Trade Vucevic poll

[Furinkazan]

Voted to trade Vuc just based on the direction I feel the team should be focused on going but I gotta say I almost voted the opposite just to spite the almost unbearable Skin.

Let the hate flow. Come to the dark side....

Its not hate.
its fn mr.common sense.

Somehing that didnt work for 7 years and is still not working you push for more of the same.Where is logic in this? where is common sense?

[pepe1991]

Voted to trade Vuc just based on the direction I feel the team should be focused on going but I gotta say I almost voted the opposite just to spite the almost unbearable Skin.

Let the hate flow. Come to the dark side....

Its not hate.
its fn mr.common sense.

Somehing that didnt work for 7 years and is still not working you push for more of the same.Where is logic in this? where is common sense?

Let me get it straight:
you want to trade best player for low blow offer ( late first rounder ), to focus on "young guys " who even today, playing smaller roles can't get a job done , focus more on lottery- that landed that fundamentally limited players and tank for more years ,despite same approach is proven failure for past 7 years ?

In mean time even without Vuc Magic won't have money to do anything in FA, lottery change does not guarantee Magic top 3 pick in next 2 years even if they are the worst team every.


I just don't understand how after Oladipo and Harris failure anybody can even think that losing good player for nothing is "smart".

Where is common sense in that?

btw next year you roll with Isaac, Gordon and Bamba, one gets hurt , other still can't reach 10 points on regular bases and other gets angry with direction and wants to leave ( while playing 6th nba season without any playoff hopes )and what to do next?

[p0peye]

In case I haven't stated this earlier, we need to trade Vučević because he is leaving in FA, or it would take considerable overpay to keep him. Overpay would be OK if we're keeping a winning team together, but with or without him we will still suck. Young guys are nowhere near ready to contribute and we are struck financially until Mozgov and Furnier expire.

[Furinkazan]

Let the hate flow. Come to the dark side....

Its not hate.
its fn mr.common sense.

Somehing that didnt work for 7 years and is still not working you push for more of the same.Where is logic in this? where is common sense?

Let me get it straight:
you want to trade best player for low blow offer ( late first rounder ), to focus on "young guys " who even today, playing smaller roles can't get a job done , focus more on lottery- that landed that fundamentally limited players and tank for more years ,despite same approach is proven failure for past 7 years ?

In mean time even without Vuc Magic won't have money to do anything in FA, lottery change does not guarantee Magic top 3 pick in next 2 years even if they are the worst team every.


I just don't understand how after Oladipo and Harris failure anybody can even think that losing good player for nothing is "smart".

Where is common sense in that?

btw next year you roll with Isaac, Gordon and Bamba, one gets hurt , other still can't reach 10 points on regular bases and other gets angry with direction and wants to leave ( while playing 6th nba season without any playoff hopes )and what to do next?

Let me get this straight.
You are clueless.
and I could just end this conversation on that.

but
You conradict your own thought process as you bash and basicly give up on 20 year olds and then you complain we traded other young guys.
How can you compare 28 old Vooch to what was Harris and Dipo 23 at the time ?and basiclyproving that we shoudnt give up on them.
Yes we shoudnt.It was totally different situation They were young and still had upside.Im willing to give up on a 28 yo who peaked but cant lead us even to 8th spot on a very weak East.

Vooch must be least valued by GMs ALL star I ever heard of.I think even Chris Gatling had more value back in the day.That also says something.
Vooch 3 years on the market and nobody is willing to give up anything of value for him.They didnt while he was on a great contract They wont when he will be on around 20 mil.Yes he produce but he produce empty stats.He doesnt produce wins.BTW as you pointed out we dont have money to put better players around him and as you condamn trading players too soon (DIpo Harris)You want me to watch same **** for 8th str8 year?Or do you want to give up Bamba and Isaac because you labeled them finished products...(same as people did with Dipo and harris back then)
and you ask me where is common sense?

but fine

[pepe1991]

You conradict your own thought process as you bash and basicly give up on 20 year olds and then you complain we traded other young guys.
How can you compare 28 old Vooch to what was Harris and Dipo 23 at the time ?and basiclyproving that we shoudnt give up on them.

