Anthony Davis requests trade, part 3

[celticfan42487]

No but seriously with this going on, you know Ainge is listening for Irving offers.

NO won't pull the trade off before the deadline I'm sure. But if he's gone, Ainge 100% may have an Irving trade he would do at the deadline. Doubt there's enough advanced notification for him to pull it off.

We are like a Steph Curry sprained ankle away from having a legit shot at the finals this year. There's no way Ainge trades Irving. You keep him, make a run at the finals and dare him to leave such a great situation at the end of it.

I guess that depends on the return that we get for him.

You may be able to have your cake and eat it too. Our team has incredible depth at the PG,SG, SF spot.

Getting a cost controlled by actually good big man to pair with Horford could add more to the team synergy wise than the talent of the players traded for would suggest on a pure 1 v 1 comparison.

That and any Irving trade could be more than just him. Baynes/Morris would have no value in that new world as you're playing to win for the next 10 years with the new core you're building around and not just right now.

[Celts17Pride]

No offense. Glad your not GM.

Pretty sure the GM feels the exact same way I do

All depends on Danny's confidence level that he can convince AD. Dannys a gambler.. but he's not a fool.

I think the only reason he would do it under these circumstances is he is afraid he will lose Kyrie.

[SichtingLives]

It is stuff like this that has slowly made me despise the NBA. And it has nothing to do with the success of the Celtics, as you may know I am a Dolphins fan. But the complete crap that players and agents control stuff, because the players are a bunch of pussies and don't want to compete. They want the glory, the titles, but they don't want to earn it. Typical of today's society.

I doubt that it will get any better anytime soon. This is one time that you would think that we have everything in line to make these moves happen.

That's the sad part. It won't get better, and this isn't about the Celtics. It's the league.

It's American culture. This model of winning by stacking the deck as heavily as possible is pervasive everywhere and certainly rampant across sports, professional and amateur. It's been growing for decades. I'm actually surprised it took as long as it did to blossom in the NBA.

[amory87]

I've been doing my best to not pay attention to the drama, but I have to admit at this point I'm pretty convinced Kyrie is gone.

I get that he's a weird dude and his mood changes from moment to moment. But assuming he's still planning to be here long term and he wants to win championships, there's absolutely zero reason for him to have raised all of these questions right now about re-signing. It's the single most damaging thing that's happened to our AD trade aspirations. It's like he was actively trying to ensure that AD won't end up a Celtic next season.

And I've seen the narrative that he doesn't want AD here because he wants to be the unquestioned alpha and I just don't buy that. I'm sure he does want to be an alpha, but he's not an idiot. He must know he needs significant help to improve our odds.

He didn't even have to get the green pom poms out, he just had to say nothing.

[TommyPoints]

I’m curious to know what KD’s honest interest would be in a move to Boston. If we had both Kyrie and KD, committing I can’t see AD not having interest in being a part of that. LA is LA. I get it, but Lebron isn’t getting any younger.

[Edug27]

It's Rich Paul's job to get Davis to LA. Providing a list of teams that Davis would sign with, but who can't make a solid offer for Davis, gets Davis to LA, and is therefore Rich Paul doing his job.

It's not that black and white man. We saw what happened with Kawhi.. PG..

Rich Paul made a trade demand. Expressed that his client prefers LA, and does not want to include Boston in this. And also gave them a list of teams THAT MAKE SENSE for him. Lakers has Lebron. Clips is LA. Knicks is big market and I'm sure he feels he can convince Kyrie. Giannis publicly wants AD and they are the best team in the East.

It's not Pauls job to list teams that have good assets. What team with assets would make sense? Hornets? Suns? Paul is saying this "Take what LA is offering.. or be stubborn and send my client to these other teams and take a loss".

Paul knows there is a reallllyyy good chance the LA deal doesn't go through. He has a plan B.

