

It's actually having the balls and confidence to see the impending disaster ahead and mitigate it.

If we manage to get one or two players that can turn into stars, with Siakim, you do it.

I, however, agree with some posters that are saying, we go all in now.

No point in holding any assets back if that's the mentality we have.

Rebuilding with Siakim and OG alone sucks. Might as well trade them both for stars then, if we're going all in.

You're not looking at it from Masai's perspective though. Trading for Leonard then shipping him out 6 months later for 10 cents on the dollar is not how top 5 GMs/Presidents operate. It would make him look so bad. It's nice that you have zero confidence in the team, but we're way past the point of no return.

Also the playoffs are a whole different beast altogether, which you don't seem to acknowledge for whatever reason. It's hard to explain to someone who hasn't played sports at a high enough level, but some people just step it up when the pressure is on. I'm not a psychologist so I can't explain myself. Some people are designed for high pressure situations, while most are not. Kawhi is one of those guys who just steps it up when it matters, the complete opposite of the guy he was traded for.

Anyways don't take my word for it, just watch. There are 82 + preseason games and winning 60 or 55 or 50 make zero difference. The real season starts in April. I'm not sweating any team in the East.

Sakkreth · Post #118 » by **Sakkreth** » Fri Feb 1, 2019 11:49 pm

kieferli wrote:
Sakkreth wrote:Flip him for AD, then next year flip AD at the trade deadline for another superstar that has left 1 year on his contract and demands a trade.

Wtf why NO want Kawhi now for few more month lol

Should had a green font I guess lol.

bootsythornton · Post #119 » by **bootsythornton** » Fri Feb 1, 2019 11:52 pm

his body language certainly doesn't look like he wants to stay

jimross · Post #120 » by **jimross** » Fri Feb 1, 2019 11:54 pm

If we cant bring in a legit 2nd option than trading him would probably be the smart thing to do, although it would never happen.