FA/Trade Rumors & Discussion - Durant, Kyrie, AD, etc

[magnumt]

Please continue your discussions & tweets here. Thanks!

Unless it’s breaking news, it will also be merged into here as well to help declutter the board.

—Mags

[SARGO127]

Like this post to ensure we sign KD and Kyrie and get Zion

[Blue Ninja]

To the tweets that Knicks did little to canvas the league for KP trades. I'm sure the Knicks had very specific things in mind in what they wanted (cap space, draft picks) and very few teams that could give them that. I see no reason to hit up Toronto, GS, Orlando, etc etc when only a select few have what you desire.

[SelbyCobra]

I get it, it's the same everywhere, this is not a NY thing. If anything, fans in the US are tame and civilized compared to the rest of the world. You had people burning Lebron jerseys when he bolted to Miami, and most people laughed at that. In Europe, players have their families threatened if they transfer to the wrong team. They get spat on, have coins and lighters thrown at them during the game. I even saw a cellphone land on the court one time.

I just think it's pointless to get worked up about it. He got what he wanted, Knicks got what they wanted, it's over. No need to make it personal when it really isn't.

It'll be best when everyone moves on, but Porzingis' actions since he came here are what makes this personal to NYC.

It's not about his petulant attitude, immaturity, or passive aggression. Those are annoying and a potential harbinger of worse to come, but not what made this "personal", IMO.

What did that was the way Kristaps clung to NYC mannerisms and style in public in order to ingratiate himself to fans and boost his image. I think most people cringed a little, but in the end loved it - or even tolerated it - because he was "our guy" and it showed he wanted to be here.

I'm talking about him using social media to pose with Timbs on, calling people "b", and using "deadass" and "facts" unironically. That might seem like inconsequential stuff to you, but those are highly specific cultural things to NYC that don't matter much beyond "yo, this dude is a cornball" at worst if you think the guy is harmless or on your side, but once he gets petty, disruptive, and attempts to dictate to you while checking out of the city it's going to justifiably spawn vitriol.

You were out here not getting checked on your foreign-kid-in-NYC routine because you held an important position and really seemed to be trying hard to be a part of things. It was cute that someone from such a different culture came to the bright lights and appeared to be going all in on the experience. But when it turns out that it was mostly fraudulent then yeah, the bill comes due and it's personal for a while - if not forever.

Watch on YouTube

Then on the way out you use "stay woke" - again, unironically - you're going to get rightfully slaughtered by the city. You are not one of us, you are not part of this. It's time to move on to appropriating "y'all", "fixin'", "right quick", and "bless your heart".

[magnumt]

To the tweets that Knicks did little to canvas the league for KP trades. I'm sure the Knicks had very specific things in mind in what they wanted (cap space, draft picks) and very few teams that could give them that. I see no reason to hit up Toronto, GS, Orlando, etc etc when only a select few have what you desire.

That **** was false what Mannix said. ESPN didn’t do enough due diligence as journalists there too.

There were many reports that Perry kept it under wraps for weeks to months as he did his own due diligence and explored trades. Something like NINE Teams he spoke to just to get an idea of what he could get.

Theeeeeeen he called Porzingis into his office Wednesday to directly ask Porzingis what he wants to do and know where he stood. Once Porzingis said he wanted to be traded, Perry executed ONE of the trades he had been discussing (it also helped that the Mavs had been in town for a game).

ESPN and some of the journalists are just mad that Perry was able to close leaks and keep it soooooooooo much under wraps. Including the prick Woj.

—Mags

[Rasho Brezec]

I get it, it's the same everywhere, this is not a NY thing. If anything, fans in the US are tame and civilized compared to the rest of the world. You had people burning Lebron jerseys when he bolted to Miami, and most people laughed at that. In Europe, players have their families threatened if they transfer to the wrong team. They get spat on, have coins and lighters thrown at them during the game. I even saw a cellphone land on the court one time.

I just think it's pointless to get worked up about it. He got what he wanted, Knicks got what they wanted, it's over. No need to make it personal when it really isn't.

It'll be best when everyone moves on, but Porzingis' actions since he came here are what makes this personal to NYC.

It's not about his petulant attitude, immaturity, or passive aggression. Those are annoying and a potential harbinger of worse to come, but not what made this "personal", IMO.

What did that was the way Kristaps clung to NYC mannerisms and style in public in order to ingratiate himself to fans and boost his image. I think most people cringed a little, but in the end loved it - or even tolerated it - because he was "our guy" and it showed he wanted to be here.

I'm talking about him using social media to pose with Timbs on, calling people "b", and using "deadass" and "facts" unironically. That might seem like inconsequential stuff to you, but those are highly specific cultural things to NYC that don't matter much beyond "yo, this dude is a cornball" at worst if you think the guy is harmless or on your side, but once he gets petty, disruptive, and attempts to dictate to you while checking out of the city it's going to justifiably spawn vitriol.