I never said Magic should dump young players. BUt move medicore prospects until their value doesn't deminish further for actual nba level players or better assets is called asset menagment.

Harris and Oladipo were younger, but also much worst players when they were moved than Vuc. HOWEVER it's not issuse that they were traded, but what Magic got ( or didn't get ) in return.

Vooch must be least valued by GMs ALL star I ever heard of.I think even Chris Gatling had more value back in the day.That also says something.

This is false and flat out dumb.
Kyle Korver, Paul Millsap Jeff Teague , 3 allstars from 3 years ago.

Vooch 3 years on the market and nobody is willing to give up anything of value for him.

Do you sit in front office and know offers? No. So you treat subjective opinion based on rumors as factual , objective point. That's on you.

They didnt while he was on a great contract They wont when he will be on around 20 mil.Yes he produce but he produce empty stats

Empty stats because you value them as such. Yet your D gets all pumped up with blood when Isaac puts up 13 points on 4-12 shooting but than it's not empty stats but "showing flashes" so what is it ? Either both stats are empty or both stats are telling. You can't charry pick. Not just Isaac but Bamba, Gordon, Frazier, Iwundu or whoever.

BTW as you pointed out we dont have money to put better players around him and as you condamn trading players too soon (DIpo Harris)You want me to watch same **** for 8th str8 year?Or do you want to give up Bamba and Isaac because you labeled them scrubs and finished products...(same as people did with Dipo and harris back then)
and you ask me where is common sense?

For god knows how many times i repeat same thing . Oladipo and Harris could both be packaged into a trade for Jimmy Butler, Paul George, Dragić, Thad Young, Rivers, Brandon Knight, Jr Smith, Rondo, Crowder... (all moved in that period ) yet Magic got IBAKA on exp deal, Illyasova - on exp deal and Jennings- on exp deal. Problem is returning (non existing)value. Not trade itself.
Other teams used Oladipo and Harris to get Blake Griffin and Paul George. Magic used them to get 4 months of Serge Ibaka.

[basketballRob]

You conradict your own thought process as you bash and basicly give up on 20 year olds and then you complain we traded other young guys.
How can you compare 28 old Vooch to what was Harris and Dipo 23 at the time ?and basiclyproving that we shoudnt give up on them.

I never said Magic should dump young players. BUt move medicore prospects until their value doesn't deminish further for actual nba level players or better assets is called asset menagment.

Harris and Oladipo were younger, but also much worst players when they were moved than Vuc. HOWEVER it's not issuse that they were traded, but what Magic got ( or didn't get ) in return.

Vooch must be least valued by GMs ALL star I ever heard of.I think even Chris Gatling had more value back in the day.That also says something.

This is false and flat out dumb.
Kyle Korver, Paul Millsap Jeff Teague , 3 allstars from 3 years ago.

Vooch 3 years on the market and nobody is willing to give up anything of value for him.

Do you sit in front office and know offers? No. So you treat subjective opinion based on rumors as factual , objective point. That's on you.

They didnt while he was on a great contract They wont when he will be on around 20 mil.Yes he produce but he produce empty stats

Empty stats because you value them as such. Yet your D gets all pumped up with blood when Isaac puts up 13 points on 4-12 shooting but than it's not empty stats but "showing flashes" so what is it ? Either both stats are empty or both stats are telling. You can't charry pick. Not just Isaac but Bamba, Gordon, Frazier, Iwundu or whoever.

BTW as you pointed out we dont have money to put better players around him and as you condamn trading players too soon (DIpo Harris)You want me to watch same **** for 8th str8 year?Or do you want to give up Bamba and Isaac because you labeled them scrubs and finished products...(same as people did with Dipo and harris back then)
and you ask me where is common sense?

For god knows how many times i repeat same thing . Oladipo and Harris could both be packaged into a trade for Jimmy Butler, Paul George, Dragić, Thad Young, Rivers, Brandon Knight, Jr Smith, Rondo, Crowder... (all moved in that period ) yet Magic got IBAKA on exp deal, Illyasova - on exp deal and Jennings- on exp deal. Problem is returning (non existing)value. Not trade itself.
Other teams used Oladipo and Harris to get Blake Griffin and Paul George. Magic used them to get 4 months of Serge Ibaka.

