2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (III)

Shock Defeat · Post #241 » by **Shock Defeat** » Tue Feb 5, 2019 5:17 am

Bagley proving the Luka fanboys wrong

Post #242 » by **Duke4life831** » Tue Feb 5, 2019 5:21 am

Bagley's athleticism is something else to watch live. Damn he was impressive tonight.

JimmerAllStar · Post #243 » by **JimmerAllStar** » Tue Feb 5, 2019 5:28 am

Shock Defeat wrote:Bagley proving the Luka fanboys wrong

You mean Ayton fans. Doncic is still #1. But I think Bagley is better than Ayton. Suns messed up again.

Mephariel · Post #244 » by **Mephariel** » Tue Feb 5, 2019 5:29 am

Bagley's gifts are insane. And seriously, he doesn't really even know what he is doing yet. He isn't even hitting his free throws. 50% of the time he gets the ball, he looks like he just does the first thing that he thought of, and he still filling up the stat sheet.

nolang1 · Post #245 » by **nolang1** » Tue Feb 5, 2019 5:33 am

JimmerAllStar wrote:
Shock Defeat wrote:Bagley proving the Luka fanboys wrong

You mean Ayton fans. Doncic is still #1. But I think Bagley is better than Ayton. Suns messed up again.

Yeah I had Bagley #2 behind Doncic all along, and with the way the Kings are trying to play and them having Fox and Buddy in place already, it's a more than defensible pick.

kb02 · Post #246 » by **kb02** » Tue Feb 5, 2019 5:44 am

The game is slowing down for Bagley. Shooting threes, making mid range shots, grabbing a board, driving full court n passing to a teammate, n making the extra pass. That’s just the offensive side of the ball. On defense, he’s reading the gam3 bettter, flashin out against guards on rolls, n has much better positioning. Dude is going to be a beast.

NotaHypeJob · Post #247 » by **NotaHypeJob** » Tue Feb 5, 2019 5:45 am

JimmerAllStar wrote:
Shock Defeat wrote:Bagley proving the Luka fanboys wrong

You mean Ayton fans. Doncic is still #1. But I think Bagley is better than Ayton. Suns messed up again.

Bagley has been #1 all along and still is, nobody has this man's potential in this draft class. All time great athlete.with an all time great work ethic and motor, you kidding me? This man is going to tap 100% of his potential barring injury.

IllmaticHandler · Post #248 » by **IllmaticHandler** » Tue Feb 5, 2019 5:47 am

I said from the start of the season the Kings made the right pick. Why take the ball out of Fox hands, it would have been Luka vs DSJ all over again in sac but much less justified as Fox is the real deal.The Kings wanted to play high octane and there is no quicker or faster BIg than Bags. He solidifies thier identity. It Was easy to pick on Bagley in this thread but thise days are over l. No Kings fan should be feeling like they made the wrong pick. Vlade got it right. For the record I’m a Knick fan saying this.

Rockmaninoff · Post #249 » by **Rockmaninoff** » Tue Feb 5, 2019 6:03 am

ATLHoops97 wrote:Hawks three first rounders all played a lot tonight, Trae didnt have his best night but still had a double double.

Trae 10/10
Huerter 19/4/5 (5/7 from 3)
Spellman 16/10 (4/6 from 3)

Add Bol Bol to that, IMO.

scrabbarista · Post #250 » by **scrabbarista** » Tue Feb 5, 2019 6:13 am

Bagley beasted tonight! If you haven't watched the FreeDawkins yet, do yourself a favor.

This felt like an official arrival for Bagley: his "I matter in this league" moment. I've been a huge fan --- so pumped to see him coming through and excited to see where he goes.

Rockmaninoff · Post #251 » by **Rockmaninoff** » Tue Feb 5, 2019 6:15 am

Imon wrote:
Rockmaninoff wrote:Luka definitely has an advantage in experience with his copious high level Euro league play. It's not too surprising that he's been good immediately.

It is surprising that he's this good this soon, though. I thought Luka was Euro LeBron James when I saw him scrimmage the Thunder a couple years ago, but I'm still surprised.

Trae had some rough patches, but he's trending up now. AI/Nash hybrid is actually feasible.

I still find it hilarious that before he came into the NBA people were saying, "Euroleague means nothing - if Luka played against the best US college players we would have a better idea of his skill."
And now people are saying, "We knew he would be good all along - he was great in Euroleague after all."

I think that only mouth breathers were saying the first thing.

Anyone that's followed basketball long enough knows that the Euroleague is better than the NCAA, and that really young players that dominate in either league will typically be at least good in the NBA.

