Detroit reportedly offering Jackson + 2019 1st for Conley

[bstein14]

According to a Utah beat writer, Utah has interest in acquiring Conley but Detroit has but in a very solid (likely better) offer including Detroits 2019 1st rounder and Reggie Jackson.

With Conley making $32 million next season and $34.5 million the following year I don't see how Detroit needs to give up a likely lottery pick for him (unless the pick is lottery protected). Trade would also hamper our ability to resign guys like Ish and Bullock this summer unless it includes Leuer and Galloway as well.

[Snakebites]

Sigh...

[thesack12]

Reggie + FRP + what else?

Detroit would need to add like $10 mil more in salary to make it work. They taking Jon Leuer as well?

Regardless trading any picks for a 31 year old Conley is an incredibly short sighted band-aid type move. Also I'm thinking eventually that trade will end up costing Detroit an additional 1st down the line, just to cut the luxury tax bill that Gores will be desperate to trim.

[bstein14]

Reggie + FRP + what else?

Detroit would need to add like $10 mil more in salary to make it work. They taking Jon Leuer as well?

Regardless trading any picks for a 31 year old Conley is an incredibly short sighted band-aid type move. Also I'm thinking eventually that trade will end up costing Detroit an additional 1st down the line, just to cut the luxury tax bill that Gores will be desperate to trim.

Salary wise, the only way it really makes a lot of sense is if they take back both Leuer and Galloway. That move would actually create more space for us next season, and for Memphis all three contracts would become expiring deals next year.

[buzzkilloton]

Inb4 we ship out a 1st rounder and Kennard for a 31 year old 0 time all star pg, thats the 7th highest paid player in the league coming off an Achilles injury. When you're 22-29 you gotta go do what u can to go for the playoffs.


The Utah Jazz reportedly offered Ricky Rubio and a 2019 first-round pick.
It’s an easy guess the Pistons have offered Reggie Jackson and a first-round pick.
Rubio is a better player, but the Pistons’ pick will likely be higher than the Jazz's.
A source tells the Free Press the Grizzlies “want more.”
Would adding Kennard be enough? Would it be worth it?

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2019/02/03/detroit-pistons-trade-deadline-rumors/2753726002/

[Mr. Krabs]

we do this move once every year im sure we will be able to justify it once its done again

[thesack12]

Reggie + FRP + what else?

Detroit would need to add like $10 mil more in salary to make it work. They taking Jon Leuer as well?

Regardless trading any picks for a 31 year old Conley is an incredibly short sighted band-aid type move. Also I'm thinking eventually that trade will end up costing Detroit an additional 1st down the line, just to cut the luxury tax bill that Gores will be desperate to trim.

Salary wise, the only way it really makes a lot of sense is if they take back both Leuer and Galloway. That move would actually create more space for us next season, and for Memphis all three contracts would become expiring deals next year.

Not seeing it.

Memphis is only like $300k below the luxury tax themselves. I sincerely doubt they take on 3 bad players, an additional $5mil or so pushing them into the luxury tax, have to cut 2 players immediately, and all 3 of those bad players they traded for will still be around next season.

Still have Utah in the mix apparently as well. Can only hope Utah steps up their offer, because Conley is nothing but bad news for Detroit.

[Kilo]

Need to offer Leuer and GRIII to stay under the tax this year.

Utah offered Rubio who is expiring, and could offer Favors, or two of Thabo, Korver or Jae Crowder - but they're offering rotational pieces. Rubio+Favors are both expirings, but their pick is currently 19th, whereas ours is 8th. But the idea is Conley would improve the team he is sent to so the pick would lessen. If we make the playoffs the pick is 15th vs Utah's being still 19th(let's say), so those four spots isn't worth they Jackson-Leuer contracts vs Rubio-Favors off the books.

Memphis is said to be trying to get a second future FRP from Utah because our pick is so much better. Ellis in his article mentioned that Jackson and fodder along with our FRP isn't enough and Memphis is asking for more still and ponders if Kennard would be enough to get them to do it.

