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Should we trade Nikola Vucevic

Trade Vucevic before trade deadline.
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Try to sign him to a new contract.
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46%
Let him walk in free agency.
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2%
 
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Re: Trade Vucevic poll 

Post#61 » by Nemesis21 » Tue Feb 5, 2019 2:02 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
Skin wrote:I must say... I'm pleasantly surprise and happy that the vote is currently at 19 to 19. I thought there was an overwhelming favoritism to Vuc here. Kudos to the Anti-Vuc Fight Team! MagicMatic, BambaExpress, Martinzisafraud, Furinkazan, Nemesis, jragg! :D


I’m not Anti Vuc the player.. I’m Anti Vuc on this roster/team. Feel like there is a HUGE difference between being a hater and seeing that building around him is pretty difficult for Magic the next 2-3 years.



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Post#62 » by GameOver25 » Tue Feb 5, 2019 2:25 pm

Question for everyone who wants Vuc to stay.

Do you guys think WeHam have the desire to build with Vuc and build the right way with him? This is not their guy, unfortunately he's a Hennigan leftover. I'd rather cut ties with him now and allow WeHam to build the team they envision. I know we take the risk of them building a crap roster, but it's obvious as of now there's still a mix of old regime player and some new regime players. People are just tired of the old and again given we have a new front office with a different path (of course the evaluation process is tiresome).

I just believe it's time to hit the reset button.
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Re: Trade Vucevic poll 

Post#63 » by VFX » Tue Feb 5, 2019 2:35 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
SOUL wrote:viewtopic.php?f=53&t=1779440&start=200

If you look at Charlotte forum, they are basically in same position but with Kemba, who had some nice years, took a while to become efficient and provide more impact (like Vuc), and then has some crazy all-star years. Half of them think Kemba should be moved, the others say he is an obvious all-star that is good for their team.

I'm just of the belief that we need to build something new, tear it down. Thank Vuc for his great years and get good assets out of him. Not trading him because he is the problem, but is not the answer either despite easily being our best player this year. And no, I'm not that we have "answers" behind him on the roster currently, but just going a different direction entirely is what teams in all sports do all the time.

If I was a Charlotte fan, I'd vote to move Kemba as well, and I think he impacts the game more offensively and is in a position of bigger need, but I still would feel like with him, it would be a 8th seed to 10-15 pick lottery for even more years like they have been, just like the Magic have been in our not quite top pick hell/fading playoff dreams by Jan/Feb every year.

Trading Vucevic doesn't make it his fault, nor does it make people "haters". It's just a direction people want to go in.


This "rebuild" is never ending process that you want Magic to do .You draft player , play him for 4-5 years ,than he becomes 26 or so years old and he is no longer " part of future" and you trade him. Where is endgame of that "strategy" ? Keep repeating it until you get Durant ,Westbrook and Harden in lottery ?
Gordon two years from now will be 25, are we trading him at that point because timeline of his prime isn't same as timeline of 19 years old player we drafted at that point?

Vicious circle of sucking for no good reason but to "get better later". Until the point where later becomes present and present becomes too grim so you have to suck more to be better later- again.


In mean time Hornets were walking mockery of nba, tanked for years to draft Biyombo and MKG In lottery, got lucky with development of Walker, made playoffs, made terrible trades, did horrible with later lottery picks ( Kaminsky) and now they have think about moving only player that makes them relevant. Sounds so familiar doesn't it?


The point of moving on from Vuc has nothing to do with him as the “best” player on a sub .500 team since 2012. Its everything to do with the roster construction being stuck in neutral with little to no room for growth.

There are maybe a handful of players on this roster that would net Orlando an ok return on the market. Vuc is probably the middle of the pack ranging between AG,Isaac, and DJ, Iwundu. The biggest problem for Orlando (like Charlotte) is that they’ve drafted positions with very low trade value (bigs) and put players on untradable contracts that aren’t going to give them enough return to change their roster. That’s where Orlando is too.

So, we either keep Vuc and run the same system we’ve been running forever, or we actually shuffle the deck and go for a more youth based rebuild. I trust Clifford more than I thought I would upon his hiring. However, I want to see what he can do with developing a system on his own and not having to be relegated to scheming around Vuc every single night. Build something sustainable for once. I’d rather this team suck for 2 years, rather than be the same middling team for 5.