I genuinely like your POV - it's very positive. But I am more cynical and ultimately, I do believe that teams that could put together a solid offer (Toronto, Boston, Sacramento, Orlando, Denver, etc etc) were left off the list because Davis's team needs for all signs to point to LA. I hope that you're right and I'm wrong.

I hear ya.. But you have to ask yourself... why in the world would AD want to include Sac and Orlando on his list?? Might as well stay in N.O... And nobody wants to move to Canada.

"Hmm.. something smells fishy, he only included good teams and big markets on his list!! Why not any of these awful franchises that don't have superstars??" .....

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

This is how I'm feeling right now:

I'm about 80% satisfied that we get AD because of the following reasons:
- we have the assets to beat the offers that are out there
- the list of teams don't have the assets that would interest the Pels. The Suns have Ayton and Booker, whom I'm sure would be quite the haul. However, once McDonogh gets Paul and Davis on the phone and asks them to sign an extension of some sort, they will dance out of it.
- Tobias Harris and SGA aren't enough for the Pels
- neither are Middleton, Brogdon and Maker. The draft picks the Bucks offer will also be in the mid-to-late 20s
- Lebron hates the Celtics, and Rich Paul is doing his best to make sure that we don't flourish

20% worried
- despite the fact that the rumors of AD not wanting to come here are likely smokescreens spread by Klutch, what if there is truth to them?
- Bulpett did write an article expressing how management was disappointed with how Kyrie handled the interview on Friday morning
- the Knicks, if they get the 1st pick, are likely to land AD, KD, Kyrie. Might even get the job done with the 2nd pick, as apparently the Pels don't want another instance of the Gordon/Kaman/Aminu press conference where all their assets are sad.
- Pels insider said that Tatum and Brown have both expressed to their agents that they don't want to be traded to New Orleans
- Pels, by taking on a rookie and some other young players, at least get a chance that some of these guys smile during the introductory press conference

pretty much lays it out, except that McDonough got fired a ways back.

You're right- my bad. James Jones is the GM.

[celticfan42487]

It is stuff like this that has slowly made me despise the NBA. And it has nothing to do with the success of the Celtics, as you may know I am a Dolphins fan. But the complete crap that players and agents control stuff, because the players are a bunch of pussies and don't want to compete. They want the glory, the titles, but they don't want to earn it. Typical of today's society.

Me too.

I'm not kidding. The owners need to lock out the players this summer. Force them to sit a year of their careers out if needed be.

We need Franchise Tags in the NBA.

Go ahead try to tell me they'll play in Europe instead and the NBA will die, it won't, they won't want to give up the massive money from salary and advertisement the NBA has.

But this needs to happen. That would DRAMATICALLY increase the interest in the league for every non CA/NY fan. The long term benefits could be immense.

We'd have players associated with franchises again like we did back in the 80s.

[Edug27]

Pretty sure the GM feels the exact same way I do

All depends on Danny's confidence level that he can convince AD. Dannys a gambler.. but he's not a fool.

I think the only reason he would do it under these circumstances is he is afraid he will lose Kyrie.

And have both catch an Uber to NY in July?

[Celts17Pride]

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Exactly!!

[CeltsFlow]

Well, would've been nice to get him, but guess it ain't happening

[leper-con]

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Exactly!!

thank you Paul for being the voice of Boston.

[celticfan42487]

I doubt that it will get any better anytime soon. This is one time that you would think that we have everything in line to make these moves happen.

That's the sad part. It won't get better, and this isn't about the Celtics. It's the league.

It's American culture. This model of winning by stacking the deck as heavily as possible is pervasive everywhere and certainly rampant across sports, professional and amateur. It's been growing for decades. I'm actually surprised it took as long as it did to blossom in the NBA.

To be fair that's not at all true for American sports. It's the exact opposite.

Most other nations worship soccer and that's the utmost of corruption and monarchy salaries like you see in baseball.

