2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (III)

[E-Balla]

I also begin to understand why the choice of Bagley instead of Doncic (which I consider a superior player) but having focused on Fox and Hield was the only possible choice for Vlade... kudos to him

Nah that's BS IMHO
If you want to see how Luka could have fit with Fox go watch on youtube how nicely he fit with Dragic when they won it all with Slovenia. Dragic had a crazy usage, he was pretty much taking half his team's shots and had the ball in his hands all the time, and yet Luka was finding ways to be productive and complementary off ball and then he was playing PG when Dragic had to sit. And that was in 40 mins games too. They had amazing chemistry together and always getting touches for each other because great players always eventually figure it out.

That my ball - your ball mentality is usually a failure anyway.

I still don't know WTF got into Divac and decided to pass on Doncic but this "can't play with Fox" idea makes no sense whatsoever.

Ever heard of defense? Who out of Luka, Fox, and Buddy would guard the other team's best perimeter player?

Uhh... Fox is a damn hound on defense. I mean his nickname is Swipa The Fox.

[nolang1]

Nah that's BS IMHO
If you want to see how Luka could have fit with Fox go watch on youtube how nicely he fit with Dragic when they won it all with Slovenia. Dragic had a crazy usage, he was pretty much taking half his team's shots and had the ball in his hands all the time, and yet Luka was finding ways to be productive and complementary off ball and then he was playing PG when Dragic had to sit. And that was in 40 mins games too. They had amazing chemistry together and always getting touches for each other because great players always eventually figure it out.

That my ball - your ball mentality is usually a failure anyway.

I still don't know WTF got into Divac and decided to pass on Doncic but this "can't play with Fox" idea makes no sense whatsoever.

Ever heard of defense? Who out of Luka, Fox, and Buddy would guard the other team's best perimeter player?

Uhh... Fox is a damn hound on defense. I mean his nickname is Swipa The Fox.

He has trouble with anyone who's bigger than the average point guard. Harden, D'Angelo Russell, Oladipo types of players, and then against the bigger wings he'd be even less help.

[kb02]

Ever heard of defense? Who out of Luka, Fox, and Buddy would guard the other team's best perimeter player?

Uhh... Fox is a damn hound on defense. I mean his nickname is Swipa The Fox.

He has trouble with anyone who's bigger than the average point guard. Harden, D'Angelo Russell, Oladipo types of players, and then against the bigger wings he'd be even less help.

You’re off. He struggles against the short stocky types. Guys like Mitchell n Eric Bledsoe. The longer types, he’s fine.

[Duke4life831]

I cant blame Sac for the Bagley pick. They already felt like they were set at the PG and SG spot, I also get not wanting to get another guy that is at his best with the ball in his hands, we have no clue what that couldve done to Fox's development. They couldve worked or it couldve met Sac would be on the trade market looking to shop Fox right now.

Bagley looks like a true superstar in the making, is he on Luka's level right now? No. Do I think Luka probably ends up the better player? Ya, but we have no clue at the moment. Right out of the gate Bagley is pretty much a 20/10 with a block and a half on 52% shooting per 36. He is also a perfect fit to go alongside Fox as well. It looks like both guys have a great chance at bringing out the best of both players.

To me the scary part about Bagley is just how good he can be. You rarely saw mid range face up jumpers when he was at Duke. Since his return from injury, he has become a face up nightmare. That dude faces up from about 16-18ft out and the defender is screwed. He can just pull up and knock down the jumper, or if the guy plays him to close, he has elite quickness for the position and just blows by his guy. He is also finishing at the rim at an elite clip. You can also see the potential and flashes with that 3pt shot. Once he tightens up that handle and 3pt shot, seriously watch out. Defensively he isnt even close to as bad as many thought he would be. The dude played some damn good defense on Rudy Gay last night, he is a solid rim protector to boot as well. Ya he makes bad rookie mistakes, but you can also see the defensive potential with him as well.

[King Ken]

This is a great top five draft class. I like in this order Luka, Trae, Ayton, Bagley, JJJ. Trae and Ayton could be ROY in a different draft class; and flip flop them here at 2 and 3 if you like. Trae is trending up but no one is catching Luka. I am not impressed with Aytons D for such a large body; but there is no denying his flashes of dominance this year. Bagley is moving up but he needs to keep taking on a bigger load like my top three have. JJJ is the weakest but he also the youngest. Plenty of time to grow.