I think it's too early to call Isaac, Bamba, and Frazier mediocre prospects.

Trading for Blake Griffin wasn't a positive.

Serge didn't like playing with Vuc it was apparent. Now he's went on to be a substantial player on a winning team as usual.

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[pepe1991]

Actually both Goerge and Griffin trades were possible if Hennigan didn't rush moves and played his cards better.

June 23rd 2016 Oladipo was sent to Oklahoma,
July 1st 2017 Oladipo and Sabonis traded for George.


Harris :
February 2016 to Detroit for Ilyasova and Jennings
January 2018 to Clippers , with Bradley and Marjanović for Griffin.

So, in some alternate reality Magic last year could have had starting line up of : Elf/DJ - Evan- Paul Geroge- Griffin and Vučević

assuming that Gordon would be traded in Griffin trade.

But people here can't wrap their heads around notion that Oladipo/Harris trades main issue is returning value, not trades. Trades happend every year.
Only thing Hennigan had to do is to be more patient and cash in at right moment,yet on Speculation thread people are losing their minds because team is doing nothing despite fact there is nothing to be done , in middle of season, during playoff hunt. MAYBE make another playoff - push trade , Grant and second rounder for better PG or something like that...

[basketballRob]

Actually both Goerge and Griffin trades were possible if Hennigan didn't rush moves and played his cards better.

June 23rd 2016 Oladipo was sent to Oklahoma,
July 1st 2017 Oladipo and Sabonis traded for George.


Harris :
February 2016 to Detroit for Ilyasova and Jennings
Februrary 2018 to Clippers , with Bradley and Marjanović for Griffin.

So, in some alternate reality Magic last year could have had starting line up of : Elf/DJ - Evan- Paul Geroge- Griffin and Vučević

assuming that Gordon would be traded in Griffin trade.

But people here can't wrap their heads around notion that Oladipo/Harris trades main issue is returning value, not trades. Trades happend every year.

Vucevic and Griffin on the same team would be a train wreck. First off it would be comical to see them fighting each other for the ball, second we would have a huge amount of money tied up in a losing team.

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[pepe1991]

Actually both Goerge and Griffin trades were possible if Hennigan didn't rush moves and played his cards better.

June 23rd 2016 Oladipo was sent to Oklahoma,
July 1st 2017 Oladipo and Sabonis traded for George.


Harris :
February 2016 to Detroit for Ilyasova and Jennings
Februrary 2018 to Clippers , with Bradley and Marjanović for Griffin.

So, in some alternate reality Magic last year could have had starting line up of : Elf/DJ - Evan- Paul Geroge- Griffin and Vučević

assuming that Gordon would be traded in Griffin trade.

But people here can't wrap their heads around notion that Oladipo/Harris trades main issue is returning value, not trades. Trades happend every year.

Vucevic and Griffin on the same team would be a train wreck. First off it would be comical to see them fighting each other for the ball, second we would have a huge amount of money tied up in a losing team.

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Behing Joker they are among best passing bigs in whole league...
Even spacing would not be an issue now when both shoot 3s.

If Griffin works well off Drummond who has some of worst FGA in history he could work with Vuc as well.

( In general whoever told Drummond to shoot ball should be locked in mental institution)

[basketballRob]

Actually both Goerge and Griffin trades were possible if Hennigan didn't rush moves and played his cards better.

June 23rd 2016 Oladipo was sent to Oklahoma,
July 1st 2017 Oladipo and Sabonis traded for George.


Harris :
February 2016 to Detroit for Ilyasova and Jennings
Februrary 2018 to Clippers , with Bradley and Marjanović for Griffin.

So, in some alternate reality Magic last year could have had starting line up of : Elf/DJ - Evan- Paul Geroge- Griffin and Vučević

assuming that Gordon would be traded in Griffin trade.

But people here can't wrap their heads around notion that Oladipo/Harris trades main issue is returning value, not trades. Trades happend every year.

Vucevic and Griffin on the same team would be a train wreck. First off it would be comical to see them fighting each other for the ball, second we would have a huge amount of money tied up in a losing team.

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Behing Joker they are among best passing bigs in whole league...
Even spacing would not be an issue now when both shoot 3s.

