Otto Porter - Part 3

[FAH1223]

2021 is around the corner. Otto as a 28 year old isn't going to get a $100M contract!

[truwizfan4evr]

Porter and ariza lineup will be interesting to keep an eye on.

[80sballboy]

Porter out at least a week with a sprain.

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[truwizfan4evr]

Porter out at least a week with a sprain.

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that's a blow! long as hes getting healthy then we be okay. we should start brown and let sato come off bench.

[dckingsfan]

I don't think he has been healthy since last year. IMO, it has really set back his development.

[closg00]

Get well soon Grimace

[Dark Faze]

Porter and ariza lineup will be interesting to keep an eye on.

im really meh on removing sato from the starting lineup, but I guess we really don't have any backup 1 guards

[dckingsfan]

Porter and ariza lineup will be interesting to keep an eye on.

im really meh on removing sato from the starting lineup, but I guess we really don't have any backup 1 guards

Yeah, Sato has been playing SF these last few games. When Ariza/Porter/Brown take over the SF position, he has to go back to playing guard. And that means backing up Wall/Beal.

But I hear you... the key will be if Brooks continues to play Wall/Beal big minutes or if he cuts there minutes back some.

[FAH1223]

Pretty frustrating season. Otto really needs to work on his game and body this summer.

[Eli Babak]

I love Otto but if we could get a good package for him I wouldn't be against that. He gets hurt too often and you never know what you're getting from him every night (for example you know Beal will put up numbers, Dekker hustles etc.). It's not his fault that Brooklyn offered him a max contract when he's nowhere near worth that. It also seems like he's pretty satisfied with what he is as a player and hasn't improved that much after all.

Sure a better coach would get more out from him but unfortunately it's 100 times more likely that it's Porter who's gone first.

[CobraCommander]

Otto got one more player allstar vote than me. Dude came in 80+ in the eastern conf in allstar voting for forwards....yall need to stop acting like Otto not the problem when he the highest paid wizard this year and he oft hurt and the rest of the world see this dude for what he is... a bust-

Otto seems to be a good dude...but he isnt elite and he paid like he elite- has he ever even been player of the week?

[Induveca]

Next year is his 7th in the league, he’s an inconsistent/hesitant bust. If someone is foolish enough to trade for him? Good riddance.

I’d feel differently at a different draft slot/salary/years played. But he’s a tenured veteran now (next year will be his seventh in the league!), he is what he is.

[payitforward]

I love Otto but if we could get a good package for him I wouldn't be against that. He gets hurt too often and you never know what you're getting from him every night (for example you know Beal will put up numbers, Dekker hustles etc.). It's not his fault that Brooklyn offered him a max contract when he's nowhere near worth that. It also seems like he's pretty satisfied with what he is as a player and hasn't improved that much after all.

Sure a better coach would get more out from him but unfortunately it's 100 times more likely that it's Porter who's gone first.

Otto got one more player allstar vote than me. Dude came in 80+ in the eastern conf in allstar voting for forwards....yall need to stop acting like Otto not the problem when he the highest paid wizard this year and he oft hurt and the rest of the world see this dude for what he is... a bust-

Otto seems to be a good dude...but he isnt elite and he paid like he elite- has he ever even been player of the week?

Next year is his 7th in the league, he’s an inconsistent/hesitant bust. If someone is foolish enough to trade for him? Good riddance.

I’d feel differently at a different draft slot/salary/years played. But he’s a tenured veteran now (next year will be his seventh in the league!), he is what he is.

Each of these posts is BS in different ways. What isn't BS, however, is that Otto is playing pretty badly. That's true. If it's b/c of injury then there's no judgment to be made on his current level of play: wait to see what he's like when he recovers.

If it's not from injury... then what is it from? He's not playing anything like the player he was last year & the year before. IOW, for me at least, injury is the most likely culprit. Of course, players don't always come back from injuries.

As well, one big problem is playing Otto at the 4. It's a mistake. He can give you a few minutes at the 4, but he's not a 4 really. He's a 3.

As to the 3 posts above, they are ridiculous. Both last year & the year before, Otto Porter was one of the best SFs in basketball. Before you expire of frustration at reading that, why don't you compare his 2016-17 & 2017-18 numbers to a few guys you think are good -- lets say Paul George, Andre Iguodala, Gordon Hayward -- those same years.

In fact, until you do that what does it matter what you say? So go ahead.

(But not to Durant, James, Giannis, Butler or Kawhi -- all better than Otto)

[Eli Babak]

1) He gets hurt too often.

