FA/Trade Rumors & Discussion - Durant, Kyrie, AD, etc

[jermsknicks]

Davis and Kyrie going to la. Kd stays in GS . Kawhi going somewhere not NY

First things 1st, Who are the Knicks drafting?

[god shammgod]

look, nobody knows. but if someone wanted to play in a big market and team up with another star they have 3 options. us, the nets, the clippers. none of those teams have any great pieces besides the cap space (our pick could change that), so it's really about where is the best place to play. the clippers and nets will always be 2nd franchises in cities and not nearly as popular. you might say, why would they join a team with no great pieces ? because just like lebron & wade thought, these guys have the confidence that give them 1 or 2 other great players and they can win it all. all the ring chasers will show up to wherever they team up anyway.

or everyone could just stay where they are. but if you were to leave, you're not leaving to become a net. and you're probably not leaving to play on l.a's 2nd team while lebron is playing for the 1st one. you'll get more attention playing here then anywhere else.

[K_ick_God]

Lakers offer of Ingram, Ball, Kuzma and the pick might be too much to beat? Still in their conference and fewer assets to control for long, and Ball behind Jrue unless they dump one. After one more year Ingram would be a big contract (or not worth one).

Wonder if it’s too much to offer them Mitch, Knox and the Mavs picks.

[NY2k1]

Lakers offer of Ingram, Ball, Kuzma and the pick might be too much to beat? Still in their conference and fewer assets to control for long, and Ball behind Jrue unless they dump one. But after one more year Ingram would be a big contract (or not worth one).

Wonder if it’s too much to offer them Mitch, Knox and the Mavs picks.

Knicks could beat that offer if they wanted to.

[god shammgod]

Lakers offer of Ingram, Ball, Kuzma and the pick might be too much to beat? Still in their conference and fewer assets to control for long, and Ball behind Jrue unless they dump one. After one more year Ingram would be a big contract (or not worth one).

Wonder if it’s too much to offer them Mitch, Knox and the Mavs picks.

they only way you're getting ad is to include this year's pick. and they probably don't want to do it untill draft night because they want the pick to be as high as possible. you put ad on the knicks next week and the pick becomes a lot worse. with oladipo out for the year, you'd be the 5th best team in the east for the rest of the year and probably play around .500 ball in the remaining games.

[K_ick_God]

Lakers offer of Ingram, Ball, Kuzma and the pick might be too much to beat? Still in their conference and fewer assets to control for long, and Ball behind Jrue unless they dump one. After one more year Ingram would be a big contract (or not worth one).

Wonder if it’s too much to offer them Mitch, Knox and the Mavs picks.

they only way you're getting ad is to include this year's pick. and they probably don't want to do it untill draft night because they want the pick to be as high as possible. you put ad on the knicks next week and the pick becomes a lot worse. with oladipo out for the year, you'd be the 5th best team in the east for the rest of the year and probably play around .500 ball in the remaining games.

Makes sense. I think maybe I just forgot to include this year’s pick. I’d try to keep either Mitch or Knox out.

AD is perhaps an important domino. Once he is gotten, you have a definite inside track on Kyrie and KD too.

[god shammgod]

Lakers offer of Ingram, Ball, Kuzma and the pick might be too much to beat? Still in their conference and fewer assets to control for long, and Ball behind Jrue unless they dump one. After one more year Ingram would be a big contract (or not worth one).

Wonder if it’s too much to offer them Mitch, Knox and the Mavs picks.

they only way you're getting ad is to include this year's pick. and they probably don't want to do it untill draft night because they want the pick to be as high as possible. you put ad on the knicks next week and the pick becomes a lot worse. with oladipo out for the year, you'd be the 5th best team in the east for the rest of the year and probably play around .500 ball in the remaining games.

Makes sense. I think maybe I just forgot to include this year’s pick. I’d try to keep either Mitch or Knox out.

AD is perhaps an important domino. Once he is gotten, you have a definite inside track on Kyrie and KD too.

not really sure. the thing about ad is, once you trade for him you have to get one of those guys. if you trade all your assets for him, he can leave in a year and you're left barren. it's very risky.