You were out here not getting checked on your foreign-kid-in-NYC routine because you held an important position and really seemed to be trying hard to be a part of things. It was cute that someone from such a different culture came to the bright lights and appeared to be going all in on the experience. But when it turns out that it was mostly fraudulent then yeah, the bill comes due and it's personal for a while - if not forever.

Watch on YouTube

Then on the way out you use "stay woke" - again, unironically - you're going to get rightfully slaughtered by the city. You are not one of us, you are not part of this. It's time to move on to appropriating "y'all", "fixin'", "right quick", and "bless your heart".

I definitely noticed him embracing the culture like his own. I just didn't think he was doing it to ingratiate himself like Kanter is doing. Because it's been well documented before the draft how he loves the American culture. We all remember that picture of him as a kid with the AI cornrows. Somehow I don't think he was playing the long con from such a young age.

[Clyde_Style]

To the tweets that Knicks did little to canvas the league for KP trades. I'm sure the Knicks had very specific things in mind in what they wanted (cap space, draft picks) and very few teams that could give them that. I see no reason to hit up Toronto, GS, Orlando, etc etc when only a select few have what you desire.

Yeah, Perry clearly plans things out in terms of years, not hours. Anyone suggesting he didn't run the trade checker on every single possible proposal for every team in the league is tripping.

The whole point of being able to act fast and pull the trigger is that you've considered every angle already so you know what you're doing when things heat up.

It is obvious Perry was planning how to unload Tim and Lee for a long time now. There was nothing random or spontaneous about this trade other than being always ready to talk turkey with another GM at a minute's notice.

[Clyde_Style]

To the tweets that Knicks did little to canvas the league for KP trades. I'm sure the Knicks had very specific things in mind in what they wanted (cap space, draft picks) and very few teams that could give them that. I see no reason to hit up Toronto, GS, Orlando, etc etc when only a select few have what you desire.

That **** was false what Mannix said. ESPN didn’t do enough due diligence as journalists there too.

There were many reports that Perry kept it under wraps for weeks to months as he did his own due diligence and explored trades. Something like NINE Teams he spoke to just to get an idea of what he could get.

Theeeeeeen he called Porzingis into his office Wednesday to directly ask Porzingis what he wants to do and know where he stood. Once Porzingis said he wanted to be traded, Perry executed ONE of the trades he had been discussing (it also helped that the Mavs had been in town for a game).

ESPN and some of the journalists are just mad that Perry was able to close leaks and keep it soooooooooo much under wraps. Including the prick Woj.

—Mags

Perry really did this as covertly as could be expected. He's good at this stuff

[NoLayupRule]

It feels like a betrayal by Kp largely because he left and we’re still here. But the front office has betrayed us as well.

It’s reasonable that a player would go through what he’s been through and see a mess of a franchise.

Plus Europeans don’t understand tanking. It doesn’t exist in European sports.

That doesn’t excuse him. But it helps explain him.

[SelbyCobra]

I get it, it's the same everywhere, this is not a NY thing. If anything, fans in the US are tame and civilized compared to the rest of the world. You had people burning Lebron jerseys when he bolted to Miami, and most people laughed at that. In Europe, players have their families threatened if they transfer to the wrong team. They get spat on, have coins and lighters thrown at them during the game. I even saw a cellphone land on the court one time.

I just think it's pointless to get worked up about it. He got what he wanted, Knicks got what they wanted, it's over. No need to make it personal when it really isn't.

It'll be best when everyone moves on, but Porzingis' actions since he came here are what makes this personal to NYC.

It's not about his petulant attitude, immaturity, or passive aggression. Those are annoying and a potential harbinger of worse to come, but not what made this "personal", IMO.

What did that was the way Kristaps clung to NYC mannerisms and style in public in order to ingratiate himself to fans and boost his image. I think most people cringed a little, but in the end loved it - or even tolerated it - because he was "our guy" and it showed he wanted to be here.

I'm talking about him using social media to pose with Timbs on, calling people "b", and using "deadass" and "facts" unironically. That might seem like inconsequential stuff to you, but those are highly specific cultural things to NYC that don't matter much beyond "yo, this dude is a cornball" at worst if you think the guy is harmless or on your side, but once he gets petty, disruptive, and attempts to dictate to you while checking out of the city it's going to justifiably spawn vitriol.

You were out here not getting checked on your foreign-kid-in-NYC routine because you held an important position and really seemed to be trying hard to be a part of things. It was cute that someone from such a different culture came to the bright lights and appeared to be going all in on the experience. But when it turns out that it was mostly fraudulent then yeah, the bill comes due and it's personal for a while - if not forever.

Watch on YouTube

Then on the way out you use "stay woke" - again, unironically - you're going to get rightfully slaughtered by the city. You are not one of us, you are not part of this. It's time to move on to appropriating "y'all", "fixin'", "right quick", and "bless your heart".

I definitely noticed him embracing the culture like his own. I just didn't think he was doing it to ingratiate himself like Kanter is doing. Because it's been well documented before the draft how he loves the American culture. We all remember that picture of him as a kid with the AI cornrows. Somehow I don't think he was playing the long con from such a young age.

