2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (III)

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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (III) 

Post#221 » by Bob8 » Mon Feb 4, 2019 2:24 pm

Rockmaninoff wrote:
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Rockmaninoff wrote:I don't think it's unreasonable.

Number 1, can we take the height advantage up to a 7 footer and say it's easier to hide them because they're taller, or does it just apply to 6'8" 3s?

Number 2, the previous pages have posts about how switching is the thing in the NBA, so that applies to defense too, right? Like couldn't a height "advantage" be negated by forced switches?

And C, does athleticism matter, or is it easier to hide a taller player regardless?

Finally, the IT Celtics example was meant to show that a team can be great defensively in aggregate even with the smallest worst defender.


Normally you’re not hiding 7 footer, but you expect from him to be rim protector. ;)

You can try to explain why Trae has that worse defensive stats than Luka? Do you think that their advanced stats is at least little correlated with their different bodies?

My understanding of advanced defensive stats that attempt to parse out individual defense from box score priors and +/- is:

a) they are not entirely reliable
b) especially in small samples
3) especially without priors

I do think Luka is currently a better defender though, due to his BBIQ and experience. Also the Mavs had a better defensive team up until the recent trade.


The difference is almost as big in offensive advanced stats too. ORPM; Luka is 17th in the league with 2.98, Trae has 0.78. OBPM; Luka 3.0, Trae -0.1.

50 games is not that small sample and difference is really big in offense and defense.
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (III) 

Post#222 » by Rockmaninoff » Mon Feb 4, 2019 2:42 pm

Bob8 wrote:
Rockmaninoff wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
Normally you’re not hiding 7 footer, but you expect from him to be rim protector. ;)

You can try to explain why Trae has that worse defensive stats than Luka? Do you think that their advanced stats is at least little correlated with their different bodies?

My understanding of advanced defensive stats that attempt to parse out individual defense from box score priors and +/- is:

a) they are not entirely reliable
b) especially in small samples
3) especially without priors

I do think Luka is currently a better defender though, due to his BBIQ and experience. Also the Mavs had a better defensive team up until the recent trade.


The difference is almost as big in offensive advanced stats too. ORPM; Luka is 17th in the league with 2.98, Trae has 0.78. OBPM; Luka 3.0, Trae -0.1.

50 games is not that small sample and difference is really big in offense and defense.

I mean they're rookies?

Luka definitely has an advantage in experience with his copious high level Euro league play. It's not too surprising that he's been good immediately.

It is surprising that he's this good this soon, though. I thought Luka was Euro LeBron James when I saw him scrimmage the Thunder a couple years ago, but I'm still surprised.

Trae had some rough patches, but he's trending up now. AI/Nash hybrid is actually feasible.
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (III) 

Post#223 » by Bob8 » Mon Feb 4, 2019 2:48 pm

Rockmaninoff wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
Rockmaninoff wrote:My understanding of advanced defensive stats that attempt to parse out individual defense from box score priors and +/- is:

a) they are not entirely reliable
b) especially in small samples
3) especially without priors

I do think Luka is currently a better defender though, due to his BBIQ and experience. Also the Mavs had a better defensive team up until the recent trade.


The difference is almost as big in offensive advanced stats too. ORPM; Luka is 17th in the league with 2.98, Trae has 0.78. OBPM; Luka 3.0, Trae -0.1.

50 games is not that small sample and difference is really big in offense and defense.

I mean they're rookies?

Luka definitely has an advantage in experience with his copious high level Euro league play. It's not too surprising that he's been good immediately.

It is surprising that he's this good this soon, though. I thought Luka was Euro LeBron James when I saw him scrimmage the Thunder a couple years ago, but I'm still surprised.

Trae had some rough patches, but he's trending up now. AI/Nash hybrid is actually feasible.


Yes Trae is being better lately. would you be surprised, if I told you that Luka had negative RPM and BPM in first month? The difference between them is more or less stable. They’re both getting better all the time. Luka’s raw stats and advanced stats is better every month, not exactly normal for someone, who has already peaked. ;)
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (III) 

Post#225 » by Imon » Mon Feb 4, 2019 11:22 pm

Rockmaninoff wrote:Luka definitely has an advantage in experience with his copious high level Euro league play. It's not too surprising that he's been good immediately.

It is surprising that he's this good this soon, though. I thought Luka was Euro LeBron James when I saw him scrimmage the Thunder a couple years ago, but I'm still surprised.

Trae had some rough patches, but he's trending up now. AI/Nash hybrid is actually feasible.


I still find it hilarious that before he came into the NBA people were saying, "Euroleague means nothing - if Luka played against the best US college players we would have a better idea of his skill."
And now people are saying, "We knew he would be good all along - he was great in Euroleague after all." :lol:
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (III) 

Post#226 » by Archx » Mon Feb 4, 2019 11:31 pm

Imon wrote:
Rockmaninoff wrote:Luka definitely has an advantage in experience with his copious high level Euro league play. It's not too surprising that he's been good immediately.

It is surprising that he's this good this soon, though. I thought Luka was Euro LeBron James when I saw him scrimmage the Thunder a couple years ago, but I'm still surprised.

