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Re: Anthony Davis requests trade, part 3 

Post#241 » by Scarletfire81 » Sat Feb 2, 2019 6:27 pm

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Captain_Caveman wrote:I just had a terrible thought. Kyrie can basically force an AD to NY trade by telling Ainge that he is not resigning with us.

Sigh.



That's assuming they get #1 pick. But can't Ainge force Kyrie to stay by saying he's trading for AD no matter what?


No, I literally think it works regardless of where that pick comes in. We are not offering Tatum for an AD rental if Kyrie is not here. Knicks would have the best offer by default.



Ok here's the scenario, if KD announces he's resigning with the warriors before July 1st, Pels accept the trade offer by the Celtics, do you really think Kyrie would still sign with the knicks? I give him zero chance to do that.
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Re: Anthony Davis requests trade, part 3 

Post#242 » by The Corey's » Sat Feb 2, 2019 6:28 pm

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Jaqua92 wrote:Thats an extreme. The belief is that if Kyrie is here, Danny and he can sway him. Gotta get him here first. Its a risk Danny and most of us are okay with.

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This is a terrible take. You dont trade you're entire team for a guy who can bolt in a year just because you think you can talk him into staying.

And this blatantly ignores the fact that Irving him self chose NOT to just end the media speculation that hes leaving. If Irving said yesterday I'm staying, instead of saying ask me in July then this point makes sense.

He didnt so it doesnt. If irving wont commit publically (I know he has already but hes also publically announced his indecision) then how is that a positive sign that we can convince davis?

Do we really want to he in a situation where in a year Davis bolts and Irving demands a trade because our team is effectively depleated?


Kyrie did sort of end it. He said the plan is the same, he believes in what Boston has to offer and they are still at the head of the race.

As far as your direct response..yes, It would be a bad take, as we would need to only beat out LA's or NY's offer. The pronlem is, I said nothing about trading the entire team. Lol. In fact, I said nothing about a trade package. I haven't even formed one..I just spoke of the supposed mindset of Danny, and how any confidence he has in resigning Davis has given some fans the same confidence.

It would appear you already had a response in mind, and were generalizing and responding to a bad take I did not make. Not sure why you jumped the gun on that..but I'm assuming its fustrating for you to see your fellow fans, fans who you represent, make such claims about trading for a player that you don't agree with. I totally feel you on that. You want us to see the fault in this logic. But maybe it's too strong. I mean this in the most polite way possible, but take a breath man, relax a little bit. I doubt this team is going to be screwed, regardless

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Im not generalizing you, I'm using the consensus of this board that its gonna take all our assets to even get him.

If you can get Davis without giving up Tatum then I'm all in on taking the chance. If you cant, which most here believe, then its not worth the risk.
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Re: Anthony Davis requests trade, part 3 

Post#243 » by Jaqua92 » Sat Feb 2, 2019 6:32 pm

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This is a terrible take. You dont trade you're entire team for a guy who can bolt in a year just because you think you can talk him into staying.

And this blatantly ignores the fact that Irving him self chose NOT to just end the media speculation that hes leaving. If Irving said yesterday I'm staying, instead of saying ask me in July then this point makes sense.

He didnt so it doesnt. If irving wont commit publically (I know he has already but hes also publically announced his indecision) then how is that a positive sign that we can convince davis?

Do we really want to he in a situation where in a year Davis bolts and Irving demands a trade because our team is effectively depleated?


Kyrie did sort of end it. He said the plan is the same, he believes in what Boston has to offer and they are still at the head of the race.

As far as your direct response..yes, It would be a bad take, as we would need to only beat out LA's or NY's offer. The pronlem is, I said nothing about trading the entire team. Lol. In fact, I said nothing about a trade package. I haven't even formed one..I just spoke of the supposed mindset of Danny, and how any confidence he has in resigning Davis has given some fans the same confidence.

It would appear you already had a response in mind, and were generalizing and responding to a bad take I did not make. Not sure why you jumped the gun on that..but I'm assuming its fustrating for you to see your fellow fans, fans who you represent, make such claims about trading for a player that you don't agree with. I totally feel you on that. You want us to see the fault in this logic. But maybe it's too strong. I mean this in the most polite way possible, but take a breath man, relax a little bit. I doubt this team is going to be screwed, regardless

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Im not generalizing you, I'm using the consensus of this board that its gonna take all our assets to even get him.

If you can get Davis without giving up Tatum then I'm all in on taking the chance. If you cant, which most here believe, then its not worth the risk.
So you were venting rhetorically then, gotcha. I agree. I don't think we need to give up the house, and we shouldnt.

Danny is confident in getting Davis to stay, thus we are too. I dont think Tatum, Smart and Brown is whats necessary to get it done. We'll see what happens this off season.