If you truly believe the young guys on this roster are bad, why then would you want to roll with this lineup and bank on drafting 10-15 every year as the only source of talent acquisition?
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Re: Trade Vucevic poll 

Post#64 » by OrlChamps2030 » Tue Feb 5, 2019 2:38 pm

GameOver25 wrote:Question for everyone who wants Vuc to stay.

Do you guys think WeHam have the desire to build with Vuc and build the right way with him? This is not their guy, unfortunately he's a Hennigan leftover. I'd rather cut ties with him now and allow WeHam to build the team they envision. I know we take the risk of them building a crap roster, but it's obvious as of now there's still a mix of old regime player and some new regime players. People are just tired of the old and again given we have a new front office with a different path (of course the evaluation process is tiresome).

I just believe it's time to hit the reset button.


You seriously think this front office will trade Vucevic after he became an all star? And hit reset after?

I don’t think this front office has shown they will make any ballsy moves like that. I think they are content not being in last place and fighting for the 8th seed.But we will see

This thread is a trap, expecting Vucevic to be traded is just unrealistic at this point
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Re: Trade Vucevic poll 

Post#65 » by pepe1991 » Tue Feb 5, 2019 2:38 pm

GameOver25 wrote:Question for everyone who wants Vuc to stay.

Do you guys think WeHam have the desire to build with Vuc and build the right way with him? This is not their guy, unfortunately he's a Hennigan leftover. I'd rather cut ties with him now and allow WeHam to build the team they envision. I know we take the risk of them building a crap roster, but it's obvious as of now there's still a mix of old regime player and some new regime players. People are just tired of the old and again given we have a new front office with a different path (of course the evaluation process is tiresome).

I just believe it's time to hit the reset button.


Gordon, Vuc, Evan, Ross ,DJ are also Hennigan guys. they are also 5 best Magic players. By same logic team should trade them all.

I don't really think evaluation is really still in place, it's more of questioning what's best direction to take.

There is zero reason to belive that Isaac + Bamba + another 6-14 pick from 2019 are good peaces for successful playoff roster in future. And in same time, if Vuc is indeed gone, Magic have only Aaron Gordon as player who is actually asset. ( asumming you won't break JI and MB)

In poll of 66 votes in, votes are almost split in half. Most people who want Vuc to stay don't really argue others like i do :lol:

As for Vuc trade and blaming Weham it's kind a silly, whole league ( minus Dallas ) is static and passive as they wait Davis trade and whole situation with him. Also trading him now is pretty pointless when he is turning into allstar.
btw in their CV will now forever say : Took Orlando in 2018, made first allstar player in 2019. Ofc they won't trade him within next 2 days.
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Re: Trade Vucevic poll 

Post#66 » by GameOver25 » Tue Feb 5, 2019 3:02 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
GameOver25 wrote:Question for everyone who wants Vuc to stay.

Do you guys think WeHam have the desire to build with Vuc and build the right way with him? This is not their guy, unfortunately he's a Hennigan leftover. I'd rather cut ties with him now and allow WeHam to build the team they envision. I know we take the risk of them building a crap roster, but it's obvious as of now there's still a mix of old regime player and some new regime players. People are just tired of the old and again given we have a new front office with a different path (of course the evaluation process is tiresome).

I just believe it's time to hit the reset button.


Gordon, Vuc, Evan, Ross ,DJ are also Hennigan guys. they are also 5 best Magic players. By same logic team should trade them all.

I don't really think evaluation is really still in place, it's more of questioning what's best direction to take.

There is zero reason to belive that Isaac + Bamba + another 6-14 pick from 2019 are good peaces for successful playoff roster in future. And in same time, if Vuc is indeed gone, Magic have only Aaron Gordon as player who is actually asset. ( asumming you won't break JI and MB)

In poll of 66 votes in, votes are almost split in half. Most people who want Vuc to stay don't really argue others like i do :lol:

As for Vuc trade and blaming Weham it's kind a silly, whole league ( minus Dallas ) is static and passive as they wait Davis trade and whole situation with him. Also trading him now is pretty pointless when he is turning into allstar.
btw in their CV will now forever say : Took Orlando in 2018, made first allstar player in 2019. Ofc they won't trade him within next 2 days.


Yeah so basically we're screwed. Yeah I agree.
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Re: Trade Vucevic poll 

Post#67 » by pepe1991 » Tue Feb 5, 2019 3:09 pm

GameOver25 wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
GameOver25 wrote:Question for everyone who wants Vuc to stay.