This class is going to be compared with each other for years to come. Being a Hawks homer I have to mention two who are not in the ROY conversation but may be talked about as steals. SG/SF Kevin Huerter, 19, 5 and 4, along with 5 treys last night and PF/C Omari Spellman 16, 10 and 4 treys last night.

I am a happy camper that we were able to draft so many players last season. I can only hope this next draft class turns out to be as full of promise.

I am nowhere close to being sold on JJJ but 4 out of 5 potential stars is crazy. Maybe even a superstar or two in the mix.

[King Ken]

I cant blame Sac for the Bagley pick. They already felt like they were set at the PG and SG spot, I also get not wanting to get another guy that is at his best with the ball in his hands, we have no clue what that couldve done to Fox's development. They couldve worked or it couldve met Sac would be on the trade market looking to shop Fox right now.

Bagley looks like a true superstar in the making, is he on Luka's level right now? No. Do I think Luka probably ends up the better player? Ya, but we have no clue at the moment. Right out of the gate Bagley is pretty much a 20/10 with a block and a half on 52% shooting per 36. He is also a perfect fit to go alongside Fox as well. It looks like both guys have a great chance at bringing out the best of both players.

To me the scary part about Bagley is just how good he can be. You rarely saw mid range face up jumpers when he was at Duke. Since his return from injury, he has become a face up nightmare. That dude faces up from about 16-18ft out and the defender is screwed. He can just pull up and knock down the jumper, or if the guy plays him to close, he has elite quickness for the position and just blows by his guy. He is also finishing at the rim at an elite clip. You can also see the potential and flashes with that 3pt shot. Once he tightens up that handle and 3pt shot, seriously watch out. Defensively he isnt even close to as bad as many thought he would be. The dude played some damn good defense on Rudy Gay last night, he is a solid rim protector to boot as well. Ya he makes bad rookie mistakes, but you can also see the defensive potential with him as well.

I think he will be better than Doncic when it's all said and done.

[916fan]

I cant blame Sac for the Bagley pick. They already felt like they were set at the PG and SG spot, I also get not wanting to get another guy that is at his best with the ball in his hands, we have no clue what that couldve done to Fox's development. They couldve worked or it couldve met Sac would be on the trade market looking to shop Fox right now.

Bagley looks like a true superstar in the making, is he on Luka's level right now? No. Do I think Luka probably ends up the better player? Ya, but we have no clue at the moment. Right out of the gate Bagley is pretty much a 20/10 with a block and a half on 52% shooting per 36. He is also a perfect fit to go alongside Fox as well. It looks like both guys have a great chance at bringing out the best of both players.

To me the scary part about Bagley is just how good he can be. You rarely saw mid range face up jumpers when he was at Duke. Since his return from injury, he has become a face up nightmare. That dude faces up from about 16-18ft out and the defender is screwed. He can just pull up and knock down the jumper, or if the guy plays him to close, he has elite quickness for the position and just blows by his guy. He is also finishing at the rim at an elite clip. You can also see the potential and flashes with that 3pt shot. Once he tightens up that handle and 3pt shot, seriously watch out. Defensively he isnt even close to as bad as many thought he would be. The dude played some damn good defense on Rudy Gay last night, he is a solid rim protector to boot as well. Ya he makes bad rookie mistakes, but you can also see the defensive potential with him as well.

Luka will always be brought up among Kings fans. He was the unanimous fan favorite and everyone had him pegged to the Kings. I was very upset during the draft. Not because we drafted Bagley(I was high on him too), but the fact that we passed up on Doncic. However, I can tell you that everyone in Sacramento is extremely excited about where Bagely's development goes, but things haven't been easy for us this season despite having our best record in over a decade past the mid-way point... and it all revolved around Bagley. Assistant GM wanting to fire Dave Joerger for not playing Bagley enough. Bagley's dad constantly chirping on about Bagley not playing enough minutes. Bagley posting a very cryptic instagram caption with coach K taking shots at Coach Joerger after a loss.
So you can really see why frustration has built up among fans, especially when you see Doncic putting up the numbers he does.

Bagley is just loaded with talent though. There's some games I watch and think that he played a horrible game, but he'll still end up with a near double-double. Now just imagine him when he plays a good game.. you'll get 24pts 12rebs like this game.

[agentofatlas]

I cant blame Sac for the Bagley pick. They already felt like they were set at the PG and SG spot, I also get not wanting to get another guy that is at his best with the ball in his hands, we have no clue what that couldve done to Fox's development. They couldve worked or it couldve met Sac would be on the trade market looking to shop Fox right now.