But if this trade goes through, I expect one of Brown or Tatum to still be here. Probably will be Brown. And realistically, regardless of what we all want, Tatum is probably gone in a trade for AD, unfortunately

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Re: Anthony Davis requests trade, part 3 

Post#244 » by ParticleMan » Sat Feb 2, 2019 6:36 pm

man, Friday can't come fast enough. AD will still be a pel, and the angst and panic will die down for at least a few months.

it would only genuinely start again for me if the knicks land the #1. then AD is theirs for the taking, and there's a good chance we'd be screwed.
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Re: Anthony Davis requests trade, part 3 

Post#245 » by Captain_Caveman » Sat Feb 2, 2019 6:37 pm

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That's assuming they get #1 pick. But can't Ainge force Kyrie to stay by saying he's trading for AD no matter what?


No, I literally think it works regardless of where that pick comes in. We are not offering Tatum for an AD rental if Kyrie is not here. Knicks would have the best offer by default.



Ok here's the scenario, if KD announces he's resigning with the warriors before July 1st, Pels accept the trade offer by the Celtics, do you really think Kyrie would still sign with the knicks? I give him zero chance to do that.


It could very well come down to a game of chicken between the Celtics and Kyrie. Pretend KD to the Knicks is a given, and the Knicks do not get the #1 pick. We go to Kyrie and tell him we have a deal in place for AD featured around Tatum. Kyrie says, "That's cool, I'm signing with the Knicks."

Who blinks?

If we decide it is too much risk and pull Tatum out of the offer, the Knicks likely get him. If we keep Tatum in the deal and consummate it, what does Kyrie do? Join the Knicks with KD and a top 5 pick, or stay in Boston with AD?

This is high stakes poker we are talking about.

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Re: Anthony Davis requests trade, part 3 

Post#246 » by GoCeltics123 » Sat Feb 2, 2019 6:38 pm

Captain_Caveman wrote:I just had a terrible thought. Kyrie can basically force an AD to NY trade by telling Ainge that he is not resigning with us.

Sigh.

Would be a big jump, from committing to stay to stating there's no way he will.

Of course it's possible, but that'd be a massive jump to make in one year. Feels like it'd be foolish of him to not keep the door open to us.
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Re: Anthony Davis requests trade, part 3 

Post#247 » by Curmudgeon » Sat Feb 2, 2019 6:40 pm

All of this assumes, of course, that Kyrie will still be a Celtic after next Thursday.
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Re: Anthony Davis requests trade, part 3 

Post#248 » by Scarletfire81 » Sat Feb 2, 2019 6:41 pm

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No, I literally think it works regardless of where that pick comes in. We are not offering Tatum for an AD rental if Kyrie is not here. Knicks would have the best offer by default.



Ok here's the scenario, if KD announces he's resigning with the warriors before July 1st, Pels accept the trade offer by the Celtics, do you really think Kyrie would still sign with the knicks? I give him zero chance to do that.


It could very well come down to a game of chicken between the Celtics and Kyrie. Pretend KD to the Knicks is a given, and the Knicks do not get the #1 pick. We go to Kyrie and tell him we have a deal in place for AD featured around Tatum. Kyrie says, "That's cool, I'm signing with the Knicks."

Who blinks?

If we decide it is too much risk and pull Tatum out of the offer, the Knicks likely get him. If we keep Tatum in the deal and consummate it, what does Kyrie do? Join the Knicks with KD and a top 5 pick, or stay in Boston with AD?

This is high stakes poker we are talking about.



If KD signs with the knicks then Kyrie has some leverage. But doesn't that take the knicks out of the running for AD? Can they get KD, AD, and Kyrie capwise?
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Post#249 » by Mr Loggins » Sat Feb 2, 2019 6:41 pm

Bohemian wrote:I need a trade or some good rumors. I am tired of the negativity



you want Rodney Hood?
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Re: Anthony Davis requests trade, part 3 

Post#250 » by Valid » Sat Feb 2, 2019 6:43 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:All of this assumes, of course, that Kyrie will still be a Celtic after next Thursday.

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Re: Anthony Davis requests trade, part 3 

Post#251 » by Valid » Sat Feb 2, 2019 6:44 pm

Captain_Caveman wrote:
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No, I literally think it works regardless of where that pick comes in. We are not offering Tatum for an AD rental if Kyrie is not here. Knicks would have the best offer by default.



Ok here's the scenario, if KD announces he's resigning with the warriors before July 1st, Pels accept the trade offer by the Celtics, do you really think Kyrie would still sign with the knicks? I give him zero chance to do that.