If Griffin works well off Drummond who has some of worst FGA in history he could work with Vuc as well.

If you check the standings the Pistons aren't doing good and Griffin doesn't impact winning.

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[pepe1991]

Vucevic and Griffin on the same team would be a train wreck. First off it would be comical to see them fighting each other for the ball, second we would have a huge amount of money tied up in a losing team.

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Behing Joker they are among best passing bigs in whole league...
Even spacing would not be an issue now when both shoot 3s.

If Griffin works well off Drummond who has some of worst FGA in history he could work with Vuc as well.

If you check the standings the Pistons aren't doing good and Griffin doesn't impact winning.

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They have worst guards than Magic.

[basketballRob]

Behing Joker they are among best passing bigs in whole league...
Even spacing would not be an issue now when both shoot 3s.

If Griffin works well off Drummond who has some of worst FGA in history he could work with Vuc as well.

If you check the standings the Pistons aren't doing good and Griffin doesn't impact winning.

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They have worst guards than Magic.

With the huge amount of money they pay to an empty stat guy like Griffin they can't afford any other players.

I'd do agree with you about Fournier not being good.

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[pepe1991]

If you check the standings the Pistons aren't doing good and Griffin doesn't impact winning.

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They have worst guards than Magic.

With the huge amount of money they pay to an empty stat guy like Griffin they can't afford any other players.

I'd do agree with you about Fournier not being good.

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I agree that Griffin is overpayed.
Evan is ok player but also overpayed a bit.

[SOUL]

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=1779440&start=200

If you look at Charlotte forum, they are basically in same position but with Kemba, who had some nice years, took a while to become efficient and provide more impact (like Vuc), and then has some crazy all-star years. Half of them think Kemba should be moved, the others say he is an obvious all-star that is good for their team.

I'm just of the belief that we need to build something new, tear it down. Thank Vuc for his great years and get good assets out of him. Not trading him because he is the problem, but is not the answer either despite easily being our best player this year. And no, I'm not that we have "answers" behind him on the roster currently, but just going a different direction entirely is what teams in all sports do all the time.

If I was a Charlotte fan, I'd vote to move Kemba as well, and I think he impacts the game more offensively and is in a position of bigger need, but I still would feel like with him, it would be a 8th seed to 10-15 pick lottery for even more years like they have been, just like the Magic have been in our not quite top pick hell/fading playoff dreams by Jan/Feb every year.

Trading Vucevic doesn't make it his fault, nor does it make people "haters". It's just a direction people want to go in.

[pepe1991]

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=1779440&start=200

If you look at Charlotte forum, they are basically in same position but with Kemba, who had some nice years, took a while to become efficient and provide more impact (like Vuc), and then has some crazy all-star years. Half of them think Kemba should be moved, the others say he is an obvious all-star that is good for their team.

I'm just of the belief that we need to build something new, tear it down. Thank Vuc for his great years and get good assets out of him. Not trading him because he is the problem, but is not the answer either despite easily being our best player this year. And no, I'm not that we have "answers" behind him on the roster currently, but just going a different direction entirely is what teams in all sports do all the time.

If I was a Charlotte fan, I'd vote to move Kemba as well, and I think he impacts the game more offensively and is in a position of bigger need, but I still would feel like with him, it would be a 8th seed to 10-15 pick lottery for even more years like they have been, just like the Magic have been in our not quite top pick hell/fading playoff dreams by Jan/Feb every year.

Trading Vucevic doesn't make it his fault, nor does it make people "haters". It's just a direction people want to go in.

People here. If you go on OPP there is almost nobody who wants to trade Vučević.

Not sure what's up with Magic reddit posters as i hate their vote concept and never posted word there.

IMO one of main difference between good teams ( Spurs, Celtics ) and bad teams ( Hornets, Magic) are how they handle Vuc/Kemba.

Spurs had millions of reasons to blow team up in 2013, just went to nba finals, failed on choke and mental mistakes, team got old, there was no hope, yet they refused to dispatch whole team and tried again. Won ring next year. You can say same scenario happend in 2006 when they lost to Dallas in second round, first round exit in 2011 ...
Even last year they had millions of reasons to take young prospects and tank. Yet, look at them, 1 win away from 3rd seed on West. With Derozan and Aldrige.