Do you guys think WeHam have the desire to build with Vuc and build the right way with him? This is not their guy, unfortunately he's a Hennigan leftover. I'd rather cut ties with him now and allow WeHam to build the team they envision. I know we take the risk of them building a crap roster, but it's obvious as of now there's still a mix of old regime player and some new regime players. People are just tired of the old and again given we have a new front office with a different path (of course the evaluation process is tiresome).

I just believe it's time to hit the reset button.


Gordon, Vuc, Evan, Ross ,DJ are also Hennigan guys. they are also 5 best Magic players. By same logic team should trade them all.

I don't really think evaluation is really still in place, it's more of questioning what's best direction to take.

There is zero reason to belive that Isaac + Bamba + another 6-14 pick from 2019 are good peaces for successful playoff roster in future. And in same time, if Vuc is indeed gone, Magic have only Aaron Gordon as player who is actually asset. ( asumming you won't break JI and MB)

In poll of 66 votes in, votes are almost split in half. Most people who want Vuc to stay don't really argue others like i do :lol:

As for Vuc trade and blaming Weham it's kind a silly, whole league ( minus Dallas ) is static and passive as they wait Davis trade and whole situation with him. Also trading him now is pretty pointless when he is turning into allstar.
btw in their CV will now forever say : Took Orlando in 2018, made first allstar player in 2019. Ofc they won't trade him within next 2 days.


Yeah so basically we're screwed. Yeah I agree.
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Yea lol

I mean look ,it's bad however you look at.
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Post#68 » by NotACat » Tue Feb 5, 2019 3:16 pm

GameOver25 wrote:Question for everyone who wants Vuc to stay.

Do you guys think WeHam have the desire to build with Vuc and build the right way with him? This is not their guy, unfortunately he's a Hennigan leftover. I'd rather cut ties with him now and allow WeHam to build the team they envision. I know we take the risk of them building a crap roster, but it's obvious as of now there's still a mix of old regime player and some new regime players. People are just tired of the old and again given we have a new front office with a different path (of course the evaluation process is tiresome).

I just believe it's time to hit the reset button.

I think the reality is that the return for Vuc isn't worth much to us. We can also use Vuc to bridge our roster till Bamba is ready and playoff basketball experience could do a lot for the growth of AG, Isaac, and Bamba (Vuc helps get us there).

I think WeltHam should be comfortable keeping Vuc for up to 3 years if we're able to compete in the playoffs. I think that will have a better impact than tanking again to maybe get to where we are now. There's also the concern that AG could demand a trade if we're not winning soon which would set us back EVEN further.

If we keep the roster we have now and are able to add someone like Eric Bledsoe or Rubio, that'd be huge. Draft day is also big if we're able to get a playmaker like Garland.
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Post#69 » by Popsicle1228 » Tue Feb 5, 2019 4:01 pm

Vuc's situation is a prime example of being stuck between a rock and a hard place. Last year I would have traded him in a heart beat, and it is obvious to me that the FO drafted Bamba with trading Vuc in mind. With Vuc's play this year and being our first All Star since I believe 2012, things have become much more complicated. This is further reflected in a nearly 50/50 split in our pole.

If someone forced me to make a decision, I would say keep him because I think it is prudent to keep the most talented players you have at any given time. However, I can easily see the other side of the argument because Vuc's timeline does not fit the youth movement that would inevitably be part of any rebuild. And many of us agree that this team needs a rebuild.I for one am glad that I am not the one who has to make the final decision. Rock and a hard place.
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Post#70 » by VFX » Tue Feb 5, 2019 4:10 pm

Even if this poll was skewed 70/1 in favor of trading Vuc it wouldn’t mean anything. They will absolutely resign him to a lucrative deal. He just made Allstar, he’s in his prime, and Bamba was just being shopped.

The front office have proven they are cowards and should have traded him last season to save themselves the embarrassment of being put in this situation. They decided not to and here we are. I would be totally shocked if they trade him. True Magic fans should be justifiably upset if they have to watch this iteration of basketball for another 2-3 years.
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Post#71 » by Nemesis21 » Tue Feb 5, 2019 4:14 pm

NotACat wrote:
GameOver25 wrote:Question for everyone who wants Vuc to stay.

Do you guys think WeHam have the desire to build with Vuc and build the right way with him? This is not their guy, unfortunately he's a Hennigan leftover. I'd rather cut ties with him now and allow WeHam to build the team they envision. I know we take the risk of them building a crap roster, but it's obvious as of now there's still a mix of old regime player and some new regime players. People are just tired of the old and again given we have a new front office with a different path (of course the evaluation process is tiresome).

I just believe it's time to hit the reset button.