Bagley looks like a true superstar in the making, is he on Luka's level right now? No. Do I think Luka probably ends up the better player? Ya, but we have no clue at the moment. Right out of the gate Bagley is pretty much a 20/10 with a block and a half on 52% shooting per 36. He is also a perfect fit to go alongside Fox as well. It looks like both guys have a great chance at bringing out the best of both players.

To me the scary part about Bagley is just how good he can be. You rarely saw mid range face up jumpers when he was at Duke. Since his return from injury, he has become a face up nightmare. That dude faces up from about 16-18ft out and the defender is screwed. He can just pull up and knock down the jumper, or if the guy plays him to close, he has elite quickness for the position and just blows by his guy. He is also finishing at the rim at an elite clip. You can also see the potential and flashes with that 3pt shot. Once he tightens up that handle and 3pt shot, seriously watch out. Defensively he isnt even close to as bad as many thought he would be. The dude played some damn good defense on Rudy Gay last night, he is a solid rim protector to boot as well. Ya he makes bad rookie mistakes, but you can also see the defensive potential with him as well.

I think he will be better than Doncic when it's all said and done.

C'mon man. You think every rookie will be better than Doncic in the long run lol.

[King Ken]

I cant blame Sac for the Bagley pick. They already felt like they were set at the PG and SG spot, I also get not wanting to get another guy that is at his best with the ball in his hands, we have no clue what that couldve done to Fox's development. They couldve worked or it couldve met Sac would be on the trade market looking to shop Fox right now.

Bagley looks like a true superstar in the making, is he on Luka's level right now? No. Do I think Luka probably ends up the better player? Ya, but we have no clue at the moment. Right out of the gate Bagley is pretty much a 20/10 with a block and a half on 52% shooting per 36. He is also a perfect fit to go alongside Fox as well. It looks like both guys have a great chance at bringing out the best of both players.

To me the scary part about Bagley is just how good he can be. You rarely saw mid range face up jumpers when he was at Duke. Since his return from injury, he has become a face up nightmare. That dude faces up from about 16-18ft out and the defender is screwed. He can just pull up and knock down the jumper, or if the guy plays him to close, he has elite quickness for the position and just blows by his guy. He is also finishing at the rim at an elite clip. You can also see the potential and flashes with that 3pt shot. Once he tightens up that handle and 3pt shot, seriously watch out. Defensively he isnt even close to as bad as many thought he would be. The dude played some damn good defense on Rudy Gay last night, he is a solid rim protector to boot as well. Ya he makes bad rookie mistakes, but you can also see the defensive potential with him as well.

I think he will be better than Doncic when it's all said and done.

C'mon man. You think every rookie will be better than Doncic in the long run lol.

Bagley was my #1 player on my board. I been saying he was the best prospect long term. Me and D4L had him at #1.
Only rookies I think will be better Trae and Ayton.

Doncic has always been #4-#5 long term and #1 short term.

Since some of the moves Dallas and others have made. I am starting to put Doncic over Ayton unless PHX can solve their PG woes long term.

I don't like Doncic long term like that and never will. I will always never be a fan of bigger PG's who aren't Magic Johnson. My ideal big PG is LeBron. Someone who is elite on board sides of the court and athletic superior to everyone. But I am not the biggest fan of Simmons or Doncic. Never have been. Never will be.

That said, I like him to be a superstar a lot more right now than I did a week ago. I like the pairing of him and KP. I think that's going to make them an offensive juggernaut in time once they start adding fits around the pair.

[916fan]

Is anyone else out there still unimpressed with Mo Bamba? I think he can still be a good C, but he's just such a big project. I guess when you have the #6 pick you can't get too picky, but he's a raw defensive big man.

[nolang1]

Uhh... Fox is a damn hound on defense. I mean his nickname is Swipa The Fox.

He has trouble with anyone who's bigger than the average point guard. Harden, D'Angelo Russell, Oladipo types of players, and then against the bigger wings he'd be even less help.

You’re off. He struggles against the short stocky types. Guys like Mitchell n Eric Bledsoe. The longer types, he’s fine.

Point being he is not very strong and his defensive value is limited by not being able to switch onto bigger players.

[King Ken]

He has trouble with anyone who's bigger than the average point guard. Harden, D'Angelo Russell, Oladipo types of players, and then against the bigger wings he'd be even less help.

You’re off. He struggles against the short stocky types. Guys like Mitchell n Eric Bledsoe. The longer types, he’s fine.