It could very well come down to a game of chicken between the Celtics and Kyrie. Pretend KD to the Knicks is a given, and the Knicks do not get the #1 pick. We go to Kyrie and tell him we have a deal in place for AD featured around Tatum. Kyrie says, "That's cool, I'm signing with the Knicks."

Who blinks?

If we decide it is too much risk and pull Tatum out of the offer, the Knicks likely get him. If we keep Tatum in the deal and consummate it, what does Kyrie do? Join the Knicks with KD and a top 5 pick, or stay in Boston with AD?

This is high stakes poker we are talking about.


Highly, highly doubt that Kyrie says "nah I'm out" if we explicitly tell him we have a deal in place for Davis.
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Re: Anthony Davis requests trade, part 3 

Post#252 » by Valid » Sat Feb 2, 2019 6:45 pm

Jesus. It's only February. This is gonna be a looooong five months.

Funniest thing is we are playing our best ball of the season right now and we aren't even paying attention. lol
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Re: Anthony Davis requests trade, part 3 

Post#253 » by Bohemian » Sat Feb 2, 2019 6:47 pm

Mr Loggins wrote:
Bohemian wrote:I need a trade or some good rumors. I am tired of the negativity



you want Rodney Hood?




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Re: Anthony Davis requests trade, part 3 

Post#254 » by Scarletfire81 » Sat Feb 2, 2019 6:49 pm

A part of me thinks that Kyrie has to act kind of pissed of what's going on right now. If he isn't upset he may lose the lockerroom. Meaning Tatum and Brown know they might be traded for AD. Let's face it Kyrie is partly to blame in their eyes for the trade. If Kyrie acts like everything is great they may be kind of annoyed by it. Just a thought.
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Re: Anthony Davis requests trade, part 3 

Post#255 » by GoCeltics123 » Sat Feb 2, 2019 6:50 pm

Mr Loggins wrote:
Bohemian wrote:I need a trade or some good rumors. I am tired of the negativity



you want Rodney Hood?

Sure.

Here's a ham sandwich for him.
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Re: Anthony Davis requests trade, part 3 

Post#256 » by Captain_Caveman » Sat Feb 2, 2019 6:50 pm

Scarletfire81 wrote:If KD signs with the knicks then Kyrie has some leverage. But doesn't that take the knicks out of the running for AD? Can they get KD, AD, and Kyrie capwise?


Yes, provided AD waives his trade kicker. Exactly enough cap room for KD and Kyrie, would still be able to offer NO their top 5 pick, Knox, DSJ, Ntilikina, Mitchell, and future 1st rounders from Dallas.

We likely cannot beat that offer if the pick comes in at #1. If it comes in 2 or 3, we can likely beat it, but only if we go hard.
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Re: Anthony Davis requests trade, part 3 

Post#257 » by KGtabake » Sat Feb 2, 2019 6:51 pm

Ι don't know if AD's father is a good or a bad person, if he's smart or dumb.
What i do know is that calling him with names on IG/twitter is not going to help the celtics.
For me AD is a done story and Cs should not waste more time with him.
But if some fellow fans think otherwise, at least they should use their brains.
Going against his father on the internet, is not a smart reaction.
Just my two cents.
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Re: Anthony Davis requests trade, part 3 

Post#258 » by K For Three » Sat Feb 2, 2019 6:52 pm

Valid wrote:Jesus. It's only February. This is gonna be a looooong five months.

Funniest thing is we are playing our best ball of the season right now and we aren't even paying attention. lol

Still a pretty high chance IMO this team makes it to the the finals, at least ECFs. No matter what anyone says, they will put the crap aside to win games in the end as professionals.
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Re: Anthony Davis requests trade, part 3 

Post#259 » by Captain_Caveman » Sat Feb 2, 2019 6:52 pm

Valid wrote:Highly, highly doubt that Kyrie says "nah I'm out" if we explicitly tell him we have a deal in place for Davis.


Maybe, but are you hearing the part where he can potentially steer AD from Boston to NY in doing so?

Might not even be an idle threat if he wants to go play with KD, plus the top 5 pick/Knox or whatever third star they can get by trading those guys.
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Re: Anthony Davis requests trade, part 3 

Post#260 » by Homerclease » Sat Feb 2, 2019 6:54 pm

Captain_Caveman wrote:
Valid wrote:Highly, highly doubt that Kyrie says "nah I'm out" if we explicitly tell him we have a deal in place for Davis.


Maybe, but are you hearing the part where he can potentially steer AD from Boston to NY in doing so?

Might not even be an idle threat if he wants to go play with KD, plus the top 5 pick/Knox or whatever third star they can get by trading those guys.

For a guy who dislikes Jaylen Browns game so much, I have no idea what you see in Knox. He’s a worse Jaylen Brown in every facet of basketball

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