I think the reality is that the return for Vuc isn't worth much to us. We can also use Vuc to bridge our roster till Bamba is ready and playoff basketball experience could do a lot for the growth of AG, Isaac, and Bamba (Vuc helps get us there).

I think WeltHam should be comfortable keeping Vuc for up to 3 years if we're able to compete in the playoffs. I think that will have a better impact than tanking again to maybe get to where we are now. There's also the concern that AG could demand a trade if we're not winning soon which would set us back EVEN further.

If we keep the roster we have now and are able to add someone like Eric Bledsoe or Rubio, that'd be huge. Draft day is also big if we're able to get a playmaker like Garland.




Are you really talking about competing for the playoffs? Like legitimately competing for the playoffs? Y'all need to realize that this team is SERVERAL YEARS from that. Period. End of story. If you honestly think it will be sooner, something is wrong with you.


Also we have never tanked. Closest we came to actual tanking is the season prior to Oladipo draft class year.
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Post#72 » by NotACat » Tue Feb 5, 2019 4:21 pm

Nemesis21 wrote:
NotACat wrote:
GameOver25 wrote:Question for everyone who wants Vuc to stay.

Do you guys think WeHam have the desire to build with Vuc and build the right way with him? This is not their guy, unfortunately he's a Hennigan leftover. I'd rather cut ties with him now and allow WeHam to build the team they envision. I know we take the risk of them building a crap roster, but it's obvious as of now there's still a mix of old regime player and some new regime players. People are just tired of the old and again given we have a new front office with a different path (of course the evaluation process is tiresome).

I just believe it's time to hit the reset button.

I think the reality is that the return for Vuc isn't worth much to us. We can also use Vuc to bridge our roster till Bamba is ready and playoff basketball experience could do a lot for the growth of AG, Isaac, and Bamba (Vuc helps get us there).

I think WeltHam should be comfortable keeping Vuc for up to 3 years if we're able to compete in the playoffs. I think that will have a better impact than tanking again to maybe get to where we are now. There's also the concern that AG could demand a trade if we're not winning soon which would set us back EVEN further.

If we keep the roster we have now and are able to add someone like Eric Bledsoe or Rubio, that'd be huge. Draft day is also big if we're able to get a playmaker like Garland.




Are you really talking about competing for the playoffs? Like legitimately competing for the playoffs? Y'all need to realize that this team is SERVERAL YEARS from that. Period. End of story. If you honestly think it will be sooner, something is wrong with you.


Also we have never tanked. Closest we came to actual tanking is the season prior to Oladipo draft class year.

I honestly believe if we had someone like Thomas Satoransky as our backup PG for the entire year, we'd easily have the 8th seed. The lack of offense outside of TRoss on our bench lost us quite a few games this year.

Ideally, if we get a starting PG, DJ can be our part of our bench crew and help that unit out.
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Post#73 » by Skin » Tue Feb 5, 2019 4:35 pm

Nemesis21 wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
Skin wrote:I must say... I'm pleasantly surprise and happy that the vote is currently at 19 to 19. I thought there was an overwhelming favoritism to Vuc here. Kudos to the Anti-Vuc Fight Team! MagicMatic, BambaExpress, Martinzisafraud, Furinkazan, Nemesis, jragg! :D


I’m not Anti Vuc the player.. I’m Anti Vuc on this roster/team. Feel like there is a HUGE difference between being a hater and seeing that building around him is pretty difficult for Magic the next 2-3 years.



Agreed.

Same. Good to clarify. I totally think he could win elsewhere, just not here. Would suck to lose him for nothing.
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Post#74 » by OrlandoNed » Tue Feb 5, 2019 5:00 pm

MagicMatic wrote:Even if this poll was skewed 70/1 in favor of trading Vuc it wouldn’t mean anything. They will absolutely resign him to a lucrative deal. He just made Allstar, he’s in his prime, and Bamba was just being shopped.

The front office have proven they are cowards and should have traded him last season to save themselves the embarrassment of being put in this situation. They decided not to and here we are. I would be totally shocked if they trade him. True Magic fans should be justifiably upset if they have to watch this iteration of basketball for another 2-3 years.

I never post to just say "Great post", but this is a great post.