Point being he is not very strong and his defensive value is limited by not being able to switch onto bigger players.

I can see that to a degree. I do believe he is much better when his bigs can cover as much responsibility as Bagley and Giles can cover when locked in.

I don't see Fox struggling in the playoffs. I see his production staying about the same. He doesn't have major flaws.

[Duke4life831]

Is anyone else out there still unimpressed with Mo Bamba? I think he can still be a good C, but he's just such a big project. I guess when you have the #6 pick you can't get too picky, but he's a raw defensive big man.

I wouldnt be worried yet if I was a Magic fan. Gobert was a year older and even worse as a rookie. Not surprising when bigs take a little longer to develop, especially someone as long and skinny as Bamba. Im still going to give him some time to adjust to the speed and strength of the game.

[King Ken]

Is anyone else out there still unimpressed with Mo Bamba? I think he can still be a good C, but he's just such a big project. I guess when you have the #6 pick you can't get too picky, but he's a raw defensive big man.

Orlando is a terrible situation for him. They really can't play to his strengths, it goes against the strengths of their personnel.

Is anyone else out there still unimpressed with Mo Bamba? I think he can still be a good C, but he's just such a big project. I guess when you have the #6 pick you can't get too picky, but he's a raw defensive big man.

I wouldnt be worried yet if I was a Magic fan. Gobert was a year older and even worse as a rookie. Not surprising when bigs take a little longer to develop, especially someone as long and skinny as Bamba. Im still going to give him some time to adjust to the speed and strength of the game.

As someone who had Bamba extremely high on his board, Bamba biggest issue is, physical development. Can he develop physically the way Rudy did? We have to remember, Rudy grew in HS. Bamba been tall forever. Maybe it's not there. Gobert also had the Tyson Chandler frame which is bad for basketball skills but great for running distance and tremendous for being a screen setting big who defends. Bamba is moreso built like Thabeet. While Bamba is a lot faster, the issue with Bamba is his speed in spurts is top notch but his game speed consistently is really poor. While Bamba has skill and a lot of talent, he also doesn't have core strength and he is not an instinctive player. That said, Bamba still has the same talent and ability which got him looked at as the next unicorn but maybe just maybe, his doubters are right about his flaws being too great like Jah Okafor's.

It's hard to say, you kinda have to build around him, an attempt Orlando hasn't made yet. Orlando's refusal to built around guys strengths is really why they haven't benefited from their tremendous drafting over the last 8 years.

[agentofatlas]

I think he will be better than Doncic when it's all said and done.

C'mon man. You think every rookie will be better than Doncic in the long run lol.

Bagley was my #1 player on my board. I been saying he was the best prospect long term. Me and D4L had him at #1.
Only rookies I think will be better Trae and Ayton.

Doncic has always been #4-#5 long term and #1 short term.

Since some of the moves Dallas and others have made. I am starting to put Doncic over Ayton unless PHX can solve their PG woes long term.

I don't like Doncic long term like that and never will. I will always never be a fan of bigger PG's who aren't Magic Johnson. My ideal big PG is LeBron. Someone who is elite on board sides of the court and athletic superior to everyone. But I am not the biggest fan of Simmons or Doncic. Never have been. Never will be.

That said, I like him to be a superstar a lot more right now than I did a week ago. I like the pairing of him and KP. I think that's going to make them an offensive juggernaut in time once they start adding fits around the pair.

So you're just sticking to draft scouting. Good enough. Personally had Bagely number 2 while Doncic number 1.

I will always favor multi position high level playmakers who can pull up volume 3s over anything.

[kb02]

He has trouble with anyone who's bigger than the average point guard. Harden, D'Angelo Russell, Oladipo types of players, and then against the bigger wings he'd be even less help.

You’re off. He struggles against the short stocky types. Guys like Mitchell n Eric Bledsoe. The longer types, he’s fine.

Point being he is not very strong and his defensive value is limited by not being able to switch onto bigger players.

Fox switched onto Doncic in the 2h when they were in Dallas and gave Doncic fits. He often switches to the other team's hot hand. Size be damned. Longer players, outside of the KD types, are not an issue. He can guard Russell and Oladipo, but the opposing team will use a screen to get Fox off of them. He can't guard Harden (who can?) nor Bledsoe. Bledose uses his lower center of gravity, drives his shoulder into Fox, and has consistently created space.