[K_ick_God]

they only way you're getting ad is to include this year's pick. and they probably don't want to do it untill draft night because they want the pick to be as high as possible. you put ad on the knicks next week and the pick becomes a lot worse. with oladipo out for the year, you'd be the 5th best team in the east for the rest of the year and probably play around .500 ball in the remaining games.

Makes sense. I think maybe I just forgot to include this year’s pick. I’d try to keep either Mitch or Knox out.

AD is perhaps an important domino. Once he is gotten, you have a definite inside track on Kyrie and KD too.

not really sure. the thing about ad is, once you trade for him you have to get one of those guys. if you trade all your assets for him, he can leave in a year and you're left barren. it's very risky.

So it may be time for an extend and trade deal. By the time the extension is over Bron will be an old man.

[symbiotic]

[GEOLINK]

From everything I’ve read Porzingis and co. are getting introduced today.

We’ll have a heap of new juicy material to talk about.

[DowNY]

Lakers offer of Ingram, Ball, Kuzma and the pick might be too much to beat? Still in their conference and fewer assets to control for long, and Ball behind Jrue unless they dump one. After one more year Ingram would be a big contract (or not worth one).

Wonder if it’s too much to offer them Mitch, Knox and the Mavs picks.

Just a heads up but Jrue is now a SG & enjoys playing off ball more now. So him & Ball can play together.

[GEOLINK]

You are outta y’all minds if you think we could’ve gotten a better deal than what we got for an injured KP, who’s about to be out a full year, which essentially his contract becomes a one year deal and for all our trash contracts.

Our return was better than anything Butler, Boogie trades netted back those teams and they were healthy to play.

[GEOLINK]

Celtics fan here. I have been reading a lot of rumours and a lot of that is based on false information. That's not specifically this forum, but I feel the need to counter some of these rumours.

First of all the idea that Irving has his mind on leaving the Celtics. That is untrue. He literally said during pre-season presentation: ''If you guys will have me back, I plan on re-signing here''. Then after all these rumours about LA and New York he came out and responded again, because he was annoyed that his name was thrown in all that stuff (what he called: ''This is dumb ****'').

And then after questions about his future by journalists he said: ''I still have confidence in Boston and what they can offer for the future.'' Then a journalist asked him if anything had changed, since October, Irving frustratingly replied ''Ask me about it July 1st''. Postgame against the Knicks, Irving added: ''I have a focus on winning a championship this year and even me saying something like that isn't concrete enough for anybody''.

The reason why Irving hasn't signed an extension yet is simple: money. By waiting until July 1st, his new contract will be based on the increased salary cap and he can sign a 5-year contract for $188 million, instead of a 4-year extension for $101 million. And the Celtics will give him that extension. They won't let him walk and commit to Rozier to save money. Rozier is a good player, but Irving is clearly better.

In the unlikely case that Irving does decide to leave (anything can happen in the NBA, locker room incidents, fall outs with coaches, injuries etc.), you can be sure that he isn't going to the Lakers. The reason why he wanted out of Cleveland was LeBron James and now he would jump on the opportunity to come back? Be real, that's ridiculous.

Are the Knicks in play? Well at the moment I don't think so. Why did he have the Knicks on his list and not Boston?

Well, that's quite easy, Irving wanted to lead his own team and not play in the shadow of LeBron. At that time if you remember, Boston was the main rival of Cleveland and had just played the Conference Finals against each other and point guard Isaiah Thomas was the star player of the Celtics. To be asked to be traded to that team would look extremely weird and unlikely. That it happened was something very few people had foreseen. I can tell you that Celtics fans were shocked (me personally was surprised, but loved it instantly).

What if the Knicks trade for Anthony Davis and sign Kevin Durant, will Irving join them? I don't think that anyone can answer that question. However I do have some practical questions. Lets assume (big assumption) that Irving, Durant and Davis have mutual interest to play together in New York. First problem is that Davis can't chose where he's going to go, the Pelicans are in charge. So who's going to be the first to commit to that plan? What if Durant's and Irving's agent inform the New York FO that they're looking to sign there if they trade for Davis and New Orleans declines the offer? What if that information comes out? Is New York willing to risk everything on Davis, without the guarantee that Durant goes there?