Celtics never really tanked. In 2014-15 won 25 games, drafted MARCUS SMART, took Stevens and never even attemped to tank once , despite people like you ( or me in past,because lottery was different ) would argue tanking is only option.
Instad,they won 40 games next year, 48 year later ( with emerge of Thomas), than signed Al Horford for max money. Thomas was 28, Horford was 30. That goes against everything you preach. ( not just you, half of forum).

This "rebuild" is never ending process that you want Magic to do .You draft player , play him for 4-5 years ,than he becomes 26 or so years old and he is no longer " part of future" and you trade him. Where is endgame of that "strategy" ? Keep repeating it until you get Durant ,Westbrook and Harden in lottery ?
Gordon two years from now will be 25, are we trading him at that point because timeline of his prime isn't same as timeline of 19 years old player we drafted at that point?

Vicious circle of sucking for no good reason but to "get better later". Until the point where later becomes present and present becomes too grim so you have to suck more to be better later- again.


In mean time Hornets were walking mockery of nba, tanked for years to draft Biyombo and MKG In lottery, got lucky with development of Walker, made playoffs, made terrible trades, did horrible with later lottery picks ( Kaminsky) and now they have think about moving only player that makes them relevant. Sounds so familiar doesn't it?

[basketballRob]

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=1779440&start=200

If you look at Charlotte forum, they are basically in same position but with Kemba, who had some nice years, took a while to become efficient and provide more impact (like Vuc), and then has some crazy all-star years. Half of them think Kemba should be moved, the others say he is an obvious all-star that is good for their team.

I'm just of the belief that we need to build something new, tear it down. Thank Vuc for his great years and get good assets out of him. Not trading him because he is the problem, but is not the answer either despite easily being our best player this year. And no, I'm not that we have "answers" behind him on the roster currently, but just going a different direction entirely is what teams in all sports do all the time.

If I was a Charlotte fan, I'd vote to move Kemba as well, and I think he impacts the game more offensively and is in a position of bigger need, but I still would feel like with him, it would be a 8th seed to 10-15 pick lottery for even more years like they have been, just like the Magic have been in our not quite top pick hell/fading playoff dreams by Jan/Feb every year.

Trading Vucevic doesn't make it his fault, nor does it make people "haters". It's just a direction people want to go in.

People here. If you go on OPP there is almost nobody who wants to trade Vučević.

Not sure what's up with Magic reddit posters as i hate their vote concept and never posted word there.

IMO one of main difference between good teams ( Spurs, Celtics ) and bad teams ( Hornets, Magic) are how they handle Vuc/Kemba.

Spurs had millions of reasons to blow team up in 2013, just went to nba finals, failed on choke and mental mistakes, team got old, there was no hope, yet they refused to dispatch whole team and tried again. Won ring next year. You can say same scenario happend in 2006 when they lost to Dallas in second round, first round exit in 2011 ...
Even last year they had millions of reasons to take young prospects and tank. Yet, look at them, 1 win away from 3rd seed on West. With Derozan and Aldrige.

Celtics never really tanked. In 2014-15 won 25 games, drafted MARCUS SMART, took Stevens and never even attemped to tank once , despite people like you ( or me in past,because lottery was different ) would argue tanking is only option.
Instad,they won 40 games next year, 48 year later ( with emerge of Thomas), than signed Al Horford for max money.

This "rebuild" is never ending process that you want Magic to do .You draft player , play him for 4-5 years ,than he becomes 26 or so years old and he is no longer " part of future" and you trade him. Where is endgame of that "strategy" ? Keep repeating it until you get Durant ,Westbrook and Harden in lottery ?
Gordon two years from now will be 25, are we trading him at that point because timeline of his prime isn't same as timeline of 19 years old player we traded at that point?

Vicious circle of sucking for no good reason but to "get better later". Until the point where later becomes present and present becomes too grim so you have to suck more to be better later- again.

The Spurs tanked to get Duncan and I wouldn't be surprised if they don't tank again in the next couple of years.

Look at the Knicks, next year their roster could consist of Zion, Durant, Irving, and a bunch of future draft picks.