2) You never know what you're getting from him every night (for example you know Beal will put up numbers, Dekker hustles etc.).

3) It's not his fault that Brooklyn offered him a max contract when he's nowhere near worth that.

4) It also seems like he's pretty satisfied with what he is as a player and hasn't improved that much after all.

5) Sure a better coach would get more out from him but unfortunately it's 100 times more likely that it's Porter who's gone first.

Let's see what's bs in my post...

1) Okay, he hasn't missed that many games after all, but it just feels like he has these little injuries that bother him a bit too often.

2) That's partly a coaching problem because it's not in Porter's nature to take the ball and be super aggressive. He also isn't very good at creating his own shot. He's been more active with Wall gone so I'd definitely love to have a coach with actual system (or at least better rotations) and have Wall realize that he doesn't need that many shot attempts.

3) That's a fact. I think Wizards tried to sign him to extension but Porter and his agent refused because they knew someone was gonna give him that max. Something like 4/70-80M would've been great.

4) I'm not expert but I watch most Wizards games and you can clearly see how much Beal has worked his game whereas Porter hasn't gained strength or got significantly better with his shot creating ability etc. On the other hand stats tell he did improve a lot between 2015-18 while not really changing his playing style - maybe thanks to his high basketball IQ and willingness to make smart plays. He is ideal role player for any team but unfortunately he is paid like a star.

5) Will Ted pay 14M + new coach's salary or trade Porter to avoid tax/save money? 1) He's happy with making the playoffs, 2) very likely values Wall/Beal more than Porter and 3) thinks Brooks is good enough to reach that goal so...

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You, payitforward, are definitely right about that Otto is a SF who can play some minutes at the 4. I'm not gonna argue about numbers because you love them way too much - but I'd absolutely take Paul George over Porter any day of the week at these salaries.

Of course it's been a rough season for everyone. Ideally we find a way get under tax this season, get a new coach & GM before the draft & FA and pray for injury free season.

[FAH1223]

Just seeing how Giannis transformed his lanky body and seeing how Otto has only gotten marginally bigger kind of pisses me off. Like, you're a pro ball player and this is your job.

Otto is a winning player, there's no doubt about that. He plays the game the right way. But he can be so much better. Everyone says it but he doesn't realize how good he is and how much better he should be.

[CobraCommander]

I love Otto but if we could get a good package for him I wouldn't be against that. He gets hurt too often and you never know what you're getting from him every night (for example you know Beal will put up numbers, Dekker hustles etc.). It's not his fault that Brooklyn offered him a max contract when he's nowhere near worth that. It also seems like he's pretty satisfied with what he is as a player and hasn't improved that much after all.

Sure a better coach would get more out from him but unfortunately it's 100 times more likely that it's Porter who's gone first.

Otto got one more player allstar vote than me. Dude came in 80+ in the eastern conf in allstar voting for forwards....yall need to stop acting like Otto not the problem when he the highest paid wizard this year and he oft hurt and the rest of the world see this dude for what he is... a bust-

Otto seems to be a good dude...but he isnt elite and he paid like he elite- has he ever even been player of the week?

Next year is his 7th in the league, he’s an inconsistent/hesitant bust. If someone is foolish enough to trade for him? Good riddance.

I’d feel differently at a different draft slot/salary/years played. But he’s a tenured veteran now (next year will be his seventh in the league!), he is what he is.

Each of these posts is BS in different ways. What isn't BS, however, is that Otto is playing pretty badly. That's true. If it's b/c of injury then there's no judgment to be made on his current level of play: wait to see what he's like when he recovers.

If it's not from injury... then what is it from? He's not playing anything like the player he was last year & the year before. IOW, for me at least, injury is the most likely culprit. Of course, players don't always come back from injuries.

As well, one big problem is playing Otto at the 4. It's a mistake. He can give you a few minutes at the 4, but he's not a 4 really. He's a 3.

As to the 3 posts above, they are ridiculous. Both last year & the year before, Otto Porter was one of the best SFs in basketball. Before you expire of frustration at reading that, why don't you compare his 2016-17 & 2017-18 numbers to a few guys you think are good -- lets say Paul George, Andre Iguodala, Gordon Hayward -- those same years.

In fact, until you do that what does it matter what you say? So go ahead.