Describing Weltman and Hammond as cowards is so on point. They are worry-wart pencil-pushers and bean-counters who feel safe and cozy under the blanket of mediocrity, too scared to make any kind of decision with a possibility of risk for fear of controversy or blowback. We need a front office with the balls and conviction like Steve Cliffo-, I mean Thanos, to make the hard choices required to stay on the path towards the end goal.
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Post#75 » by OrlandO » Tue Feb 5, 2019 5:19 pm

Skin wrote:
Nemesis21 wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
I’m not Anti Vuc the player.. I’m Anti Vuc on this roster/team. Feel like there is a HUGE difference between being a hater and seeing that building around him is pretty difficult for Magic the next 2-3 years.



Agreed.

Same. Good to clarify. I totally think he could win elsewhere, just not here. Would suck to lose him for nothing.

Skin trying to pretend he's not a Vuc hater... :lol:
You are so full of crap. You can't play that card after spending years crapping on him every way possible and saying you'd be thrilled to trade him for nothing.
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Post#76 » by Knightro » Tue Feb 5, 2019 5:25 pm

Xatticus wrote:Those are statistics. His metrics have been declining.

Vucevic's eFG% at the end of each month:
Oct: .608
Nov: .590
Dec: .565
Jan: .555

His eFG% up to Dec. 1: .590
His eFG% since Dec. 1: .530

Vucevic's TS% at the end of each month:
Oct: .639
Nov: .620
Dec: .590
Jan: .572

His TS% up to Dec. 1: .620
His TS% since Dec. 1: .537
Vucevic's career TS%: .533
League average TS%: .558
Orlando Magic TS%: .540
Fournier's TS% since Dec. 1: .547

He hasn't been particularly efficient since the first couple months of the season, but his season statistics are still buoyed by those first couple months. There is no doubt that his efficiency metrics are regressing towards the mean. The important question regards what that mean is. If the new mean is the same as the old mean, an extension would quickly become a huge problem.


You’re being a little disingenuous with the numbers.

1. You said Vucevic’s metrics have steadily declined. This isn’t accurate.
2. You said Vucevic’s metrics have declined because he’s taking more midrange jumpers. This isn’t accurate
3. You said Vucevic hasn’t been particularly efficient since the first two months. This isn’t accurate.

Vucevic EFG% by month
Oct: .608
Nov: .585
Dec: .518
Jan: .538

Vucevic TS% by month
Oct: .639
Nov: .613
Dec: .535
Jan: .554

Vucevic Career Marks
EFG%: .513
TS%: .533

So as you can see, Vucevic had 1.5 great months in Oct and Nov, then had a “bad” month in December and then bounced back with a very good January.

October is only a 7 game month, so we can’t consider that a full month since most teams play 15-16 games in a normal month. I also put “bad” in quotes for December because it was actually right in line with his career numbers.

It’s unfair to say Vucevic’s numbers have steadily declined considering January was better than December and what he did in January was more efficient than his career numbers. Beyond that, I think it’s worth noting that he did suffer that sprained ankle in December, missed a game and then had three pretty poor games in a row coming off the injury.

Let’s look at Vuc’s shooting zones by month.

October
13.3 FGA per game
38.3% of shots at the rim: 5.1 per game at .750%
22.6% of shots in the paint: 3.0 per game at .429%
27.0% of shots from midrange: 3.6 per game at .400%
12.0% of shots from 3PT: 1.6 per game at .636%
2.9 FT per game at .850%

November
16.5 FGA per game
29.1% of shots at the rim: 4.8 per game at .750%
30.0% of shots in the paint: 4.9 per game at .468%
20.1% of shots from midrange: 3.4 per game at .564%
20.1% of shots from 3PT: 3.4 per game at .364%
3.1 FT per game at .840%

December
16.4 FGA per game
29.9% of shots at the rim: 4.9 per game at .610%
29.9% of shots in the paint: 4.9 per game at .492%
20.1% of shots from midrange: 3.3 per game at .450%
20.1% of shots from 3PT: 3.3 per game at .325%
2.7 FT per game at .688%

January
18.4 FGA per game
31.5% of shots at the rim: 5.8 per game at .685%
31.0% of shots in the paint: 5.7 per game at .462%
20.1% of shots from midrange: 3.8 per game at .400%
16.8% of shots from 3PT: 3.1 per game at .380%
2.5 FT per game at .725%

Career
At Rim: .656%
In Paint: .471%
Midrange: .433%

3PT: .332%

FT: .735%

So as you can see Vuc’s number of midrange attempts were actually the lowest they’ve been all season in December which was his least efficient month of the season.

So what caused the big drop in efficiency in December?