So, yes, Fox is not perfect. But your analysis that his issues are mostly with larger guards/wings is off. It's the shorter, stockier types that he's had problems with (mainly because of what I just described above with Bledsoe).

[King Ken]

C'mon man. You think every rookie will be better than Doncic in the long run lol.

Bagley was my #1 player on my board. I been saying he was the best prospect long term. Me and D4L had him at #1.
Only rookies I think will be better Trae and Ayton.

Doncic has always been #4-#5 long term and #1 short term.

Since some of the moves Dallas and others have made. I am starting to put Doncic over Ayton unless PHX can solve their PG woes long term.

I don't like Doncic long term like that and never will. I will always never be a fan of bigger PG's who aren't Magic Johnson. My ideal big PG is LeBron. Someone who is elite on board sides of the court and athletic superior to everyone. But I am not the biggest fan of Simmons or Doncic. Never have been. Never will be.

That said, I like him to be a superstar a lot more right now than I did a week ago. I like the pairing of him and KP. I think that's going to make them an offensive juggernaut in time once they start adding fits around the pair.

So you're just sticking to draft scouting. Good enough. Personally had Bagely number 2 while Doncic number 1.

I will always favor multi position high level playmakers who can pull up volume 3s over anything.

I can see why. Luka was the most polished, ready and skilled to make an impact ASAP. I had him as the most NBA ready player to have entered the NBA draft. Since, I was wrong. He is BY FAR the most NBA ready player to enter the draft.

While I like him more long term as a PG and see it finally being possible, I have pushed him up as recently as a couple days ago.

I still think him and Trae will be a heck of a battle for who's better but I wouldn't count out either. Both are going to be great and they are already tremendous impact players right now.

Bagley to me was the best. No flaws. Elite athlete. Elite motor. No flaws to stop him from developing. I seen him as a big man's version of Giannis. I still see Giannis as a forward who really doesn't have an offensive position. Bagley in the long run won't either. Bagley has even better tools defensively than Giannis. Bagley is just the player who will be the best once well coached and developed and it seems like SAC is doing just that.

I had my doubts with Ayton but shut a lot of it down already. He will be elite, just needs a real f****ng PG.

You’re off. He struggles against the short stocky types. Guys like Mitchell n Eric Bledsoe. The longer types, he’s fine.

Point being he is not very strong and his defensive value is limited by not being able to switch onto bigger players.

Fox switched onto Doncic in the 2h when they were in Dallas and gave Doncic fits. He often switches to the other team's hot hand. Size be damned. Longer players, outside of the KD types, are not an issue. He can guard Russell and Oladipo, but the opposing team will use a screen to get Fox off of them. He can't guard Harden (who can?) nor Bledsoe. Bledose uses his lower center of gravity, drives his shoulder into Fox, and has consistently created space.

So, yes, Fox is not perfect. But your analysis that his issues are mostly with larger guards/wings is off. It's the shorter, stockier types that he's had problems with (mainly because of what I just described above with Bledsoe).

Bledsoe is also a nightmare for Trae. I think the real nightmare is them having both Bledsoe and Brogdon.

What gets Trae isn't what's in front of him outside of v. MIL, it's who is on the wings crashing down on his dribble drives but I am finally seeing him learn that you just need to create when wings do that and it's open three galore for your teammates.

[Mephariel]

Is anyone else out there still unimpressed with Mo Bamba? I think he can still be a good C, but he's just such a big project. I guess when you have the #6 pick you can't get too picky, but he's a raw defensive big man.

Orlando is a terrible situation for him. They really can't play to his strengths, it goes against the strengths of their personnel.

Is anyone else out there still unimpressed with Mo Bamba? I think he can still be a good C, but he's just such a big project. I guess when you have the #6 pick you can't get too picky, but he's a raw defensive big man.

I wouldnt be worried yet if I was a Magic fan. Gobert was a year older and even worse as a rookie. Not surprising when bigs take a little longer to develop, especially someone as long and skinny as Bamba. Im still going to give him some time to adjust to the speed and strength of the game.

As someone who had Bamba extremely high on his board, Bamba biggest issue is, physical development. Can he develop physically the way Rudy did. We have to remember, Rudy grew in HS. Bamba been tall forever. Maybe it's not there. Gobert also had the Tyson Chandler frame which is bad for basketball skills but great for running distance but tremendous for being a screen setting big who defends. Bamba is moreso built like Thabeet. While Bamba is a lot faster, the issue with Bamba is his speed in spurts is top notch but his game speed consistently is really poor. While Bamba has skill and a lot of talent, he also doesn't have core strength and he is instinctive player. That said, Bamba still has the same talent and ability which got him looked at as the next unicorn but maybe just maybe, his doubters are right about his flaws being too great like Jah Okafor's.