Trae had some rough patches, but he's trending up now. AI/Nash hybrid is actually feasible.


I still find it hilarious that before he came into the NBA people were saying, "Euroleague means nothing - if Luka played against the best US college players we would have a better idea of his skill."
And now people are saying, "We knew he would be good all along - he was great in Euroleague after all." :lol:


You can literally read this anytime you open any thread about him or watch his highlights. I cringe everytime. And it's similar BS going around now when people opened a thread how Zion is better already or something because he can dunk like a maniac. Logic on these forums goes "missing in action" really quickly.
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2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (III) 

Post#227 » by Paradise » Mon Feb 4, 2019 11:49 pm

Dzanan Musa - 26 pts, 6 Rebs, 6 Asts, 2 steals, 9-16 FG, 3-7 3PT, 5-5 FT.

He’s put on 22 pounds since the draft as he continues to learn the Nets offense and NBA style in the G-league.

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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (III) 

Post#228 » by Johnny Firpo » Tue Feb 5, 2019 12:28 am

Good stuff from Dzanan, I hope he somehow finds a way to get into the rotation this year. Small chance, I know, but still.
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (III) 

Post#229 » by nolang1 » Tue Feb 5, 2019 1:04 am

Imon wrote:
Rockmaninoff wrote:Luka definitely has an advantage in experience with his copious high level Euro league play. It's not too surprising that he's been good immediately.

It is surprising that he's this good this soon, though. I thought Luka was Euro LeBron James when I saw him scrimmage the Thunder a couple years ago, but I'm still surprised.

Trae had some rough patches, but he's trending up now. AI/Nash hybrid is actually feasible.


I still find it hilarious that before he came into the NBA people were saying, "Euroleague means nothing - if Luka played against the best US college players we would have a better idea of his skill."
And now people are saying, "We knew he would be good all along - he was great in Euroleague after all." :lol:


For the 994375th time, it is not the same people saying these things.
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (III) 

Post#230 » by Johnny Firpo » Tue Feb 5, 2019 1:27 am

Not a rookie, but Collins is developing into a beast of an offensive player, wow.
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (III) 

Post#231 » by kg01 » Tue Feb 5, 2019 1:55 am

Kinda cute how certain folks wait like 14 games to see Young have a bad night, then chime in on his play.

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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (III) 

Post#232 » by jayu70 » Tue Feb 5, 2019 2:11 am

kg01 wrote:Kinda cute how certain folks wait like 14 games to see Young have a bad night, then chime in on his play.

:roll:
It is not cute, disingenuous at best because he's not right. He can't be a actually watching the game, only scoreboard watching. Huerter has been the primary defender against Sato. Lol.
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (III) 

Post#233 » by kg01 » Tue Feb 5, 2019 2:17 am

jayu70 wrote:
kg01 wrote:Kinda cute how certain folks wait like 14 games to see Young have a bad night, then chime in on his play.

:roll:
It is not cute, disingenuous at best because he's not right. He can't be a actually watching the game, only scoreboard watching. Huerter has been the primary defender against Sato. Lol.


Mmhmm
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (III) 

Post#234 » by ATLHoops97 » Tue Feb 5, 2019 2:30 am

Hawks three first rounders all played a lot tonight, Trae didnt have his best night but still had a double double.

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Huerter 19/4/5 (5/7 from 3)
Spellman 16/10 (4/6 from 3)
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (III) 

Post#235 » by Bob8 » Tue Feb 5, 2019 3:23 am

jayu70 wrote:
kg01 wrote:Kinda cute how certain folks wait like 14 games to see Young have a bad night, then chime in on his play.

:roll:
It is not cute, disingenuous at best because he's not right. He can't be a actually watching the game, only scoreboard watching. Huerter has been the primary defender against Sato. Lol.


And who was guarding Trae?
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (III) 

Post#236 » by Bob8 » Tue Feb 5, 2019 3:26 am

kg01 wrote:Kinda cute how certain folks wait like 14 games to see Young have a bad night, then chime in on his play.

:roll:


So we didn’t talk about Trae yesterday?
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (III) 

Post#237 » by IllmaticHandler » Tue Feb 5, 2019 4:09 am

Bagley has been seriously balling.
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (III) 

Post#239 » by E-Balla » Tue Feb 5, 2019 5:05 am

IllmaticHandler wrote:Bagley has been seriously balling.

They don't wanna listen. He came back from his injury like gangbusters. The Wet Bandits both look good now.
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Post#240 » by nolang1 » Tue Feb 5, 2019 5:10 am

This is Bagley's best game as a pro I'd say. His box score stats from tonight are gonna look great (24 points, 12 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 steal, 3 blocks, 0 turnovers/fouls), but in addition to that he helps his teammates offensively in ways that aren't apparent from his three-point or assist numbers. People like to call him a 4/5 tweener, but the fact of the matter is that he's quick enough to guard 'modern' 4s like Rudy Gay on the perimeter while being such an interior presence that someone like Gay can't offer any help defense against Bagley's driving teammates lest he give up an automatic lob or dump-off pass for a dunk. Also the Kings are on a 47-win pace in games Bagley's played more than 5 minutes.

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