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[pepe1991]

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=1779440&start=200

If you look at Charlotte forum, they are basically in same position but with Kemba, who had some nice years, took a while to become efficient and provide more impact (like Vuc), and then has some crazy all-star years. Half of them think Kemba should be moved, the others say he is an obvious all-star that is good for their team.

I'm just of the belief that we need to build something new, tear it down. Thank Vuc for his great years and get good assets out of him. Not trading him because he is the problem, but is not the answer either despite easily being our best player this year. And no, I'm not that we have "answers" behind him on the roster currently, but just going a different direction entirely is what teams in all sports do all the time.

If I was a Charlotte fan, I'd vote to move Kemba as well, and I think he impacts the game more offensively and is in a position of bigger need, but I still would feel like with him, it would be a 8th seed to 10-15 pick lottery for even more years like they have been, just like the Magic have been in our not quite top pick hell/fading playoff dreams by Jan/Feb every year.

Trading Vucevic doesn't make it his fault, nor does it make people "haters". It's just a direction people want to go in.

People here. If you go on OPP there is almost nobody who wants to trade Vučević.

Not sure what's up with Magic reddit posters as i hate their vote concept and never posted word there.

IMO one of main difference between good teams ( Spurs, Celtics ) and bad teams ( Hornets, Magic) are how they handle Vuc/Kemba.

Spurs had millions of reasons to blow team up in 2013, just went to nba finals, failed on choke and mental mistakes, team got old, there was no hope, yet they refused to dispatch whole team and tried again. Won ring next year. You can say same scenario happend in 2006 when they lost to Dallas in second round, first round exit in 2011 ...
Even last year they had millions of reasons to take young prospects and tank. Yet, look at them, 1 win away from 3rd seed on West. With Derozan and Aldrige.

Celtics never really tanked. In 2014-15 won 25 games, drafted MARCUS SMART, took Stevens and never even attemped to tank once , despite people like you ( or me in past,because lottery was different ) would argue tanking is only option.
Instad,they won 40 games next year, 48 year later ( with emerge of Thomas), than signed Al Horford for max money.

This "rebuild" is never ending process that you want Magic to do .You draft player , play him for 4-5 years ,than he becomes 26 or so years old and he is no longer " part of future" and you trade him. Where is endgame of that "strategy" ? Keep repeating it until you get Durant ,Westbrook and Harden in lottery ?
Gordon two years from now will be 25, are we trading him at that point because timeline of his prime isn't same as timeline of 19 years old player we traded at that point?

Vicious circle of sucking for no good reason but to "get better later". Until the point where later becomes present and present becomes too grim so you have to suck more to be better later- again.

The Spurs tanked to get Duncan and I wouldn't be surprised if they don't tank again in the next couple of years.

Look at the Knicks, next year their roster could consist of Zion, Durant, Irving, and a bunch of future draft picks.

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They didn't really tank for Duncan, they just lost Robinson in right time.

Knicks are the biggest market in whole world. It's mindblowing how bad they are at menaging basketball with so much things to offer for their FAs. ( having too hot headed media probably doesn't help )

[NotACat]

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=1779440&start=200

If you look at Charlotte forum, they are basically in same position but with Kemba, who had some nice years, took a while to become efficient and provide more impact (like Vuc), and then has some crazy all-star years. Half of them think Kemba should be moved, the others say he is an obvious all-star that is good for their team.

I'm just of the belief that we need to build something new, tear it down. Thank Vuc for his great years and get good assets out of him. Not trading him because he is the problem, but is not the answer either despite easily being our best player this year. And no, I'm not that we have "answers" behind him on the roster currently, but just going a different direction entirely is what teams in all sports do all the time.

If I was a Charlotte fan, I'd vote to move Kemba as well, and I think he impacts the game more offensively and is in a position of bigger need, but I still would feel like with him, it would be a 8th seed to 10-15 pick lottery for even more years like they have been, just like the Magic have been in our not quite top pick hell/fading playoff dreams by Jan/Feb every year.

Trading Vucevic doesn't make it his fault, nor does it make people "haters". It's just a direction people want to go in.

People here. If you go on OPP there is almost nobody who wants to trade Vučević.

Not sure what's up with Magic reddit posters as i hate their vote concept and never posted word there.