My advice to the Knicks would be to sign Kemba Walker, which could be possible since the Hornets are going nowhere. Then sign some players to short contracts (like resigning Matthews and Jordan). In the weak East that can get you to the playoffs I think. And in 2-3 years, when your young guys have gained some playoff experience you try to sign a big free agent, just before the rookie contracts expire. Steadily progression gets you further than shooting for the stars.

I’m sure Kyrie seeing his name in all these AD trade rumors probably pissed him off don’t you think?

How can he stay committed to the Celtics if the Celtics wouldn’t think twice about moving him for AD?

Now the Celtics are in a bit of a pickle with Kyrie/AD contract situation both having the Rose provision that they can’t pull this thing off sooner. What makes Kyrie think he wouldn’t get signed and traded for AD once he’s able to sign a new deal?

See what I’m saying?

[mugzi]

Celtics fan here. I have been reading a lot of rumours and a lot of that is based on false information. That's not specifically this forum, but I feel the need to counter some of these rumours.

First of all the idea that Irving has his mind on leaving the Celtics. That is untrue. He literally said during pre-season presentation: ''If you guys will have me back, I plan on re-signing here''. Then after all these rumours about LA and New York he came out and responded again, because he was annoyed that his name was thrown in all that stuff (what he called: ''This is dumb ****'').

And then after questions about his future by journalists he said: ''I still have confidence in Boston and what they can offer for the future.'' Then a journalist asked him if anything had changed, since October, Irving frustratingly replied ''Ask me about it July 1st''. Postgame against the Knicks, Irving added: ''I have a focus on winning a championship this year and even me saying something like that isn't concrete enough for anybody''.

The reason why Irving hasn't signed an extension yet is simple: money. By waiting until July 1st, his new contract will be based on the increased salary cap and he can sign a 5-year contract for $188 million, instead of a 4-year extension for $101 million. And the Celtics will give him that extension. They won't let him walk and commit to Rozier to save money. Rozier is a good player, but Irving is clearly better.

In the unlikely case that Irving does decide to leave (anything can happen in the NBA, locker room incidents, fall outs with coaches, injuries etc.), you can be sure that he isn't going to the Lakers. The reason why he wanted out of Cleveland was LeBron James and now he would jump on the opportunity to come back? Be real, that's ridiculous.

Are the Knicks in play? Well at the moment I don't think so. Why did he have the Knicks on his list and not Boston?

Well, that's quite easy, Irving wanted to lead his own team and not play in the shadow of LeBron. At that time if you remember, Boston was the main rival of Cleveland and had just played the Conference Finals against each other and point guard Isaiah Thomas was the star player of the Celtics. To be asked to be traded to that team would look extremely weird and unlikely. That it happened was something very few people had foreseen. I can tell you that Celtics fans were shocked (me personally was surprised, but loved it instantly).

What if the Knicks trade for Anthony Davis and sign Kevin Durant, will Irving join them? I don't think that anyone can answer that question. However I do have some practical questions. Lets assume (big assumption) that Irving, Durant and Davis have mutual interest to play together in New York. First problem is that Davis can't chose where he's going to go, the Pelicans are in charge. So who's going to be the first to commit to that plan? What if Durant's and Irving's agent inform the New York FO that they're looking to sign there if they trade for Davis and New Orleans declines the offer? What if that information comes out? Is New York willing to risk everything on Davis, without the guarantee that Durant goes there?

My advice to the Knicks would be to sign Kemba Walker, which could be possible since the Hornets are going nowhere. Then sign some players to short contracts (like resigning Matthews and Jordan). In the weak East that can get you to the playoffs I think. And in 2-3 years, when your young guys have gained some playoff experience you try to sign a big free agent, just before the rookie contracts expire. Steadily progression gets you further than shooting for the stars.

sorry brah but irving is gone. it's better you accept it now.

Word son. Word.