So it would be Jackson + Kennard + Leuer + 2019 FRP (probably only top 4 protected) for Conley

That is 30, 321,000 vs 30 521 000 - so fits for both teams tax issues as we stay under still by 200K.

I think it's pass on it. Maybe if we got a couple future seconds or something for including Kennard.

[thesack12]

Need to offer Leuer and GRIII to stay under the tax this year.

Utah offered Rubio who is expiring, and could offer Favors, or two of Thabo, Korver or Jae Crowder - but they're offering rotational pieces. Rubio+Favors are both expirings, but their pick is currently 19th, whereas ours is 8th. But the idea is Conley would improve the team he is sent to so the pick would lessen. If we make the playoffs the pick is 15th vs Utah's being still 19th(let's say), so those four spots isn't worth they Jackson-Leuer contracts vs Rubio-Favors off the books.

Memphis is said to be trying to get a second future FRP from Utah because our pick is so much better. Ellis in his article mentioned that Jackson and fodder along with our FRP isn't enough and Memphis is asking for more still and ponders if Kennard would be enough to get them to do it.

So it would be Jackson + Kennard + Leuer + 2019 FRP (probably only top 4 protected) for Conley

That is 30, 321,000 vs 30 521 000 - so fits for both teams tax issues as we stay under still by 200K.

I think it's pass on it. Maybe if we got a couple future seconds or something for including Kennard.

That would push Memphis into the luxury tax. They are only like $300k below the line themselves, which further complicates the situation.

The fact that neither Detroit or Memphis can take on any additional salary, really helps Utah's angle. Jazz being able to take on salary makes them look an even more attractive suitor.

C'mon Utah get it done!!!

[MotownMadness]

Conley is still really good but already 31. He does have a PER and OBPM basically as high as Blake but would he stay effective throughout the next two years after this one. Still not a smart move so you better dump all our bad contracts in the swap.

I have no idea how you would fill out this roster though unless your dealing Drummond to try and do it but nobody wants him either.

[ChuckVanBrown]

I like Conley and think he would make us a better team for sure, but he’s older, has a spotty injury history, and a large contract. He fits Blake’s timeline though, and would be a much needed backcourt upgrade. He’s the type of guy I’d like to see in a Pistons uniform.

However, I’m not on board with trading a 2019 FRP. Even with Conley there’s likely to be an adjustment period, and chances are we’re still headed for the lottery. It’s just dumb to trade that pick which could end up being a really nice asset. I would be more receptive if it’s trading next year’s pick, as we’ll probably be in a better position to win. No need to get ourselves into a crazy bidding war and overpay for Conley. Utah should be more desperate to make that deal, as they’re theoretically only a piece or two from competing.

[buzzkilloton]

I've seen people mention how when Blakes contract is up we're going to be forced to rebuild. I dont think thats true at all. Gores could easily resign Drummond he loves the dude. We're always just a big deadline move with some draft picks away from staying on the treadmill. Gores might be like that guy who was acting as the owner of the nets when they made that historically bad celtics trade.

[Kilo]

Need to offer Leuer and GRIII to stay under the tax this year.

Utah offered Rubio who is expiring, and could offer Favors, or two of Thabo, Korver or Jae Crowder - but they're offering rotational pieces. Rubio+Favors are both expirings, but their pick is currently 19th, whereas ours is 8th. But the idea is Conley would improve the team he is sent to so the pick would lessen. If we make the playoffs the pick is 15th vs Utah's being still 19th(let's say), so those four spots isn't worth they Jackson-Leuer contracts vs Rubio-Favors off the books.

Memphis is said to be trying to get a second future FRP from Utah because our pick is so much better. Ellis in his article mentioned that Jackson and fodder along with our FRP isn't enough and Memphis is asking for more still and ponders if Kennard would be enough to get them to do it.

So it would be Jackson + Kennard + Leuer + 2019 FRP (probably only top 4 protected) for Conley

That is 30, 321,000 vs 30 521 000 - so fits for both teams tax issues as we stay under still by 200K.

I think it's pass on it. Maybe if we got a couple future seconds or something for including Kennard.

That would push Memphis into the luxury tax. They are only like $300k above the line themselves, which further complicates the situation.