(But not to Durant, James, Giannis, Butler or Kawhi -- all better than Otto)

Ottos never been one of the best small forwards in basketball. You got your fan glasses on...your ADVANCED stats glasses on that dont allow you to be objective. On a team like the wizards where they have ONE scorer his points, assist and rebounds are just blah. You know who Paul George is right? Heard of Durant, Butler and Lebron...but the real point to me is Jason Tatum who has BLOWN past Otto to me. The best SFs in the nba make allstar games...so let me guess. Its the coaches fault or john wall or maybe its Beals. Otto has injuries...ok...thats fine- but his body is his business - his injuries are unfortuate- but I hold Otto to the same standard as the rest of the guys - Luka is a Small forward too. At some point the 26 million dollar man gonna have to make a difference in the standings. Especially considering JW gonna be gone next year and NO FA coming here. So they will move Wall and have Beal and Otto to build around with draft picks- if they get Erine type picks for wall it will be second rounders- So you can think my post is BS...fine- if you think Otto is a diffference maker for 26 mil a year (MORE THAN BEAL and WALL this Year) fine- Otto is a ok player but not playing and when he plays he is timid and get LOST in the game- doesnt impose his will on the game EVER...lets the game come to him...but after all these years...the game isnt going to come to him. When the team is Beal and Otto- teams are going to key on Otto and he will give you 12 a game just like before.... Otto is Joe Engles good...at best- while people are asking why Tatum (WHO IS BETTER THAT OTTO) hasn’t gotten better this year...and NO ONE is talking about Otto expecting more- because they know he is what he is...a good/aight role player on a bad/allstar contract

You do you man but I’m not falling for Otto as a star- Otto like Wall next year - is overpaid for the contribution that they provide in a salary capped league where they are outside the playoffs.

BTW- i will bet you any money you want that Otto never Avgs 20 a game in his career, makes a allstar team and that THIS is his biggest contract ever...

[CobraCommander]

Just seeing how Giannis transformed his lanky body and seeing how Otto has only gotten marginally bigger kind of pisses me off. Like, you're a pro ball player and this is your job.

Otto is a winning player, there's no doubt about that. He plays the game the right way. But he can be so much better. Everyone says it but he doesn't realize how good he is and how much better he should be.

When will we realize that dude is happy to be rich as &&&& and is just quiet about his partying but isnt overly concerned about winning?

You think Otto doesn’t realize when he walks on the floor how good he “could be”? Its his job and the wiz, like all pro teams, have the best analytics people around Otto making sure he is knows where he is the most effective. Otto is smart by not making any waves- he is chilling and not saying anything offensive. Hustles, doesnt complain and plays the game the right way—-but doesnt win.

[nate33]

Just seeing how Giannis transformed his lanky body and seeing how Otto has only gotten marginally bigger kind of pisses me off. Like, you're a pro ball player and this is your job.

Otto is a winning player, there's no doubt about that. He plays the game the right way. But he can be so much better. Everyone says it but he doesn't realize how good he is and how much better he should be.

This is a fair criticism.

I like Otto and I like that he plays "the right way". But it is true that he could do much more, and that starts with his body. Porter was never a gifted athlete in terms of lateral quickness or leaping ability. As a result, he's never really going to have the necessary "wiggle" in his game to break down opposing small forwards off the dribble. But he could become a star player if he could move to PF full time. As a PF, his range will be an even bigger asset for floor spacing, and he will match up athletically with opposing power forwards much better, enough to have a useful dribble drive game to complement his shooting. What he needs to do is get stronger - a lot stronger. And he has shown very little progress down that path.

Maybe this criticism is unfounded. I suppose it's possible that he is training extremely hard and eating the right foods to gain weight, but it's just not happening because of his genetics. But I'm skeptical. Almost anyone at that age can put on weight if they work at it under the right tutelage.

[DCZards]

When will we realize that dude is happy to be rich as &&&& and is just quiet about his partying but isnt overly concerned about winning?

You think Otto doesn’t realize when he walks on the floor how good he “could be”? Its his job and the wiz, like all pro teams, have the best analytics people around Otto making sure he is knows where he is the most effective. Otto is smart by not making any waves- he is chilling and not saying anything offensive. Hustles, doesnt complain and plays the game the right way—-but doesnt win.

I disagree with the stuff about Otto not working on his body and trying to get stronger. I see increased muscle and muscle tone in Porter from year to year. However, I don't think OP has the physical makeup to get as strong (or look as muscular) as say a Giannis. He simply does not have that kind of body (think Tayshaun Prince).

However, I do share the frustration with Otto's game and his inability to take it to the next level. He's still not aggressive enough on the offensive end and he needs to get a whole lot better at creating shots for himself and his teammates. OP is certainly not playing up to the level of a max salary, peak of career SF.