Right off the bat it’s very noticeable that Vucevic only shot 61% at the rim in December. This is lower than his career mark of .656% and significantly lower than the low 70%s marks he’s put up the last two years. This was pretty obviously an unsustainable negative blip that could be attributed to small sample size noise and possibly also to the ankle injury. Vucevic immediately jumped back up to a much better 69% at the rim in January.

Another area where Vucevic noticeably dipped that has nothing to do with his shot selection is his FT%.

After shooting 85% in October and 84% in November, he slumped down to just 69% in December and 72% in January. That 16% drop in FT% from Oct/Nov to Dec led to a nearly 3% drop in his TS%. Again, this has literally nothing to do with shot selection. He simply bricked more free throws than he did earlier in the year and more than he normally has the previous three seasons.

He actually shot even more shots at the rim and in the paint in January than he did in those first 1.5 hot months, the issue primarily is that he’s missing a lot more FTs and he isn’t finishing quite as well as he’s shown to be capable of the last two years.

His overall percentage of midrange shots has been completely static for 3 months. The perception is that he’s taking more because he took fewer threes in January, but the amount of midrange was the exact same as his hot months.
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Post#77 » by Bergmaniac » Tue Feb 5, 2019 5:26 pm

OrlandoNed wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:Even if this poll was skewed 70/1 in favor of trading Vuc it wouldn’t mean anything. They will absolutely resign him to a lucrative deal. He just made Allstar, he’s in his prime, and Bamba was just being shopped.

The front office have proven they are cowards and should have traded him last season to save themselves the embarrassment of being put in this situation. They decided not to and here we are. I would be totally shocked if they trade him. True Magic fans should be justifiably upset if they have to watch this iteration of basketball for another 2-3 years.

I never post to just say "Great post", but this is a great post.

Describing Weltman and Hammond as cowards is so on point. They are worry-wart pencil-pushers and bean-counters who feel safe and cozy under the blanket of mediocrity, too scared to make any kind of decision with a possibility of risk for fear of controversy or blowback. We need a front office with the balls and conviction like Steve Cliffo-, I mean Thanos, to make the hard choices required to stay on the path towards the end goal.

Weltman and Hammond are most likely doing exactly what the owners and Alex Martins want, which is their job.
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Post#78 » by pinoynurse » Tue Feb 5, 2019 5:46 pm

philly traded MCW after he won rookie of the year.

PR doesnt really care about it now do they?
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Re: Trade Vucevic poll 

Post#79 » by OrlandoNed » Tue Feb 5, 2019 5:56 pm

Bergmaniac wrote:
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MagicMatic wrote:Even if this poll was skewed 70/1 in favor of trading Vuc it wouldn’t mean anything. They will absolutely resign him to a lucrative deal. He just made Allstar, he’s in his prime, and Bamba was just being shopped.

The front office have proven they are cowards and should have traded him last season to save themselves the embarrassment of being put in this situation. They decided not to and here we are. I would be totally shocked if they trade him. True Magic fans should be justifiably upset if they have to watch this iteration of basketball for another 2-3 years.

I never post to just say "Great post", but this is a great post.

Describing Weltman and Hammond as cowards is so on point. They are worry-wart pencil-pushers and bean-counters who feel safe and cozy under the blanket of mediocrity, too scared to make any kind of decision with a possibility of risk for fear of controversy or blowback. We need a front office with the balls and conviction like Steve Cliffo-, I mean Thanos, to make the hard choices required to stay on the path towards the end goal.

Weltman and Hammond are most likely doing exactly what the owners and Alex Martins want, which is their job.

Ownership must not want championships then.
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Re: Trade Vucevic poll 

Post#80 » by VFX » Tue Feb 5, 2019 6:01 pm

OrlandoNed wrote:
Bergmaniac wrote:
OrlandoNed wrote:I never post to just say "Great post", but this is a great post.

Describing Weltman and Hammond as cowards is so on point. They are worry-wart pencil-pushers and bean-counters who feel safe and cozy under the blanket of mediocrity, too scared to make any kind of decision with a possibility of risk for fear of controversy or blowback. We need a front office with the balls and conviction like Steve Cliffo-, I mean Thanos, to make the hard choices required to stay on the path towards the end goal.

Weltman and Hammond are most likely doing exactly what the owners and Alex Martins want, which is their job.

Ownership must not want championships then.


Correct. WeHams “job” is to put Orlando in the best situation for a championship. Just because ownership wants to win now doesn’t mean it puts Orlando in the best position to succeed. If they decide that merely making the playoffs is the goal, they are either bad at their jobs or puppets. Pick one.

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