The fact that neither Detroit or Memphis can take on any additional salary, really helps Utah's angle. Jazz being able to take on salary makes them look an even more attractive suitor.

C'mon Utah get it done!!!

GRIII deal would, not the Kennard deal. But in the GRIII inclusion deal Memphis could ship back a 800K contract ie a second round pick rookie contract which would allow both teams to stay under. Or we could use Ellenson's 1.9M some how where they could ship back a 2.8M player to keep it cap neutral.

[thesack12]

Need to offer Leuer and GRIII to stay under the tax this year.

Utah offered Rubio who is expiring, and could offer Favors, or two of Thabo, Korver or Jae Crowder - but they're offering rotational pieces. Rubio+Favors are both expirings, but their pick is currently 19th, whereas ours is 8th. But the idea is Conley would improve the team he is sent to so the pick would lessen. If we make the playoffs the pick is 15th vs Utah's being still 19th(let's say), so those four spots isn't worth they Jackson-Leuer contracts vs Rubio-Favors off the books.

Memphis is said to be trying to get a second future FRP from Utah because our pick is so much better. Ellis in his article mentioned that Jackson and fodder along with our FRP isn't enough and Memphis is asking for more still and ponders if Kennard would be enough to get them to do it.

So it would be Jackson + Kennard + Leuer + 2019 FRP (probably only top 4 protected) for Conley

That is 30, 321,000 vs 30 521 000 - so fits for both teams tax issues as we stay under still by 200K.

I think it's pass on it. Maybe if we got a couple future seconds or something for including Kennard.

That would push Memphis into the luxury tax. They are only like $300k above the line themselves, which further complicates the situation.

The fact that neither Detroit or Memphis can take on any additional salary, really helps Utah's angle. Jazz being able to take on salary makes them look an even more attractive suitor.

C'mon Utah get it done!!!

GRIII deal would, not the Kennard deal. But in the GRIII inclusion deal Memphis could ship back a 800K contract ie a second round pick rookie contract which would allow both teams to stay under. Or we could use Ellenson's 1.9M some how where they could ship back a 2.8M player to keep it cap neutral.

The only 800k range player Memphis has is Jevon Carter. They won't send him because that would not only add value to Detroit's side, but more importantly they view him as Conley's replacement.

Memphis doesn't have any players in the 2.8 range to consider for your Ellenson angle. They go from Mack at 1.5 to Holiday at 4.3

If Detroit and Memphis deals straight up, one of them is most likely going into the luxury tax.

[ChipButty]

I think I'm actually cool with this move. Conley is a significant upgrade and a solid leader. Clearly the direction is being a competitive playoff team for the next 2-3 years. We should try and snag Casspi as well. Injured at the moment but he'd be a good fit at a position of need.

Conley, Casspi for Jackson, Galloway, SJ, GRII, Lotto Protected First

Basically identical on salaries.

[Snakebites]

Is there a link?

[thesack12]

I think I'm actually cool with this move. Conley is a significant upgrade and a solid leader. Clearly the direction is being a competitive playoff team for the next 2-3 years. We should try and snag Casspi as well. Injured at the moment but he'd be a good fit at a position of need.

Conley, Casspi for Jackson, Galloway, SJ, GRII, Lotto Protected First

Basically identical on salaries.

Keeps both teams under the tax.

But is Memphis willing to cut 2 players?

Is Detroit willing to give up that much wing depth? Especially considering Casspi is out for a good while with a torn meniscus.

[Laimbeer]

CHA: Drummond, Kennard
DET: Batum, Conley, Monk
MEM:Jackson, Leuer, CHA 19 FRP

[DETermination]

If we give up our pick I might just have to take a break from this team.

[ComboGuardCity]

Blake is worth more than Conely and we didn’t give up any young assets (Tobias is about to get paid). I’m down for the trade if it’s only Reggie + 1st. We actually need to make the playoffs imo. We’re a franchise without an arena, bad attendance and a volatile owner. Sure there is like a 8% chance we end up with an All Star with the pick, but I’d rather start building a culture of winning and get asses in the seats.