It's hard to say, you kinda have to build around him, an attempt Orlando hasn't made yet. Orlando's refusal to built around guys strengths is really why they haven't benefited from their tremendous drafting over the last 8 years.

I don't know if it is even his physical development that worries me. I think it is more of his lack of alpha mentality. He never had that in any level of basketball and I am not convinced he will in the future.

[King Ken]

Is anyone else out there still unimpressed with Mo Bamba? I think he can still be a good C, but he's just such a big project. I guess when you have the #6 pick you can't get too picky, but he's a raw defensive big man.

Orlando is a terrible situation for him. They really can't play to his strengths, it goes against the strengths of their personnel.

I wouldnt be worried yet if I was a Magic fan. Gobert was a year older and even worse as a rookie. Not surprising when bigs take a little longer to develop, especially someone as long and skinny as Bamba. Im still going to give him some time to adjust to the speed and strength of the game.

As someone who had Bamba extremely high on his board, Bamba biggest issue is, physical development. Can he develop physically the way Rudy did. We have to remember, Rudy grew in HS. Bamba been tall forever. Maybe it's not there. Gobert also had the Tyson Chandler frame which is bad for basketball skills but great for running distance but tremendous for being a screen setting big who defends. Bamba is moreso built like Thabeet. While Bamba is a lot faster, the issue with Bamba is his speed in spurts is top notch but his game speed consistently is really poor. While Bamba has skill and a lot of talent, he also doesn't have core strength and he is instinctive player. That said, Bamba still has the same talent and ability which got him looked at as the next unicorn but maybe just maybe, his doubters are right about his flaws being too great like Jah Okafor's.

It's hard to say, you kinda have to build around him, an attempt Orlando hasn't made yet. Orlando's refusal to built around guys strengths is really why they haven't benefited from their tremendous drafting over the last 8 years.

I don't know if it is even his physical development that worries me. I think it is more of his lack of alpha mentality. He never had that in any level of basketball and I am not convinced he will in the future.

You don't have to be an alpha at the 5. You just need to be able to play a role. The 5 is the most role based position with the most versatility as well. Depending on how you play and use your 5, he can be good or bad

[agentofatlas]

Bagley was my #1 player on my board. I been saying he was the best prospect long term. Me and D4L had him at #1.
Only rookies I think will be better Trae and Ayton.

Doncic has always been #4-#5 long term and #1 short term.

Since some of the moves Dallas and others have made. I am starting to put Doncic over Ayton unless PHX can solve their PG woes long term.

I don't like Doncic long term like that and never will. I will always never be a fan of bigger PG's who aren't Magic Johnson. My ideal big PG is LeBron. Someone who is elite on board sides of the court and athletic superior to everyone. But I am not the biggest fan of Simmons or Doncic. Never have been. Never will be.

That said, I like him to be a superstar a lot more right now than I did a week ago. I like the pairing of him and KP. I think that's going to make them an offensive juggernaut in time once they start adding fits around the pair.

So you're just sticking to draft scouting. Good enough. Personally had Bagely number 2 while Doncic number 1.

I will always favor multi position high level playmakers who can pull up volume 3s over anything.

I can see why. Luka was the most polished, ready and skilled to make an impact ASAP. I had him as the most NBA ready player to have entered the NBA draft. Since, I was wrong. He is BY FAR the most NBA ready player to enter the draft.

While I like him more long term as a PG and see it finally being possible, I have pushed him up as recently as a couple days ago.

I still think him and Trae will be a heck of a battle for who's better but I wouldn't count out either. Both are going to be great and they are already tremendous impact players right now.

Bagley to me was the best. No flaws. Elite athlete. Elite motor. No flaws to stop him from developing. I seen him as a big man's version of Giannis. I still see Giannis as a forward who really doesn't have an offensive position. Bagley in the long run won't either. Bagley has even better tools defensively than Giannis. Bagley is just the player who will be the best once well coached and developed and it seems like SAC is doing just that.

I had my doubts with Ayton but shut a lot of it down already. He will be elite, just needs a real f****ng PG.

I'm sorry I just don't see Giannis in Bagely. Giannis has better handles (even as a rookie), better feel in terms playmaking and just overall bigger. I can definitely see the Bosh comparisons though.