And, regardless of what the #s might say, Otto has never been close to being as good a player as Paul George...who can and will take over games for his team, which is something that Porter rarely, if ever, does.

Could the problem be OP's nagging and frequent injuries? Maybe...at least to some extent. But I seriously doubt that Otto's lack of development is because he's "about partying."

[JWizmentality]

I love Otto but if we could get a good package for him I wouldn't be against that. He gets hurt too often and you never know what you're getting from him every night (for example you know Beal will put up numbers, Dekker hustles etc.). It's not his fault that Brooklyn offered him a max contract when he's nowhere near worth that. It also seems like he's pretty satisfied with what he is as a player and hasn't improved that much after all.

Sure a better coach would get more out from him but unfortunately it's 100 times more likely that it's Porter who's gone first.

Otto got one more player allstar vote than me. Dude came in 80+ in the eastern conf in allstar voting for forwards....yall need to stop acting like Otto not the problem when he the highest paid wizard this year and he oft hurt and the rest of the world see this dude for what he is... a bust-

Otto seems to be a good dude...but he isnt elite and he paid like he elite- has he ever even been player of the week?

Next year is his 7th in the league, he’s an inconsistent/hesitant bust. If someone is foolish enough to trade for him? Good riddance.

I’d feel differently at a different draft slot/salary/years played. But he’s a tenured veteran now (next year will be his seventh in the league!), he is what he is.

Each of these posts is BS in different ways. What isn't BS, however, is that Otto is playing pretty badly. That's true. If it's b/c of injury then there's no judgment to be made on his current level of play: wait to see what he's like when he recovers.

If it's not from injury... then what is it from? He's not playing anything like the player he was last year & the year before. IOW, for me at least, injury is the most likely culprit. Of course, players don't always come back from injuries.

As well, one big problem is playing Otto at the 4. It's a mistake. He can give you a few minutes at the 4, but he's not a 4 really. He's a 3.

As to the 3 posts above, they are ridiculous. Both last year & the year before, Otto Porter was one of the best SFs in basketball. Before you expire of frustration at reading that, why don't you compare his 2016-17 & 2017-18 numbers to a few guys you think are good -- lets say Paul George, Andre Iguodala, Gordon Hayward -- those same years.

In fact, until you do that what does it matter what you say? So go ahead.

(But not to Durant, James, Giannis, Butler or Kawhi -- all better than Otto)

Ottos never been one of the best small forwards in basketball. You got your fan glasses on...your ADVANCED stats glasses on that dont allow you to be objective. On a team like the wizards where they have ONE scorer his points, assist and rebounds are just blah. You know who Paul George is right? Heard of Durant, Butler and Lebron...but the real point to me is Jason Tatum who has BLOWN past Otto to me. The best SFs in the nba make allstar games...so let me guess. Its the coaches fault or john wall or maybe its Beals. Otto has injuries...ok...thats fine- but his body is his business - his injuries are unfortuate- but I hold Otto to the same standard as the rest of the guys - Luka is a Small forward too. At some point the 26 million dollar man gonna have to make a difference in the standings. Especially considering JW gonna be gone next year and NO FA coming here. So they will move Wall and have Beal and Otto to build around with draft picks- if they get Erine type picks for wall it will be second rounders- So you can think my post is BS...fine- if you think Otto is a diffference maker for 26 mil a year (MORE THAN BEAL and WALL this Year) fine- Otto is a ok player but not playing and when he plays he is timid and get LOST in the game- doesnt impose his will on the game EVER...lets the game come to him...but after all these years...the game isnt going to come to him. When the team is Beal and Otto- teams are going to key on Otto and he will give you 12 a game just like before.... Otto is Joe Engles good...at best- while people are asking why Tatum (WHO IS BETTER THAT OTTO) hasn’t gotten better this year...and NO ONE is talking about Otto expecting more- because they know he is what he is...a good/aight role player on a bad/allstar contract

You do you man but I’m not falling for Otto as a star- Otto like Wall next year - is overpaid for the contribution that they provide in a salary capped league where they are outside the playoffs.

BTW- i will bet you any money you want that Otto never Avgs 20 a game in his career, makes a allstar team and that THIS is his biggest contract ever...

+1000

Advanced stats is how you end up paying a guy averaging 10pts 4 rbs for his career freakin $30 mil. But don't worry, advanced stats says he's a 20/10 guy if we adjust for pace and whatnot. Meanwhile old man Jeff Green beats or matches his output when starting or from the bench.