[GEOLINK]

Speaking about the trade kicker ... there has been no mentions of that anywhere. Do we know if he waived it or anything ?

It got paid by the Mavs, someone posted the details. That was 1.5 days and hundreds of pages read, so I have no idea where I saw it.

here you go:

Hardaway’s trade kicker was for 15% of the money left on his contract, not including any option years. That meant that the bonus would apply to the rest of this season’s prorated salary ($6,851,695) and all of next season’s salary ($18,150,000). Those figures add up to $25,001,695, and 15% of that amount is $3,750,254. That’s the amount of THJ’s bonus.

For salary cap purposes, a trade bonus is split up and applied equally to each non-option season, meaning Hardaway’s cap hits for this season and next season each increased by $1,875,127. Here’s what those changes look like, as Jeff Siegel’s cap sheet at EarlyBirdRights.com shows:

2018/19
Old cap hit: $17,325,000
New cap hit: $19,200,127
2019/20
Old cap hit: $18,150,000
New cap hit: $20,025,127

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/02/financial-impact-of-kristaps-porzingis-blockbuster.html

Holy **** Mills must’ve been on crack when he made this contract.

Thank God we’re out of it. I really saw no light at the end of tunnel and thought we might’ve had to deal with him till the end.

[GEOLINK]

Negative Nancy, eh? Why don't you just aim and blow off both of our team's feet?

More like realistic. We all like to think people want to come here because we’re New Yorkers/fans of the team...there is no logical reason for a star player in their prime to come to this franchise though. Just gotta hope we get Zion and he’s the next generational talent

False. Perry just cleaned up this franchise in one year. That was almost an impossible task and he did it. We have a legit GM now that stars will take seriously. So, no, the franchise is not a joke any longer. You have to get your house in order to attract talent. We've done that.

And he isn’t going to scare them away by coming to a meeting in a wheelchair after coming out of the old folks home.

[stuporman]

I'm surprised people would risk using so many assets to trade for AD who just might leave for LA anyway.

That just seems so like a past terrible regime move and I wouldn't do it.

[NY2k1]

I'm surprised people would risk using so many assets to trade for AD who just might leave for LA anyway.

That just seems so like a past terrible regime move and I wouldn't do it.

You would trade for AD with the assurance that KD/Irving would come here as well.

[Context]

It got paid by the Mavs, someone posted the details. That was 1.5 days and hundreds of pages read, so I have no idea where I saw it.

here you go:

Hardaway’s trade kicker was for 15% of the money left on his contract, not including any option years. That meant that the bonus would apply to the rest of this season’s prorated salary ($6,851,695) and all of next season’s salary ($18,150,000). Those figures add up to $25,001,695, and 15% of that amount is $3,750,254. That’s the amount of THJ’s bonus.

For salary cap purposes, a trade bonus is split up and applied equally to each non-option season, meaning Hardaway’s cap hits for this season and next season each increased by $1,875,127. Here’s what those changes look like, as Jeff Siegel’s cap sheet at EarlyBirdRights.com shows:

2018/19
Old cap hit: $17,325,000
New cap hit: $19,200,127
2019/20
Old cap hit: $18,150,000
New cap hit: $20,025,127

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/02/financial-impact-of-kristaps-porzingis-blockbuster.html

Holy **** Mills must’ve been on crack when he made this contract.

Thank God we’re out of it. I really saw no light at the end of tunnel and thought we might’ve had to deal with him till the end.

I think that was his first deal...prior to that he just had corporate duties...

[symbiotic]

While I have a lot of fear & doubt about any of the major free agents coming here, one thing to remember is that LeBron James still went to the LAKERS & LOS ANGELES despite them not being a winning team right before. Just the lure of NYC could be enough for Kevin Durant.
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I'm warming up to the trade, but I fear that we could have got more in high-upside players & higher picks if we waited out the albatross contracts, and also fear that new bad contracts would be given out in exchange for Kristaps Porzingis. I guess we'll see. I would have demanded more in draft picks and forget about free agency, but ill accept what happened and hope for the best

Could the Knicks offer more money to Kevin Durant than the Golden State Warriors in the full max?