Luka will get better too because he's so young.

nolang1 · Post #252 » by **nolang1** » Tue Feb 5, 2019 6:19 am

IllmaticHandler wrote:I said from the start of the season the Kings made the right pick. Why take the ball out of Fox hands, it would have been Luka vs DSJ all over again in sac but much less justified as Fox is the real deal.The Kings wanted to play high octane and there is no quicker or faster BIg than Bags. He solidifies thier identity. It Was easy to pick on Bagley in this thread but thise days are over l. No Kings fan should be feeling like they made the wrong pick. Vlade got it right. For the record I’m a Knick fan saying this.

Even then it's not as much about taking the ball out of Fox's hands as that with Fox, Luka, and Buddy you'd have three perimeter players who don't have enough perimeter defense among them to make up for the fact that they wouldn't be able to share the ball perfectly.

KingFox · Post #253 » by **KingFox** » Tue Feb 5, 2019 7:03 am

Bagley makes us better every time he steps on the floor. Unbelievable that he really hasn’t even scratched the surface of his potential just yet

Dame Lizard · Post #254 » by **Dame Lizard** » Tue Feb 5, 2019 8:00 am

NotaHypeJob wrote:
JimmerAllStar wrote:
Shock Defeat wrote:Bagley proving the Luka fanboys wrong

You mean Ayton fans. Doncic is still #1. But I think Bagley is better than Ayton. Suns messed up again.

Bagley has been #1 all along and still is, nobody has this man's potential in this draft class. All time great athlete.with an all time great work ethic and motor, you kidding me? This man is going to tap 100% of his potential barring injury.

I hope you're not implying you'd take Bagley over Doncic....

Bagley could end up better than Doncic, but you should lose your job as GM if you, in hindsight, picked him 1 over Luka.

Bob8 · Post #255 » by **Bob8** » Tue Feb 5, 2019 8:19 am

Shock Defeat wrote:Bagley proving the Luka fanboys wrong

How is that? Because he had 24/12 game? Good for him. Luka's best game is 35/12/10 and he had 17 games with 24 points or more. 7 with 30 or more. Luka is averaging 23.2/8.3/6.4 in 2019. Maybe we should wait for a game or two to declare Bagley the best player from the 2018 draft?

batigol18 · Post #256 » by **batigol18** » Tue Feb 5, 2019 9:56 am

I actually believe that what Doncic is doing this season, has actually pushed in good way other rookies, especially those who were choosen before Luka at the draft.

They all want to prove that the difference between Luka and others is not so big as it looks like. They adapting and developing faster as they would be if there would be no Luka and his amazing rookie season...

Bob8 · Post #257 » by **Bob8** » Tue Feb 5, 2019 10:09 am

People are saying how great this years rookies look, but I don’t know why? stats are very similar between this years class and last years class. If anything 2017 class looking better. Ceiling talk is very misguiding, how many players from last year made big jump this year? Collins, Fox and that’s more or less it. Why would next year be different?

mcmurphy · Post #258 » by **mcmurphy** » Tue Feb 5, 2019 11:05 am

Vlade has done a great job the last two years... he had the courage to get rid of DMC when everyone was against it and the trade seemed like a joke

DMC is the antithesis of the Vlade Divac player... a player that sucks 37% of the possessions (best year of MJ was under 35%)

Now Fox and Hield are under 25%of USG, all players they feel part of a team... it can also be seen from the chemistry that they have developed

I also begin to understand why the choice of Bagley instead of Doncic (which I consider a superior player) but having focused on Fox and Hield was the only possible choice for Vlade... kudos to him

Young gun 6 · Post #259 » by **Young gun 6** » Tue Feb 5, 2019 11:21 am

It’s rare that the top 5 picks all end up being gun players, but it really is looking that way this year.

I don’t think anyone would be unhappy with their picks in the top 5 right now, although some would be potentially wishing they went for Doncic.

The rest are all great picks at their position and you’d be hard pressed to change any teams pick outside of wanting Doncic.

Bob8 · Post #260 » by **Bob8** » Tue Feb 5, 2019 11:28 am

Young gun 6 wrote:It’s rare that the top 5 picks all end up being gun players, but it really is looking that way this year.

I don’t think anyone would be unhappy with their picks in the top 5 right now, although some would be potentially wishing they went for Doncic.

The rest are all great picks at their position and you’d be hard pressed to change any teams pick outside of wanting Doncic.

Yes, it looks that top5 were very deservedly picked first. But when we’re comparing last years rookies, Simmons included

, I don’t see much of the difference in the top5 with 2018 ( Simmons, Mitchell, Tatum, Collins, Fox) and 2017 draft looks even deeper.