I don't think he was playing a long con, I think he was using the culture like his own because it was cool and brought him attention - it was fun. It's more the way he wanted out and then seemingly had no immediate respect for the city and the fans in the aftermath of the trade. NYC wasn't really in his heart or a part of him - he willingly discarded it all at the acceptance of the trade proposal. Then he tried to backtrack a little with the one of the most feeble attempts to right a mistake I've seen.

There are basketball/personality reasons for any Knicks fan not liking Porzingis and the way this all went down, but the heavy vitriol you're seeing at the moment is from New Yorkers over the way he shed his NYC skin/turned his back so fast after using the city's specific culture so brazenly.

[eagle54]

the next few months will be long if we already create a rumor topic with just declarations of instagram posts. Just hope that the disappointment will not as great as the expectations.

[HerSports85]

It feels like a betrayal by Kp largely because he left and we’re still here. But the front office has betrayed us as well.

It’s reasonable that a player would go through what he’s been through and see a mess of a franchise.

Plus Europeans don’t understand tanking. It doesn’t exist in European sports.

That doesn’t excuse him. But it helps explain him.

With Perry calling the shots, I don’t see the FO as being a mess. Actually I see, for the first time in a while, a highly functioning FO with a GM that finally has a plan and making the right moves.

KP not ready to play this season at all, so I don’t see logically why he will be against us tanking to get him help for when he returns. He can’t be this dumb.. did he really want to end up as Melo?

The coach traveled to his hometown and kissed his ass, they were upfront and told him it’s not about wins this season.

KP seen Luka was dominating and wanted to get on the train... that’s all to it. I believe everything else was just an excuse. Oh and he was probably mad about not getting his extension BUT **** we can’t even see a video of him running, what did he think was going to happen?

[NoLayupRule]

To the tweets that Knicks did little to canvas the league for KP trades. I'm sure the Knicks had very specific things in mind in what they wanted (cap space, draft picks) and very few teams that could give them that. I see no reason to hit up Toronto, GS, Orlando, etc etc when only a select few have what you desire.

That **** was false what Mannix said. ESPN didn’t do enough due diligence as journalists there too.

There were many reports that Perry kept it under wraps for weeks to months as he did his own due diligence and explored trades. Something like NINE Teams he spoke to just to get an idea of what he could get.

Theeeeeeen he called Porzingis into his office Wednesday to directly ask Porzingis what he wants to do and know where he stood. Once Porzingis said he wanted to be traded, Perry executed ONE of the trades he had been discussing (it also helped that the Mavs had been in town for a game).

ESPN and some of the journalists are just mad that Perry was able to close leaks and keep it soooooooooo much under wraps. Including the prick Woj.

—Mags

Perry really did this as covertly as could be expected. He's good at this stuff

Either he kept it from leaking or they reacted in a knee jerk way and made the move without planning or due dilligance

I’d like to give them the benifit if the doubt

[F N 11]

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[NYKHardKnock]

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so many angles to KD potentially coming here, so many. I would love to keep DJ, if we do go big. Could be a big piece

[Wonderllama]

Is the Mavs deal the best possible trade the Knicks could have gotten? I don't believe so. Not by a long shot.

[SmoothLefty21]

What's the deal with DJ's non-Bird rights? We can go over the cap and offer him 120% of his previous deal? So we wait on DJ, sign KD and Kyrie and then go over the cap to bring back DJ?

I imagine a third good vet is a key selling point for KD. If you want to win a title you need more vets than what we'd have if it was only Kyrie and KD. Assuming DJ gets his act together again, a trio of KD, Kyrie, DJ with our youth and picks is probably the favorites in the East.

[Clyde_Style]

That **** was false what Mannix said. ESPN didn’t do enough due diligence as journalists there too.

There were many reports that Perry kept it under wraps for weeks to months as he did his own due diligence and explored trades. Something like NINE Teams he spoke to just to get an idea of what he could get.

Theeeeeeen he called Porzingis into his office Wednesday to directly ask Porzingis what he wants to do and know where he stood. Once Porzingis said he wanted to be traded, Perry executed ONE of the trades he had been discussing (it also helped that the Mavs had been in town for a game).

ESPN and some of the journalists are just mad that Perry was able to close leaks and keep it soooooooooo much under wraps. Including the prick Woj.

—Mags

Perry really did this as covertly as could be expected. He's good at this stuff

Either he kept it from leaking or they reacted in a knee jerk way and made the move without planning or due dilligance

I’d like to give them the benifit if the doubt

Perry was not shooting from the hip. He's quite methodical. You already know that even if you're simply laying it out there as the possible binary interpretation

[2010]

Playing devil's advocate here but why are we so convinced KD + Kyrie will take us anywhere?

Like for real, what did KD ever win before joining an all-time great completely STACKED team?

KD couldn't win it with Westbrook. What makes us so confident about the prospects of him pairing up with Kyrie?

#justsaying