IMO one of main difference between good teams ( Spurs, Celtics ) and bad teams ( Hornets, Magic) are how they handle Vuc/Kemba.

Spurs had millions of reasons to blow team up in 2013, just went to nba finals, failed on choke and mental mistakes, team got old, there was no hope, yet they refused to dispatch whole team and tried again. Won ring next year. You can say same scenario happend in 2006 when they lost to Dallas in second round, first round exit in 2011 ...
Even last year they had millions of reasons to take young prospects and tank. Yet, look at them, 1 win away from 3rd seed on West. With Derozan and Aldrige.

Celtics never really tanked. In 2014-15 won 25 games, drafted MARCUS SMART, took Stevens and never even attemped to tank once , despite people like you ( or me in past,because lottery was different ) would argue tanking is only option.
Instad,they won 40 games next year, 48 year later ( with emerge of Thomas), than signed Al Horford for max money.

This "rebuild" is never ending process that you want Magic to do .You draft player , play him for 4-5 years ,than he becomes 26 or so years old and he is no longer " part of future" and you trade him. Where is endgame of that "strategy" ? Keep repeating it until you get Durant ,Westbrook and Harden in lottery ?
Gordon two years from now will be 25, are we trading him at that point because timeline of his prime isn't same as timeline of 19 years old player we traded at that point?

Vicious circle of sucking for no good reason but to "get better later". Until the point where later becomes present and present becomes too grim so you have to suck more to be better later- again.

The Spurs tanked to get Duncan and I wouldn't be surprised if they don't tank again in the next couple of years.

Look at the Knicks, next year their roster could consist of Zion, Durant, Irving, and a bunch of future draft picks.

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Spurs didn't "tank" like how teams tank today, David Robinson got hurt and that annihilated their chances that season.

[basketballRob]

People here. If you go on OPP there is almost nobody who wants to trade Vučević.

Not sure what's up with Magic reddit posters as i hate their vote concept and never posted word there.

IMO one of main difference between good teams ( Spurs, Celtics ) and bad teams ( Hornets, Magic) are how they handle Vuc/Kemba.

Spurs had millions of reasons to blow team up in 2013, just went to nba finals, failed on choke and mental mistakes, team got old, there was no hope, yet they refused to dispatch whole team and tried again. Won ring next year. You can say same scenario happend in 2006 when they lost to Dallas in second round, first round exit in 2011 ...
Even last year they had millions of reasons to take young prospects and tank. Yet, look at them, 1 win away from 3rd seed on West. With Derozan and Aldrige.

Celtics never really tanked. In 2014-15 won 25 games, drafted MARCUS SMART, took Stevens and never even attemped to tank once , despite people like you ( or me in past,because lottery was different ) would argue tanking is only option.
Instad,they won 40 games next year, 48 year later ( with emerge of Thomas), than signed Al Horford for max money.

This "rebuild" is never ending process that you want Magic to do .You draft player , play him for 4-5 years ,than he becomes 26 or so years old and he is no longer " part of future" and you trade him. Where is endgame of that "strategy" ? Keep repeating it until you get Durant ,Westbrook and Harden in lottery ?
Gordon two years from now will be 25, are we trading him at that point because timeline of his prime isn't same as timeline of 19 years old player we traded at that point?

Vicious circle of sucking for no good reason but to "get better later". Until the point where later becomes present and present becomes too grim so you have to suck more to be better later- again.

The Spurs tanked to get Duncan and I wouldn't be surprised if they don't tank again in the next couple of years.

Look at the Knicks, next year their roster could consist of Zion, Durant, Irving, and a bunch of future draft picks.

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They didn't really tank for Duncan, they just lost Robinson in right time.

Knicks are the biggest market in whole world. It's mindblowing how bad they are at menaging basketball with so much things to offer for their FAs. ( having too hot headed media probably doesn't help )

The Spurs had the worst record in the league.

Boston tanked for a couple of years too.

I don't really want to tank here, I just want to commit to the young guys and see if they can develop in the next couple if years.


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[Nemesis21]

I can't believe half has voted for option B. It's A all the way. Trade now.

I can't believe half has voted for option A. It's B all the way. Re-sign him now.

Get off the drugs.