American sports culture is really one of the first with the idea that keeping competitive balance is paramount and you see if throughout the NBA, NHL, NFL, and MLS.

This is new an unexpected wealth because just like say the marginal tax rate, the athletes are so wealthy now that salary doesn't matter to them at all. One year and they're super rich so **** it who cares about being locked in for 5 years and actually trying.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Pretty sure the GM feels the exact same way I do

All depends on Danny's confidence level that he can convince AD. Dannys a gambler.. but he's not a fool.

I think the only reason he would do it under these circumstances is he is afraid he will lose Kyrie.

Which is why Im afraid Danny will do what he has to with Kyrie before the deadline.

[Fencer reregistered]

I say again -- none of these rumors prove much of anything.

If AD DOES want to go to Boston, it's to his advantage to let people think he doesn't, so as to drive down what Boston would have to offer for him in a trade.

On the other hand, if he truly doesn't want to come here, the leaks make sense as well.

[Edug27]

All depends on Danny's confidence level that he can convince AD. Dannys a gambler.. but he's not a fool.

I think the only reason he would do it under these circumstances is he is afraid he will lose Kyrie.

Which is why Im afraid Danny will do what he has to with Kyrie before the deadline.

I don't give us a shot at AD. But I do think theres a slight chance Kyrie gets moved. I say slight chance because theres not a ton of deals that benefit us.

[ajones9219]

I swear guys you are always falling for the Klutch media bs. The Davis group are trying to force a trade before the deadline. Of course they are going to say Boston isn't a team they are going to re-sign with. They don't want the Pels holding out for Boston

[Curmudgeon]

I swear guys you are always falling for the Klutch media bs. The Davis group are trying to force a trade before the deadline. Of course they are going to say Boston isn't a team they are going to re-sign with. They don't want the Pels holding out for Boston

Well sure. But neither does Anthony Davis. There's the rub. And maybe some idiot GM would give up Tatum for a rental, but Ainge won't.

People here are talking as though AD to Boston was some kind of done deal that Klutch sports stepped in to screw up. The fact is that it was always a long shot. As soon as he fired his agent and hired Rich Paul, the Celtics odds were close to zero.

Just be happy he isn't going to Toronto.

[amory87]

I say again -- none of these rumors prove much of anything.

If AD DOES want to go to Boston, it's to his advantage to let people think he doesn't, so as to drive down what Boston would have to offer for him in a trade.

On the other hand, if he truly doesn't want to come here, the leaks make sense as well.

I think you're giving these guys too much credit. It's not a double or a triple bluff. He wants to go where he wants to go and he's actively burning down the trade market anywhere else.

It's a tried and true formula at this point, and one I expect to keep seeing going forward. Last year it didn't work out for Kawhi because Toronto made a "screw it" move. But that was a very unique circumstance.

The problem this year with AD is, Boston can't very well make a "screw it" move with what it would cost to bring him here, when we don't even know if our current franchise player wants to be here. It could set the franchise back literally a decade or more.

Danny's trying to build a skyscraper on sand right now.

[Fencer reregistered]

I've been doing my best to not pay attention to the drama, but I have to admit at this point I'm pretty convinced Kyrie is gone.

I get that he's a weird dude and his mood changes from moment to moment. But assuming he's still planning to be here long term and he wants to win championships, there's absolutely zero reason for him to have raised all of these questions right now about re-signing. It's the single most damaging thing that's happened to our AD trade aspirations. It's like he was actively trying to ensure that AD won't end up a Celtic next season.

And I've seen the narrative that he doesn't want AD here because he wants to be the unquestioned alpha and I just don't buy that. I'm sure he does want to be an alpha, but he's not an idiot. He must know he needs significant help to improve our odds.

He didn't even have to get the green pom poms out, he just had to say nothing.

How exactly are our AD trade aspirations hurt by what Kyrie is or isn't saying at a time we can't trade for AD (and hence also can't ask him for a commitment) anyway?